I will settle the argument!

TheDeuce · 01-15-2006, 08:22 PM

Since 1982, only 3 QBs have been taken at the #2 pick. Rick Mirer, Ryan Leaf, and Donovan McNabb. Leaf and Mirer are busts, McNabb is still top 5 in the league.

All time, 15 QBs have been taken with the 2nd pick. These include McNabb, Joe Namath, Archie Manning, Y.A. Tittle, and Sid Luckman. 3 of those are Hall of Famers.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/twos

TheDeuce · 01-15-2006, 08:24 PM

Ok then if you said first rounders like I thought you said the first time. QB's drafted outside round one have won more superbowls than QB's drafted in the first round and only 5 of those QB's won 13 superbowls. I would rather spend the money on defense and draft a second round or later QB or none at all. Free Agency baby.

Haha cher, you know our FO is too dumb! They'll pick up Testaverde or something!

deuce you work for the government? that is just sick to me

HELL NO! I'm a student. That's a nasty insult spk

TheDeuce · 01-15-2006, 08:26 PM

I'll buy it for you if and when Benson becomes stupid enough to throw his money away on Leinart. Never happen! and I like mine cold, real cold. Hey I am going to be down there in March maybe we can get together and I'll buy two cases and we can get drunk together. I don't mind losing as long as I have someone to drink with.

HAHA, so you know that I never said anything about #1 picks right? And the truth shall set you free!

lynwood · 01-15-2006, 10:04 PM

So what If Leinert becomes the next Elway or Aikman. You ready to pass on that?

Euphoria · 01-15-2006, 10:08 PM

A qb is going to get a diddly poo. We need to trade down and get as many picks as we can including trading most everyone on this team for picks... rebuild from the O-line and D. Amac start him this year and let him take the abuse until we have developed. Leinart and yes even Young to much of a gamble picking this high. Stud QB gets you no wheres if you can't protect him or play D.

lynwood · 01-15-2006, 10:19 PM

I love the Gamble theory. The entire Draft is a gamble. You don't know who will get or or eat the most burgers. I don't want to be chumped like arizona and keep trading away top picks and get nowhere.
Take the gamble cause no one will fault us for picking any of the top three(young,bush,orleinert). At least we will have top talent. More picks equals more busts. How many picks from last draft stated for us besides our first rounder?

Euphoria · 01-15-2006, 10:25 PM

We stand a better shot with more picks to get some that pan out than we do with all our marbles on a QB and no body to block for him and a D that gives up big plays like no ones business.

TheDeuce · 01-16-2006, 12:41 AM

All our marbles? That's one pick I believe. I think we would still have 5 other picks, including the 34th pick.

CheramieIII · 01-16-2006, 07:12 PM

HAHA, so you know that I never said anything about #1 picks right? And the truth shall set you free!

Hey Deuce, I was only talking about drinking man. Maybe you can meet Biloxi and I and we can all get drunk. I really don't care about being wrong just getting drunk every now and again.

TheDeuce · 01-16-2006, 07:47 PM

haha alright cher

We need to trade down and get as many picks as we can including trading most everyone on this team for picks... rebuild from the O-line and D. Amac start him this year and let him take the abuse until we have developed.

And about this silliness... we aren't going to trade all of these players for picks like people keep talking about because some of these guys, even if they aren't great, are just role players that every team needs. Also, our FO never makes these trades that seem to really upgrade the personnel...

Also, I believe our OLine can be REALLY good with some good coaching and some good health. Mayberry was a very good player in Philly. Bentley is a total stud. Brown has all of the gifts, but he just needs to be coached up. Then we have other guys that can be very good starters for us when somebody instills a little discipline and technique. I think the OLine has a lot of promise, and I think most of all, they need just to have some unity, and a sense of knowing who they're blocking next to. The Saints used like 10 different linemen last year at different positions every game. A little continuity will REALLY help to OLine.

I think our DLine is pretty good too. Obviously our DEs are amazing, especially with the emergence of the Manimal. I think Brian Young is still a very good, dependable starter at DT (didn't he lead the team in tackles?). I think if we added one more DT, then our DLine would be set.

There is no reason for AMac to play. He hasn't proven anything, and I think that if he was even close to being ready at the end of the season, then they probably would have thrown him in there. This guy apparently has shown nothing that made the coaches willing to put him in before Todd Bouman, and that's saying something. See how he does in the offseason, and then how he performs in a game situation in pre-season; then judge how game-ready he is. Right now tho, I still think he's a raw talent.

01-15-2006, 08:22 PM	#21
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: I will settle the argument! Since 1982, only 3 QBs have been taken at the #2 pick. Rick Mirer, Ryan Leaf, and Donovan McNabb. Leaf and Mirer are busts, McNabb is still top 5 in the league. All time, 15 QBs have been taken with the 2nd pick. These include McNabb, Joe Namath, Archie Manning, Y.A. Tittle, and Sid Luckman. 3 of those are Hall of Famers. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/twos
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01-15-2006, 08:24 PM	#22
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: I will settle the argument! Ok then if you said first rounders like I thought you said the first time. QB's drafted outside round one have won more superbowls than QB's drafted in the first round and only 5 of those QB's won 13 superbowls. I would rather spend the money on defense and draft a second round or later QB or none at all. Free Agency baby. Haha cher, you know our FO is too dumb! They'll pick up Testaverde or something! deuce you work for the government? that is just sick to me HELL NO! I'm a student. That's a nasty insult spk
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01-15-2006, 08:26 PM	#23
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: I will settle the argument! I'll buy it for you if and when Benson becomes stupid enough to throw his money away on Leinart. Never happen! and I like mine cold, real cold. Hey I am going to be down there in March maybe we can get together and I'll buy two cases and we can get drunk together. I don't mind losing as long as I have someone to drink with. HAHA, so you know that I never said anything about #1 picks right? And the truth shall set you free!
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lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	RE: I will settle the argument! So what If Leinert becomes the next Elway or Aikman. You ready to pass on that?

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: I will settle the argument! A qb is going to get a diddly poo. We need to trade down and get as many picks as we can including trading most everyone on this team for picks... rebuild from the O-line and D. Amac start him this year and let him take the abuse until we have developed. Leinart and yes even Young to much of a gamble picking this high. Stud QB gets you no wheres if you can't protect him or play D.

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01-15-2006, 10:19 PM	#26
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	RE: I will settle the argument! I love the Gamble theory. The entire Draft is a gamble. You don't know who will get or or eat the most burgers. I don't want to be chumped like arizona and keep trading away top picks and get nowhere. Take the gamble cause no one will fault us for picking any of the top three(young,bush,orleinert). At least we will have top talent. More picks equals more busts. How many picks from last draft stated for us besides our first rounder?

01-15-2006, 10:25 PM	#27
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: I will settle the argument! We stand a better shot with more picks to get some that pan out than we do with all our marbles on a QB and no body to block for him and a D that gives up big plays like no ones business.

01-16-2006, 12:41 AM	#28
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: I will settle the argument! All our marbles? That's one pick I believe. I think we would still have 5 other picks, including the 34th pick.
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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	RE: I will settle the argument! HAHA, so you know that I never said anything about #1 picks right? And the truth shall set you free! Hey Deuce, I was only talking about drinking man. Maybe you can meet Biloxi and I and we can all get drunk. I really don't care about being wrong just getting drunk every now and again.

01-16-2006, 07:47 PM	#30
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: I will settle the argument! haha alright cher We need to trade down and get as many picks as we can including trading most everyone on this team for picks... rebuild from the O-line and D. Amac start him this year and let him take the abuse until we have developed. And about this silliness... we aren't going to trade all of these players for picks like people keep talking about because some of these guys, even if they aren't great, are just role players that every team needs. Also, our FO never makes these trades that seem to really upgrade the personnel... Also, I believe our OLine can be REALLY good with some good coaching and some good health. Mayberry was a very good player in Philly. Bentley is a total stud. Brown has all of the gifts, but he just needs to be coached up. Then we have other guys that can be very good starters for us when somebody instills a little discipline and technique. I think the OLine has a lot of promise, and I think most of all, they need just to have some unity, and a sense of knowing who they're blocking next to. The Saints used like 10 different linemen last year at different positions every game. A little continuity will REALLY help to OLine. I think our DLine is pretty good too. Obviously our DEs are amazing, especially with the emergence of the Manimal. I think Brian Young is still a very good, dependable starter at DT (didn't he lead the team in tackles?). I think if we added one more DT, then our DLine would be set. There is no reason for AMac to play. He hasn't proven anything, and I think that if he was even close to being ready at the end of the season, then they probably would have thrown him in there. This guy apparently has shown nothing that made the coaches willing to put him in before Todd Bouman, and that's saying something. See how he does in the offseason, and then how he performs in a game situation in pre-season; then judge how game-ready he is. Right now tho, I still think he's a raw talent.
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