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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I\'ve heard a ton of BS coming from different clubs. Clubs trying to better their position in the draft. Some players that weren\'t initially thought to be as good as others at their position are surrounded by hype, alot of ...

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Old 04-16-2003, 08:26 AM   #11
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I\'ve heard a ton of BS coming from different clubs. Clubs trying to better their position in the draft. Some players that weren\'t initially thought to be as good as others at their position are surrounded by hype, alot of it unfounded. Others, who were thought of as being sure picks are getting negative responses, once again, unfounded rumors. It happens every year. It\'s the chess match we affectionately refer to as \"The NFL Draft\".
Fact is, there are two CB\'s in this draft that will start their first year. There are seven at DT. I\'d say of those seven, five have the potential to make impacts. But, DT is the easiest position to adjust to going from college to NFL ball.
I don\'t really care as much, as long as the first three picks go towards DT, LB, and CB. Whether they take Trufant and Bailey, then take Warren or Long in the 2nd round, or Kennedy, Henderson, and Weathersby/Woolfolk in the 2nd round. I will say this, if they do take a LB and a DT in the 1st, and wait to take a CB in the 2nd, don\'t expect that CB to start unless he has a spectacular camp. He will be another project that will be on the sidelines this coming year. The option to take a CB and LB in the 1st, and a DT in the 2nd, gives us potentially three starters their first year out of college. Or hell, we could take Trufant and Robertson in the 1st, and Hayes/James in the 2nd, and I\'d say Hayes or James could potentially start, in my opinion, we are weak at LB, unless Allen wants to prove me wrong this coming year.

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Old 04-16-2003, 10:41 AM   #12
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I\'d take 2dts if possible. We need constant pressure, run plays, pass plays any play, pressure.
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Old 04-16-2003, 10:56 AM   #13
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Again, I agree with B&B. You guys want a DT who can start and play better than Hand or Jackson. Me too. You can find that in the second round. What you cannot find in the second round, in my mind, is a corner who will come in and beat out Carter, Thomas, Ambrose, or Craver. You SHOULD be able to find a CB in the first round that can start at some point in the season.

PS - stopping the run is overrated. I probably just dropped a 1000 points on some of your intelligence meters, but consider... Only one team with a top 10 runningback went to the playoffs last year. The playoff teams from a year ago ON AVERAGE had a runningback ranked 20th or lower, and a Quarterback in the top 10 or 15. Think back to all the Saints losses. How many teams really beat us on the ground? Cinci, but you have to hope that\'s the kind of fluke that will never happen again. Atlanta... but the best two DTs in the draft aren\'t going to stop Vick. The Browns, Vikings, even Detroit beats us in the air.

While I do think that we need to be able to stop the run better, I\'m more concerned with value. Like B&B said, we can find three starters if we take a CB and LB in round one and a DT in round two. I\'m doubtful that statement hold true if you change that order around.

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Old 04-16-2003, 11:04 AM   #14
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PS - last year we were 19th against the run and 28th against the pass. Pass defense is a bigger concern... especially with our offense. When the team you\'re playing is scoring 30 a game you can\'t exactly afford to run 3 yard off tackles and draws. You have to push the ball down the field and you do that with your passing game. Plus, with the west coast offense being so popular, more and more teams are looking to short dump passes to replace a running game (a la the Oakland Raiders)
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Old 04-16-2003, 11:25 AM   #15
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you guys make some great points and i think the real disagreement is weather or not you guys have confidence in our current cb\'s and to me i think we really dont have that big of a problem, not only am i worried about stoping the run but also, like whodat pointed out, we are getting beat by the short dump offs then the big play going down the field, and i think we can stop that if we get a dominant pass rush. look at tampa, they had rice and sapp in the quater backs face all day and look how good vick or basically any other qb did. in fact only brooks had success. Basically what im saying is have alot confidence in ambrose, carter, craver, thomas than yall do but absolutly non in our defense of line,
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Old 04-16-2003, 12:13 PM   #16
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I have \"a little\" confidence in our secondary now after picking up Tebucky. I also have faith in our defensive line....if we\'re talking about the end position. DT? The only person I have confidence in to be a consistent player is Kenny Smith. I think that kid is ready to go. Chase is no more than a 3rd or even 4th guy, and Hand and Jackson can\'t lay off the cajun food. I\'d hate to see one of them had a laceration because gravy would probably pour out instead of blood. J/K. I do think we need a DT in the draft, along with a linebacker, and a corner, but I guess we\'ll all see what happens come next Saturday.

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Old 04-16-2003, 03:49 PM   #17
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Stopping the run is not overrated. if teams stopped Duece, we would not have won the few game we did. When you can stop the run it helps the dbs focus on pass. DBS are better when the DL is clogging up and putting pressure on things.

I don\'t know if anybody is out there to replace Norman and Grady but there are a few good ones out there to give Norman and Grady a rest without slowing down.
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Old 04-16-2003, 06:35 PM   #18
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I agree with a stud DT as the biggest priority closely followed by a stud MLB. Last year the poor play of the DB\'s was in part attributed to the QB feeling to comfortable in the pocket. The Saints have some good CB on the team right now and if they get pressure on the QB then those CB\'s play could easily be ugraded. .

I am not on board with the idea of giving up picks this year to grab one of the TWO power CB\'s. Not with 2-3 good second tier CB\'s available in round 2 and the possibility of getting a shut down corner through FA next year.

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Old 04-16-2003, 07:58 PM   #19
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Excellent forum - you guys know your football.

For what it\'s worth, I\'m worried about trading up - I just don\'t think any -any- talent in this draft is worth 2 middle-round first round picks. Especially when so many hopefuls in the draft go bust. So I hope they take best defensive talent available with 17 and 18. So in my mind, keeping in mind the order people look to be going in this draft, that\'d lead me to believe linebacker and corner in the first, defensive tackle in the second.
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Old 04-16-2003, 10:17 PM   #20
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I absolutly agree with not trading both 1 rounders becuase of the deep DT pool in the draft, but i would like us to trade a 1st and 3rd or maybe a 1st and 2nd if we know we are going to get a dominating player from the start. the only problem with that is we wont have a high enough pick for a good LB and I want to know why you guys aren\'t confident with with our cb/safety\'s, i know they are getting old, ARe you guys just trying to get somebody new, let me know what you guys think
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