Times Picayune article

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-14-2006, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

who was the last team without a good defense to win a superbowl?

A good place to rejoin the discussion.

The last defense that was not in the top 10 in scoring defense to win the SuperBowl was...

the 1983 Oakland Raiders.

SFIAH

spkb25 · 01-14-2006, 08:55 PM

good post saint fan

Tobias-Reiper · 01-15-2006, 09:50 AM

Ahhhh... it's Brooks-Delhomme II...

This time, it's personal..

jergensl · 01-15-2006, 10:38 AM

why does everyone think the saints defense was so horrible? they finished with the 14th best defense in the nfl and that was with an offense that had the worst turnover ratio (-21) in the nfl that kept giving offenses the ball with a short field. i would say with a few small improvements, less turnovers from the offense and better coaching they could easily be a top 10 defense. i have posted this many times, but for some reason no one has been catching on.

so we have a defense that is atleast better than the nfl average and an offense with a lot of playmakers. what we need now is a qb to not lose the game for us and another outside lb and better coaching. we should be getting better coaching in the next week or so, a new qb with our 1st round pick and an outside linebacker with our 2nd round pick. we will not win the super bowl next year, but atleast we can make a run at the playoffs and finish better than 8-8.

CheramieIII · 01-15-2006, 10:46 AM

why does everyone think the saints defense was so horrible? they finished with the 14th best defense in the nfl and that was with an offense that had the worst turnover ratio (-21) in the nfl that kept giving offenses the ball with a short field. i would say with a few small improvements, less turnovers from the offense and better coaching they could easily be a top 10 defense. i have posted this many times, but for some reason no one has been catching on.

I don't think anyone said our defense was horrible but I think some of the members see that # 14 defense being a # 2 or 3 defense which will dramatically improve the offense all by itself. We do not need another superstar. Hell if I could trade Deuce straight for another quality RB I would. We don't need superstars we need a team and that starts with defense, period.

jergensl · 01-15-2006, 10:49 AM

a top 3 defense is the whole reason i first became a saints fan back in 1990 and 1991. i am sure you would agree that an offense can also make a defense look much better if they don't turn the ball over all the time. i think we already have that defensive base. if we don't have a qb that can manage the game the best defense in the world won't get you anywhere.

spkb25 · 01-15-2006, 11:00 AM

well jerg yes that is true but christ noone is looking to get todd blackledge.

CheramieIII · 01-15-2006, 11:00 AM

When we had that great defense, Bobby was our QB. Then we got stomped in the playoffs everytime. Now that was due to bad coaching and nothing more.

spkb25 · 01-15-2006, 11:48 AM

mora was always conservative to me

TheDeuce · 01-15-2006, 12:04 PM

Our defense was pretty good, ranked 14th, last season. Yet we led the league in turnovers and we were in the bottom 3 in scoring offense. This team needs offensive help. It won't matter how good our defense is if we can't score points and the other teams score defensive touchdowns every game. Most people on this board were crying that our defense would have one games for us this year if our offense wasn't so bad. We need offensive help, specifically at QB. Our defense needs help too, but it's not as important as getting a QB.

01-14-2006, 08:54 PM	#101
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Originally Posted by pakowitz who was the last team without a good defense to win a superbowl? A good place to rejoin the discussion. The last defense that was not in the top 10 in scoring defense to win the SuperBowl was... the 1983 Oakland Raiders. SFIAH

01-15-2006, 12:04 PM	#110
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Our defense was pretty good, ranked 14th, last season. Yet we led the league in turnovers and we were in the bottom 3 in scoring offense. This team needs offensive help. It won't matter how good our defense is if we can't score points and the other teams score defensive touchdowns every game. Most people on this board were crying that our defense would have one games for us this year if our offense wasn't so bad. We need offensive help, specifically at QB. Our defense needs help too, but it's not as important as getting a QB.
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01-14-2006, 08:55 PM	#102
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01-15-2006, 10:38 AM	#104
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	why does everyone think the saints defense was so horrible? they finished with the 14th best defense in the nfl and that was with an offense that had the worst turnover ratio (-21) in the nfl that kept giving offenses the ball with a short field. i would say with a few small improvements, less turnovers from the offense and better coaching they could easily be a top 10 defense. i have posted this many times, but for some reason no one has been catching on. so we have a defense that is atleast better than the nfl average and an offense with a lot of playmakers. what we need now is a qb to not lose the game for us and another outside lb and better coaching. we should be getting better coaching in the next week or so, a new qb with our 1st round pick and an outside linebacker with our 2nd round pick. we will not win the super bowl next year, but atleast we can make a run at the playoffs and finish better than 8-8.

01-15-2006, 10:46 AM	#105
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	why does everyone think the saints defense was so horrible? they finished with the 14th best defense in the nfl and that was with an offense that had the worst turnover ratio (-21) in the nfl that kept giving offenses the ball with a short field. i would say with a few small improvements, less turnovers from the offense and better coaching they could easily be a top 10 defense. i have posted this many times, but for some reason no one has been catching on. I don't think anyone said our defense was horrible but I think some of the members see that # 14 defense being a # 2 or 3 defense which will dramatically improve the offense all by itself. We do not need another superstar. Hell if I could trade Deuce straight for another quality RB I would. We don't need superstars we need a team and that starts with defense, period.

01-15-2006, 10:49 AM	#106
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	a top 3 defense is the whole reason i first became a saints fan back in 1990 and 1991. i am sure you would agree that an offense can also make a defense look much better if they don't turn the ball over all the time. i think we already have that defensive base. if we don't have a qb that can manage the game the best defense in the world won't get you anywhere.

01-15-2006, 11:00 AM	#107
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	well jerg yes that is true but christ noone is looking to get todd blackledge.

01-15-2006, 11:00 AM	#108
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	When we had that great defense, Bobby was our QB. Then we got stomped in the playoffs everytime. Now that was due to bad coaching and nothing more.

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