the saints cannot afford (benson is not willing to pay and none would come to NO). i do think we need a strong leader to get this long lasting loser mentality out of the franchise.

As far as I'm concerned, Tice and Haslett are mirror images of one another. Both have had consistently underachieving teams.....both are young, ex players who may yet be a little too close to the game.

I don't think you specifically blame the boat incident on Tice, but once you start to pile up the incidents, you get a feeling that the guy doesn't run a clean ship (pun intended).

I think when you're the Saints, you have to know thyself when looking for a coach. That rules out Tice.....I hope it also rules out Martz. ( A coach who loves to play video game football on a team that never gets breaks....not hard to figure out where that will get you.)

All points well taken . . . I'm just tired of business as usual. I think a good starting point will be when all of the windows in my avatar bus are X'ed out, especally Benson. We all know he is not going to open his purse to woo someone who is a proven winner over and over again. It looks like Loomis is going to screw around and take what is left over instead of being proactive and get who you really need at all cost, such as the Chiefs did. We have always seemed like a minor league (training) team for the NFL . . . I am ready for a team that players will look forward to playing for, instead of trying to avoid. Names from the past came jumping back into my memory as former Saints that are in the playoffs this past weekend.

It is not reported that either Young or Leinart have said they don't won't to come to NO. Rumor Rumor rumor... I know for a fact Matt hasn't said anything and is waiting to see what happens, he feels confident he'll go in the top 3 and that is it.

Mike Tice might get a chance again some day but I don't want him in NO. You have to control your team on and off the field.

I say no to Tice....

Great point. But you forgot: both have had ridiclously undisciplined teams.

Yes, that too. And they also both seem like reasonably likeable guys away from their team. Sooner or later, your message either gets across or it doesn't. I think that Tice/Haz have both shown that they aren't very good enforcers of positive culture. And who knows, maybe one or both of them learned things that will help at their next job. I just don't wanna be the ones to find out.