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i'll put it as simply as i see it, lienart played with great talent around him. vince young played with good talent around him. lienart played with probably 6 other players on offense that will be top 25 picks in the nfl draft on offense alone. vince probably had besides himself 1 maybe 2 on offense that will be top 40 picks in the nfl on offense.
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that may be a fair take win. but that may also have something to do with their leading rusher being a freshamn and both leading wideouts being soph.
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Palmer is physically superior in terms of mobility, arm strength. I made the comparasion to Dorsey, great college QB, not a great arm, surrounded by top talent. As for Young, he had talent around him. However, Reymonce Taylor/Jamal Charles are not Lendale White/Reggie Bush. Limas Sweed/Pittman are not Dwayne Jarret/Steve Smith. Jarrett,Bush,White will all be top 15 picks. Where have you seen such a high grade on Leinart? If Haslett likes him that should say enough
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moving on... maybe the reason why there are so many talented and high quality offensive players on USC because leinart has the ability to make other players look better than they are (see peyton manning making stokley and marcus pollard look talented, as well as brady making all his wrs except branch look much better than they really are). also, why is it so easy to say all the other players on USC's offense are real nfl prospects, but lienart isn't. deuce, sometimes i think you and are are some of the only ones who know what we are talking about. chermie you do alright too. haha |
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I just looooove posts like this one, because it gives us the ridiculous people of B&G a chance to exercise of lil' ol' brains, and have the facts hit us right 'n the kisser... ..well, let's check it out... Quote:
Jeff George #1 overall Drew Bledsoe #1 overall successful QB Rick Mirer #2 overall Heath Shuler #3 overall Steve McNair #3 overall successful QB Peyton Manning #1 overall successful QB Ryan Leaf #2 overall Tim Couch #1 overall Donovan McNabb successful QB Akili Smith #2 overall Michael Vick #1 overall has had some success, but is he a QB??? David Carr #1 overall Joey Harrington #3 overall Carson Palmer #1 overall successful QB Eli Manning Alex Smith. Ok... let's see... I'm going to take out the last 2, because they don't have enough playing time to have a fair assessment. So, including Vick, who's not a good QB but has had some success, I count 6 succcessful QBs out of 14 . . I dare say that the chances of having a succcessful QB pick in the top 3 are probably less than 43% A curious factoid: you can find only 1 Superbowl ring among all of the above, and it belongs to Bledsoe, who got it while sitting on the bench watching Brady play . Quote:
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Kyle Boller is a good QB??? Joey Harrington is a good QB??? Michael Vick is a good QB??? He is exciting to watch, and dangerous when he runs, but good QB??? Byron Leftwich?? I don't know if I would call him "good".. tough, sure... but "good"?? I don't know Rex Grossman?? The guy has started 2 games in the NFL and he's good??? Culpepper is good??? Guess lofting balls to Randy Moss makes anyone good. Now, after carefully studying the passer rating table, let's see what I learned: I learned that Trent Dilfer had a better QB rating than Eli Manning Michael Vick Joey Harrington Kyle Boller I learned that, out of the top 10 rated passers, 5 were not picked in the 1st round. Matt Hasselbeck Marc Bulger Tom Brady Trent Green Drew Brees ... it is obvious that, as draft rounds pass, the talent gets diluted. So the pure mathematical chances of picking a good player at ANY position, offense or defense, diminish. But there are plenty of guys who have been picked in later rounds who play as good as, if not better, than guys picked in the 1st round, and cost much much less... Also, after the season they had, I'm pretty sure the Saints could get, if they wanted: Kerry Collins Joey Harrington Kyle Boller Which one would you like as your 2006 New Orleans Saints QB? |
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nice post T-R
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it is a falacy(sp) to try to gauge success based off of where someone was picked. each is a unique situation and there are many other factors that contributed to many of those listed being busts.
to talk about a few: Jeff George-was a solid qb over the years, but had a serious attitude problem that caused most of his failures on the field. Heath Shuler-way over hyped at tennesse. scouts listened far too much to those volunteer fans instead of their eyes. Ryan Leaf-played in a weak conference, was overhyped for 1 great year and 1 good year. had an attitude problem. Tim Couch-played at kentucky. should be enough said. played in a spread pass happy offense and that was the only reason why he had anywhere close to the numbers he did. if he would have been selected in the 3 or 4th round and got a year or 2 on the bench he might have been a solid back up or decent starter. Akili Smith -1 great year in the weak Pac-10. this was a no brainner even back when he was drafted. Michael Vick-some consider him a bust for a #1 pick, but he is exactly what he was advertised as...a game changer. he will never be a qb in the traditional sense, instead he will always be a guy who can change a game with his athletecism and do enough with his arm to get by. David Carr -i think carr is far from a bust. having nfl ticket, i have watched a lot of his games and he does very well when he has more than 2 seconds to throw the ball. Joey Harrington-only had 1 great year in the weak Pac-10, but he has looked good at times. he will never prove to be worthy of a top 10 pick, but he could become a solid backup or servicable starter in the future. Eli Manning-he has been a major success. Alex Smith-way to early to judge yet. was not rated nearly as high as leinart. had only 1 great year and 1 good year in WAC or Pac-10(can't remember what conference Utah is in right now) both are weak conferences. with a good offensive line, good running game, and continued growth of lloyd he could be very good. |
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