Times Picayune article

spkb25 · 01-14-2006, 05:04 PM

win thanks for pointing out that the rest of the entire texas team sucked. i am sure they would appreciate that. you are also probably the only idiot that believes that. in the aggie game their running backs won the game for them. they have a very good o-line there. good to know that the texas players outside of vince were horrible

gandhi1007 · 01-14-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

the whole thing is everyone faults VY for being a great runner... if he couldnt run ie leinert we wouldnt be discussing this....just b/c he runs everyone thinks he wont be a good qb and i dont see it that way...

On the contrary. Even though running QB's are prone to injury, I think Vince Young will eventually be a decent NFL QB. I just think it will take him alot longer to make the transition into the pros than it will Leinart who comes from a pro style offense. And his fumble problem scares me alot, being I've had to endure the Aaron Brooks era in New Orleans. Leinart seems to be the better choice at this point.

spkb25 · 01-14-2006, 05:06 PM

oh pak he may have been doing that because he couldn't read a d too. not saying that for sure but from what i saw of the guy is if you can get good pressure on him you can get him rattled and get him turning the ball over.

spkb25 · 01-14-2006, 05:07 PM

i think it is a little tougher to run the way big vince did in college in the nfl.

CheramieIII · 01-14-2006, 05:08 PM

You want ratings, here ya go:

IA National Player Report
Passing Efficiency

Year: 2005 Thru: 01/04/06 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
1 Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St. QB SO 9 228 156 68.42 2 .88 2273 9.97 17 7.46 175.0
2 Brian Brohm, Louisville QB SO 10 301 207 68.77 5 1.66 2883 9.58 19 6.31 166.7
3 Vince Young, Texas QB JR 13 325 212 65.23 10 3.08 3036 9.34 26 8.00 163.9
4 Troy Smith, Ohio St. QB SR 11 237 149 62.87 4 1.69 2282 9.63 16 6.75 162.7
5 Drew Olson, UCLA QB SR 12 378 242 64.02 6 1.59 3198 8.46 34 8.99 161.6
6 Phil Horvath, Northern Ill. QB JR 9 238 168 70.59 8 3.36 2001 8.41 18 7.56 159.4
7 Brady Quinn, Notre Dame QB JR 12 450 292 64.89 7 1.56 3919 8.71 32 7.11 158.4
8 Matt Leinart, Southern California QB SR 13 431 283 65.66 8 1.86 3815 8.85 28 6.50 157.7
9 Colt Brennan, Hawaii QB SO 12 515 350 67.96 13 2.52 4301 8.35 35 6.80 155.5
10 Drew Stanton, Michigan St. QB JR 11 354 236 66.67 12 3.39 3077 8.69 22 6.21 153.4
11 Brian Johnson, Utah QB SO 10 330 210 63.64 7 2.12 2892 8.76 18 5.45 151.0
12 Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green QB JR 9 321 195 60.75 7 2.18 2590 8.07 26 8.10 150.9

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank....sseff&site=org

and this doesn't include rushing yards or TD's which would put Young way ahead of Leinart if he wasn't already.

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 05:09 PM

the offensive lineman

USC has two linemen. UT has one (Blalock), that if he comes out, would be a high draft pick.

Winwin · 01-14-2006, 05:11 PM

win thanks for pointing out that the rest of the entire texas team sucked. i am sure they would appreciate that. you are also probably the only idiot that believes that. in the aggie game their running backs won the game for them. they have a very good o-line there. good to know that the texas players outside of vince were horrible

huh? what? wtf? you guys are simply off your rockers...i made points you can't refute, so one guy goes to talkin about stars? hello! we're talking about players and how they played recently not what their projection was on signing day in college. texas has a good team, if they didn't they wouldn't have gone to the national championship. but texas by no comparison matches the nfl prospects of usc. and you guys no it, so now you go to some other rant calling me names disrespecting the texas team in which i never did.

usc has 3 offensive lineman the nfl is waiting to hear from this weekend, 2 rb's and a qb this is just on offense. now talk stars to me? we are talking top 30 picks all of them and how many does texas have? 2 maybe 3 nuff said!

TheDeuce · 01-14-2006, 05:12 PM

Cher, we already established the fact that Young has a higher efficiency rating, but his raw #s just aren't anywhere close to Leinart's. Not to mention Young's turnover ratio compared to Leinart's is almost 2:1. Leinart is a safe bet. Young is a gamble.

Also, did you read my post about pocket passers winning? What don't you get about that?

Winwin · 01-14-2006, 05:13 PM

Also, did you read my post about pocket passers winning? What don't you get about that?

elway, steve young.

spkb25 · 01-14-2006, 05:14 PM

i am looking forward to watching vince in the nfl. time will tell that is for sure. i don't think he can make the transition as a passer

01-14-2006, 05:06 PM	#72
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by pakowitz the whole thing is everyone faults VY for being a great runner... if he couldnt run ie leinert we wouldnt be discussing this....just b/c he runs everyone thinks he wont be a good qb and i dont see it that way... On the contrary. Even though running QB's are prone to injury, I think Vince Young will eventually be a decent NFL QB. I just think it will take him alot longer to make the transition into the pros than it will Leinart who comes from a pro style offense. And his fumble problem scares me alot, being I've had to endure the Aaron Brooks era in New Orleans. Leinart seems to be the better choice at this point.

01-14-2006, 05:08 PM	#75
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	You want ratings, here ya go: IA National Player Report Passing Efficiency Year: 2005 Thru: 01/04/06 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75 Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating 1 Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St. QB SO 9 228 156 68.42 2 .88 2273 9.97 17 7.46 175.0 2 Brian Brohm, Louisville QB SO 10 301 207 68.77 5 1.66 2883 9.58 19 6.31 166.7 3 Vince Young, Texas QB JR 13 325 212 65.23 10 3.08 3036 9.34 26 8.00 163.9 4 Troy Smith, Ohio St. QB SR 11 237 149 62.87 4 1.69 2282 9.63 16 6.75 162.7 5 Drew Olson, UCLA QB SR 12 378 242 64.02 6 1.59 3198 8.46 34 8.99 161.6 6 Phil Horvath, Northern Ill. QB JR 9 238 168 70.59 8 3.36 2001 8.41 18 7.56 159.4 7 Brady Quinn, Notre Dame QB JR 12 450 292 64.89 7 1.56 3919 8.71 32 7.11 158.4 8 Matt Leinart, Southern California QB SR 13 431 283 65.66 8 1.86 3815 8.85 28 6.50 157.7 9 Colt Brennan, Hawaii QB SO 12 515 350 67.96 13 2.52 4301 8.35 35 6.80 155.5 10 Drew Stanton, Michigan St. QB JR 11 354 236 66.67 12 3.39 3077 8.69 22 6.21 153.4 11 Brian Johnson, Utah QB SO 10 330 210 63.64 7 2.12 2892 8.76 18 5.45 151.0 12 Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green QB JR 9 321 195 60.75 7 2.18 2590 8.07 26 8.10 150.9 http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank....sseff&site=org and this doesn't include rushing yards or TD's which would put Young way ahead of Leinart if he wasn't already.
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01-14-2006, 05:09 PM	#76
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	the offensive lineman USC has two linemen. UT has one (Blalock), that if he comes out, would be a high draft pick.
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01-14-2006, 05:11 PM	#77
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	win thanks for pointing out that the rest of the entire texas team sucked. i am sure they would appreciate that. you are also probably the only idiot that believes that. in the aggie game their running backs won the game for them. they have a very good o-line there. good to know that the texas players outside of vince were horrible huh? what? wtf? you guys are simply off your rockers...i made points you can't refute, so one guy goes to talkin about stars? hello! we're talking about players and how they played recently not what their projection was on signing day in college. texas has a good team, if they didn't they wouldn't have gone to the national championship. but texas by no comparison matches the nfl prospects of usc. and you guys no it, so now you go to some other rant calling me names disrespecting the texas team in which i never did. usc has 3 offensive lineman the nfl is waiting to hear from this weekend, 2 rb's and a qb this is just on offense. now talk stars to me? we are talking top 30 picks all of them and how many does texas have? 2 maybe 3 nuff said!
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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Cher, we already established the fact that Young has a higher efficiency rating, but his raw #s just aren't anywhere close to Leinart's. Not to mention Young's turnover ratio compared to Leinart's is almost 2:1. Leinart is a safe bet. Young is a gamble. Also, did you read my post about pocket passers winning? What don't you get about that?
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	win thanks for pointing out that the rest of the entire texas team sucked. i am sure they would appreciate that. you are also probably the only idiot that believes that. in the aggie game their running backs won the game for them. they have a very good o-line there. good to know that the texas players outside of vince were horrible

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	i think it is a little tougher to run the way big vince did in college in the nfl.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	i am looking forward to watching vince in the nfl. time will tell that is for sure. i don't think he can make the transition as a passer