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Old 01-14-2006, 10:14 AM   #31
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mmm. History. You mean that something happened in the past? Great concept. What history do I seem not to recognize? The history of gaping holes in the defensive and offensive lines or no quality linebackers for over 10 years or no quality corners? There are more busts at qb in the first round than there are success stories over the course of history, is that what you're referring to? How about the history of picks under Benson?

Don't attempt to reprimand me with vague, trite aphorisms, you toad. Either bring it or keep it in your kindegarten.
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Old 01-14-2006, 02:36 PM   #33
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blah blah... when a QB can single handedly put the game on his shoulders and win, that is special. Great players don't choose when to be great, ya just are. Young is the right choice here. Young will be able to win us games just on talent until he becomes 'more polish'. We have a lot of areas to improve before we are a winning play, you pick this guy. Young even has a better QB rating.

Leinart 157
Young 163.7

soooo true euphor, young is special. that's why he was awarded the manning award for best college qb. "gee" lienart didn't win over vince there either. since regardless of which qb you would take, neither would be able to start from day 1, they'd both sit or should sit for a entire year. i'd take my chances with vince he's the less likely to be the bust. face it you can't judge anything lienart did in college, simply because of whom he lined up with. he played on a allstar team for 4 years, the likes he won't have with his nfl team.

could a allstar college team make a average are below average qb look better than he really is? yep! vince brought his team to a new level, lienart didn't.

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Old 01-14-2006, 02:56 PM   #34
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Leinart did throw for almost 350 yds against a pretty good Texas defense. Not to mention he has been in a pro style offense. I would not be disappointed in Young either if we take him. He would fill the stands. Especially vs. Vick. Drafting a QB is always a crap shoot. They both have a lot of intangibles and both have their faults. I think a lot of it is gonna depend on the coach and the supporting cast we give them. I am just excited to see a draft that it will be very hard for the bean counter to screw up. We should still be able to get a top notch LB as well.
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Old 01-14-2006, 03:03 PM   #35
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Leinart did throw for almost 350 yds against a pretty good Texas defense.

yeah, lienart threw for 350 yards with what type of supporting cast? ya'll keep trying to sway away from the truth. keep mentioning how texas had a good defense, mention how lienart has play with a allstar supporting cast better than at least 30 nfl teams.

lienart can't be really judged because of whom he played along side of, throwing for 350 yards with jerry rice at wr and barry sanders at rb is a whole world different than having the likes of rod gardner at wr and pittman at rb.

lienart has bust written all over him no matter how you try and sugar coat it.

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Old 01-14-2006, 03:08 PM   #36
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you are almost as bad as euphoria with your football facts.

best college qb does not mean who will be the best nfl qb.

young didn't beat leinhart...texas beat usc.

young or leinart could start this year. young could start and use his feet to get himself out of trouble. leinart has already played in a pro-style offense where he called plays and audibled at the line of scrimmage. he could manage an offense, but i wouldn't expect either to go out and try to win games by themselves their first year.

leinart did play on the most talented offense in college last year. besides carson palmer i cannot think of a usc offensive player who has had a big impact in the nfl from the past 3 years. maybe leinart is making some of the players on his team appear to be better than they are. yes a qb can do this just look at brady in new england or manning in indy. there are wrs on both teams that these quarterbacks make appear to be better than they really are.
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i'd take my chances with vince he's the less likely to be the bust.
What evidence, proof, or statistics do you have to support this claim? None? That's right. I hope nobody on this board listens to anything you say anymore.

face it you can't judge anything lienart did in college, simply because of whom he lined up with. he played on a allstar team for 4 years, the likes he won't have with his nfl team.
According to Rivals.com, the most prestigious college recruiting website, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and Dominique Byrd were all four-star players. Of course Reggie Bush was five-stars. So yeah, Leinart had some talent around him. But the balls didn't throw themselves to these players. The balls didn't run great play-action by itself and then strike wide open receivers. Leinart was the one who was threading the ball in there every game. He was the one taking advantage of his talent, not wasting it like a lot of quarterbacks do (AB). You can't discredit Leinart for having good players around him. Maybe those guys wanted to go to USC because they wanted to play with such a great QB. The point is tho, Leinart made the best of his situation, so what else did you want him to do? This is a lose-lose situation you guys are putting Leinart in here. If he had lost with all of that talent, you would say, "What kind of loser can't even win with that talent?" But when he wins 34 straight games and 1 (or 2) national championsip(s), you say, "Well of course he won, look at all that talent he had." Maybe you guys are jealous, but I just don't think you can judge talent. The guy took advantage of the talent around him, made them play better, he got better, and they were on top of college football for 3 years. What about Florida State? They had top 5 recruiting classes 4 out of the last 5 years, but they haven't been in the running for a national championship any of those years. Why? Because their QBs haven't taken advantage of the talent around them. Come on guys, your biased and unproven statements are just ignorant and annoying...

But if you want to continue the talent argument...

2002- USC ranked 13th nationally, UT ranked #1
2003- USC ranked #3, UT ranked 16th
2004- USC ranked #1 nationally, UT ranked #10

So how is there that much disparity between the talent that you keep talking about? UT had two top 10 classes, USC had two top 10 classes. Both had 1 year where they were the #1 recruiting class in the nation. So if you wanna argue talent-wise.... VY had just as good of talent, but Leinart played better with his talent, and made USC's players better.

O, I almost forgot to talk about Texas' skill players talent. UT's top 3 receivers: Billy Pittman, David Thomas, and Limas Sweed were all 4-star players... just like USC's top 3 receivers Jarrett, Steve Smith, and Dominique Byrd.
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keep mentioning how texas had a good defense, mention how lienart has play with a allstar supporting cast better than at least 30 nfl teams.
This is ridiculous, can somebody please delete this guy's account? He's just trying to antagonize people.
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This is ridiculous, can somebody please delete this guy's account? He's just trying to antagonize people.

this is an opinion board pal, if you don't like mine then simply don't read nor respond.
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Old 01-14-2006, 03:36 PM   #40
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now tell me, what player on texas's team is equal to the likes of lendale white and reggie bush.
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