New Draft Order.....

ScottBalot · 12-26-2005, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by SEmerone

I WOULD LOVE THAT NUMBER ONE PICk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trade it for # 3 or #4 and draft AJ HAWK and more picks!!!!!!

The fundamental problem with trading down for more picks is the fact that the Saints have Mickey Loomis still pulling the trigger on how they use the picks. Now he's done a fairly decent job in the first round (with the possible exception of Sullivan, which is debatable). There is only one team that has two first round picks this year (Denver), and they don't need a running back or a quarterback, so now you are looking at something like some teams first and second this year, and a pick next year. What has Loomis done in the second round? He's drafted backups and projects while consistenly passing up better talent year after year. I say if they get lucky and get the first pick in the draft, I hope they keep it and use it. That way, they are almost forced by peer pressure to take someone worth drafting.

Winwin · 12-26-2005, 02:31 PM

but I'm talking about actually using their first round pick on draft day for a franchise quarterback. You build the offense around Leinart and a running game. Don't ask Leinhart to carry the offense on his back, instead ask him to manage it.

i would like to share my input on your comments, if you are just going to get a qb, to simply manage the offense and not having to rely on him to carry the team. we might as well keep the moron we have on the bench now. he's been asked to carry this team for his entire time, and he can't do it. now you want to get the so-called franchised qb in leinart pay the 14 million in guaranteed money, and then say don't depend on him to carry the team?

ScottBalot · 12-26-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Winwin

but I'm talking about actually using their first round pick on draft day for a franchise quarterback. You build the offense around Leinart and a running game. Don't ask Leinhart to carry the offense on his back, instead ask him to manage it.

i would like to share my input on your comments, if you are just going to get a qb, to simply manage the offense and not having to rely on him to carry the team. we might as well keep the moron we have on the bench now. he's been asked to carry this team for his entire time, and he can't do it. now you want to get the so-called franchised qb in leinart pay the 14 million in guaranteed money, and then say don't depend on him to carry the team?

First, I don't think you ever put a rookie quarterback in a position to carry the offense, franchise-type or not. Second, the "moron" that we have on the bench needs to learn how to step up in the pocket, read defenses, make quick decisions, and be a better leader before he can manage a game, much less carry an offense. I believe that Leinart has the ability to do those things, so yes, I would pay him 14 million to do the things that the "moron" couldn't accomplish in the past six years. Third, it's pretty obvious to me that it takes more than someone who can hand the ball off, and make a few passes here and there in order to be an EFFECTIVE game manager. I've heard and read that Leinart is a "system" quarterback, that he's a product of being surrounded by so much talent. Well, Brooks is supposedly "surrounded" with talent, yet he can't seem to get the "talent" to perform until they are down by two touchdowns. My point being is that you have to have the ability to use the talent around you to the best of your abilities to win the game. I don't think that Matt Leinart will ever tell his head coach that he refuses to throw a hail mary right before halftime because it may hurt his stats. It's a frame of mind thing, it's the "it" factor. Like it or not, Leinart has "it." And as a Saints' fan, I wouldn't have one problem paying 14 million for "it"

Winwin · 12-26-2005, 03:11 PM

First, I don't think you ever put a rookie quarterback in a position to carry the offense, franchise-type or not. Second, the "moron" that we have on the bench needs to learn how to step up in the pocket, read defenses, make quick decisions, and be a better leader before he can manage a game, much less carry an offense.

if you are giving a 14 million dollar signing bonus to someone that means, "rookie" are not if he has "it" then he will be able to show "it" from day 1. like peyton manning. no excuses, win are get ridiculed just like the other moron. no excuses about dropped passes, porous defense just win period.

Winwin · 12-26-2005, 03:13 PM

I don't think that Matt Leinart will ever tell his head coach that he refuses to throw a hail mary right before halftime because it may hurt his stats.

where did you hear that someone told haslett this, i'd like to know so i can print and post this everywhere.

ScottBalot · 12-26-2005, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Winwin

First, I don't think you ever put a rookie quarterback in a position to carry the offense, franchise-type or not. Second, the "moron" that we have on the bench needs to learn how to step up in the pocket, read defenses, make quick decisions, and be a better leader before he can manage a game, much less carry an offense.

if you are giving a 14 million dollar signing bonus to someone that means, "rookie" are not if he has "it" then he will be able to show "it" from day 1. like peyton manning. no excuses, win are get ridiculed just like the other moron. no excuses about dropped passes, porous defense just win period.

What was Peyton's record as a rookie? What was Troy Aikman's? And you are right, if he has "it" he wil show "it" from day one.

As far as the other comment, go see the Carolina-Saints game a few years back when Delhomme had to come in and throw a hail mary at the end of the half, while Brooks was heading towards the lockerroom.

pakowitz · 12-26-2005, 07:45 PM

look guys... if we do get the 1st pick.. and are looking to shop it.. then it really all depends on who iss where after us... say its NO #1 49ers #2 Htown #3 who will be 4 5 n 6? we know the 49ers dont want a qb and we know htown cant afford another qb so they will be forced to either trade up for bush or down for more picks... b/c we know the Jets wil be interested in bush and or a qb so they will be lookin to move up... lets see who else...green bay will want bush... and oakland.... lord knows they need a qb bad... so it all depends on who will want to give up the most to move up b/c most of these teams will be looking to get either leinert or young....

Winwin · 12-26-2005, 07:52 PM

As far as the other comment, go see the Carolina-Saints game a few years back when Delhomme had to come in and throw a hail mary at the end of the half, while Brooks was heading towards the lockerroom.

ooOh i remember a false rumor that was portrayed on this forum, that the moron brooks didn't want to throw the hailmary pass, was reported by kenny forgot his last name prior to him going inside with the team. he came back after halftime and said that wasn't what happened? if we are gonna spread information on someone at least make it factual. if that had really happened, first i doubt the moron haslett would've stood for it, secondly the nfl and media would've picked up on it. since you are the only person in 2 1/2 years to re-bring it up that tells me nothing ever happened.

ScottBalot · 12-26-2005, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Winwin

As far as the other comment, go see the Carolina-Saints game a few years back when Delhomme had to come in and throw a hail mary at the end of the half, while Brooks was heading towards the lockerroom.

ooOh i remember a false rumor that was portrayed on this forum, that the moron brooks didn't want to throw the hailmary pass, was reported by kenny forgot his last name prior to him going inside with the team. he came back after halftime and said that wasn't what happened? if we are gonna spread information on someone at least make it factual. if that had really happened, first i doubt the moron haslett would've stood for it, secondly the nfl and media would've picked up on it. since you are the only person in 2 1/2 years to re-bring it up that tells me nothing ever happened.

You doubt moron Haslett would've stood for it? Ok, I'm finished with you.

Winwin · 12-26-2005, 08:01 PM

You doubt moron Haslett would've stood for it? Ok, I'm finished with you.

dude, don't get ticked. the sideline reporter said he thought something, and went into the lockerroom and found out what he thought didn't happen. again something like that would've been picked up by every media outlet in the free world had that truly happened. what links, past articles interviews do you have that says this happened?

i know exactly where you got it from, and the reporter corrected himself evidently you didn't hear that part.

12-26-2005, 02:22 PM	#31
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by SEmerone I WOULD LOVE THAT NUMBER ONE PICk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trade it for # 3 or #4 and draft AJ HAWK and more picks!!!!!! The fundamental problem with trading down for more picks is the fact that the Saints have Mickey Loomis still pulling the trigger on how they use the picks. Now he's done a fairly decent job in the first round (with the possible exception of Sullivan, which is debatable). There is only one team that has two first round picks this year (Denver), and they don't need a running back or a quarterback, so now you are looking at something like some teams first and second this year, and a pick next year. What has Loomis done in the second round? He's drafted backups and projects while consistenly passing up better talent year after year. I say if they get lucky and get the first pick in the draft, I hope they keep it and use it. That way, they are almost forced by peer pressure to take someone worth drafting.
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12-26-2005, 02:31 PM	#32
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	but I'm talking about actually using their first round pick on draft day for a franchise quarterback. You build the offense around Leinart and a running game. Don't ask Leinhart to carry the offense on his back, instead ask him to manage it. i would like to share my input on your comments, if you are just going to get a qb, to simply manage the offense and not having to rely on him to carry the team. we might as well keep the moron we have on the bench now. he's been asked to carry this team for his entire time, and he can't do it. now you want to get the so-called franchised qb in leinart pay the 14 million in guaranteed money, and then say don't depend on him to carry the team?
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12-26-2005, 02:58 PM	#33
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by Winwin but I'm talking about actually using their first round pick on draft day for a franchise quarterback. You build the offense around Leinart and a running game. Don't ask Leinhart to carry the offense on his back, instead ask him to manage it. i would like to share my input on your comments, if you are just going to get a qb, to simply manage the offense and not having to rely on him to carry the team. we might as well keep the moron we have on the bench now. he's been asked to carry this team for his entire time, and he can't do it. now you want to get the so-called franchised qb in leinart pay the 14 million in guaranteed money, and then say don't depend on him to carry the team? First, I don't think you ever put a rookie quarterback in a position to carry the offense, franchise-type or not. Second, the "moron" that we have on the bench needs to learn how to step up in the pocket, read defenses, make quick decisions, and be a better leader before he can manage a game, much less carry an offense. I believe that Leinart has the ability to do those things, so yes, I would pay him 14 million to do the things that the "moron" couldn't accomplish in the past six years. Third, it's pretty obvious to me that it takes more than someone who can hand the ball off, and make a few passes here and there in order to be an EFFECTIVE game manager. I've heard and read that Leinart is a "system" quarterback, that he's a product of being surrounded by so much talent. Well, Brooks is supposedly "surrounded" with talent, yet he can't seem to get the "talent" to perform until they are down by two touchdowns. My point being is that you have to have the ability to use the talent around you to the best of your abilities to win the game. I don't think that Matt Leinart will ever tell his head coach that he refuses to throw a hail mary right before halftime because it may hurt his stats. It's a frame of mind thing, it's the "it" factor. Like it or not, Leinart has "it." And as a Saints' fan, I wouldn't have one problem paying 14 million for "it"
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12-26-2005, 03:11 PM	#34
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	First, I don't think you ever put a rookie quarterback in a position to carry the offense, franchise-type or not. Second, the "moron" that we have on the bench needs to learn how to step up in the pocket, read defenses, make quick decisions, and be a better leader before he can manage a game, much less carry an offense. if you are giving a 14 million dollar signing bonus to someone that means, "rookie" are not if he has "it" then he will be able to show "it" from day 1. like peyton manning. no excuses, win are get ridiculed just like the other moron. no excuses about dropped passes, porous defense just win period.
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12-26-2005, 03:13 PM	#35
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	I don't think that Matt Leinart will ever tell his head coach that he refuses to throw a hail mary right before halftime because it may hurt his stats. where did you hear that someone told haslett this, i'd like to know so i can print and post this everywhere.
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12-26-2005, 07:39 PM	#36
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by Winwin First, I don't think you ever put a rookie quarterback in a position to carry the offense, franchise-type or not. Second, the "moron" that we have on the bench needs to learn how to step up in the pocket, read defenses, make quick decisions, and be a better leader before he can manage a game, much less carry an offense. if you are giving a 14 million dollar signing bonus to someone that means, "rookie" are not if he has "it" then he will be able to show "it" from day 1. like peyton manning. no excuses, win are get ridiculed just like the other moron. no excuses about dropped passes, porous defense just win period. What was Peyton's record as a rookie? What was Troy Aikman's? And you are right, if he has "it" he wil show "it" from day one. As far as the other comment, go see the Carolina-Saints game a few years back when Delhomme had to come in and throw a hail mary at the end of the half, while Brooks was heading towards the lockerroom.
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12-26-2005, 07:45 PM	#37
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12-26-2005, 07:52 PM	#38
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	As far as the other comment, go see the Carolina-Saints game a few years back when Delhomme had to come in and throw a hail mary at the end of the half, while Brooks was heading towards the lockerroom. ooOh i remember a false rumor that was portrayed on this forum, that the moron brooks didn't want to throw the hailmary pass, was reported by kenny forgot his last name prior to him going inside with the team. he came back after halftime and said that wasn't what happened? if we are gonna spread information on someone at least make it factual. if that had really happened, first i doubt the moron haslett would've stood for it, secondly the nfl and media would've picked up on it. since you are the only person in 2 1/2 years to re-bring it up that tells me nothing ever happened.
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12-26-2005, 07:56 PM	#39
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Originally Posted by Winwin As far as the other comment, go see the Carolina-Saints game a few years back when Delhomme had to come in and throw a hail mary at the end of the half, while Brooks was heading towards the lockerroom. ooOh i remember a false rumor that was portrayed on this forum, that the moron brooks didn't want to throw the hailmary pass, was reported by kenny forgot his last name prior to him going inside with the team. he came back after halftime and said that wasn't what happened? if we are gonna spread information on someone at least make it factual. if that had really happened, first i doubt the moron haslett would've stood for it, secondly the nfl and media would've picked up on it. since you are the only person in 2 1/2 years to re-bring it up that tells me nothing ever happened. You doubt moron Haslett would've stood for it? Ok, I'm finished with you.
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12-26-2005, 08:01 PM	#40
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	You doubt moron Haslett would've stood for it? Ok, I'm finished with you. dude, don't get ticked. the sideline reporter said he thought something, and went into the lockerroom and found out what he thought didn't happen. again something like that would've been picked up by every media outlet in the free world had that truly happened. what links, past articles interviews do you have that says this happened? i know exactly where you got it from, and the reporter corrected himself evidently you didn't hear that part.
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