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Senior Bowl news & notes
Official weigh-in numbers taken from nfldraftcountdown.com:
This is the meat market where hundreds of scouts, coaches and personnel men gather in a ballroom and watch as each prospect is brought on stage in his shorts to be measured and weighed. The way to read the heights is as follows: The first number is "feet", the third number is inches and the final numbers represents "1/8 of an inch". For example, 6023 equates to 6-2 3/8, 6044 is 6-4 1/2, 5102 is 5-10 1/4 and so on. Quarterbacks • Brodie Croye, Alabama 6022 200 * Thin and looked like a regular guy. • Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 6027 223 * Looked big and solid. • Darrell Hackney, U.A.B. 5113 240 * Built and VERY cut. • Michael Robinson, Penn St. 6010 218 * Looked lean and athletic. • D.J. Shockley, Georgia 6006 205 * Looked thin and frail. • Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson 6042 216 * Was tall with an athletic build. Running Backs / Fullbacks • Joseph Addai, L.S.U. 5111 208 * Looked very solid. • Mike Bell, Arizona 6000 218 * Big and maybe a little soft. • Andre Hall, South Florida 5081 203 * Compact and sturdy. • Jerome Harrison, Washington St. 5091 196 * Looked very small and frail. • Cedric Humes, Virginia Tech 6002 227 * Looked big and strong. • Garrett Mills, Tulsa 6006 236 * Has a solid build. • Jerious Norwood, Mississippi St. 5113 205 * Was solid and cut. • Lawrence Vickers, Colorado 5117 239 * Looked big and sturdy. • Terrence Whitehead, Oregon 5096 213 * Sturdy and solid. • DeAngelo Williams, Memphis 5084 208 * Looked very strong and compact. Wide Receivers • Devin Aromashodu, Auburn 6021 202 * Looked a little slight. • Jason Avant, Michigan 6003 209 * Looked like he was strong. • Hank Baskett, New Mexico 6024 220 * Big, tall and cut. • Skyler Green, L.S.U. 5090 193 * Solid despite his height. • Derek Hagan, Arizona St. 6013 203 * Looked strong and very cut. • Anthony Mix, Auburn 6040 242 * Big, strong and sturdy. • Sinorice Moss, Miami (FL) 5077 183 * Small but solid and strong. • Martin Nance, Miami (OH) 6037 208 * Very tall, cut and athletic. • Ben Obomanu, Auburn 6003 202 * Solid and athletic. • Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame 6041 216 * Looked very big and lean. • Demetrius Williams, Oregon 6013 188 * Looked strong and cut. • Travis Wilson, Oklahoma 6011 208 * Very solid and strong. Tight Ends • Dominique Byrd, Southern Cal 6023 252 * Looked very soft. • Joe Klopfenstein, Colorado 6052 250 * Big, tall and cut. • Marcedes Lewis, U.C.L.A. 6057 254 * Tall and very athletic. • T.J. Williams, North Carolina St. 6021 261 * Solid and strong. Offensive Linemen • Will Allen, Texas 6046 318 * Looked a little soft. • Daryn Colledge, Boise St. 6040 295 * Long and very lean. • Ryan Cook, New Mexico 6061 332 * Real soft and flabby. • Mike Degory, Florida 6052 301 * Carries his weight well. • Cody Douglas, Tennessee 6043 317 * Flabby and very soft. • D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia 6054 297 * Tall and lean with long arms. • Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia 6035 358 * Huge and real soft. • Davin Joseph, Oklahoma 6022 304 * VERY solid. • Taitusi Lutui, Southern Cal 6031 338 * Not nearly as big as expected. • Nick Mangold, Ohio St. 6032 297 * Looked solid and sturdy. • Marcus McNeill, Auburn n/a n/a * NOT IN ATTENDANCE • Ryan O'Callaghan, California 6061 347 * Big but carries it very well. • Marvin Philip, California 6010 307 * Barrell chester. • Jonathan Scott, Texas 6061 310 * Very tall and a little flabby. • Mark Setterstrom, Minnesota 6032 313 * Big and slightly flabby. • Charles Spencer, Pittsburgh 6045 338 * Huge and pretty flabby. • Albert Toeaina, Tennessee 6047 338 * Big but carries his weight. • Jeremy Trueblood, Boston College 6077 316 * Tall and extremely lean. • Eric Winston, Miami (FL) 6063 302 * Lean and can easily add weight. Defensive Linemen • Victor Adeyanju, Indiana 6037 268 * Was huge and looked very strong. • Mark Anderson, Alabama 6037 254 * Looked lean and cut. • Brodrick Bunkley, Florida St. 6023 300 * Cut and carries his weight VERY well. • Elvis Dumervil, Louisville 5112 258 * Had a beer belly! • Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma 6024 301 * Solid and compact. • Tamba Hali, Penn St. 6022 267 * Looked extremely cut. • Parys Haralson, Tennessee 6007 250 * Small but cut. LB to me. • Orien Harris, Miami (FL) 6030 302 * Carries his weight well. • Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College 6052 262 * Tall with very long arms. • Manny Lawson, North Carolina St. 6050 240 * Tall, lean and athletic. • Jonathan Lewis, Virginia Tech 6007 304 * Has a fireplug build. • Jesse Mahelona, Tennessee 6000 311 * Looked a little flabby. • Babatunde Oshinowo, Stanford 6013 302 * Stout, solid and cut. • Darryl Tapp, Virginia Tech 6012 257 * Looked very strong and cut. • Gabe Watson, Michigan 6032 341 * Big, strong and athletic. • Kyle Williams, L.S.U. 6010 295 * Looked pretty soft. • Kamerion Wimbley, Florida St. 6033 245 * Solid and VERY cut. Linebackers • Jon Alston, Stanford 6001 218 * Small but built. • Chad Greenway, Iowa 6021 242 * Solid and very athletic. • Spencer Havner, U.C.L.A. 6027 239 * Looked lean and athletic. • Abdul Hodge, Iowa 5116 233 * Strong and solid w/barrell chest. • Thomas Howard, U.T.E.P. 6027 234 * Lean and extremely athletic. • Clint Ingram, Oklahoma 6013 240 * Strong, cut and athletic. • Brian Iwuh, Colorado 5115 227 * Looked like a LB to me. • D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland 6002 228 * Strong and very cut. • Freddie Roach, Alabama 6015 255 * Very thick and solid. • DeMeco Ryans, Alabama 6011 229 * Looked pretty thin. • Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech 6026 234 * Very solid and built. • Travis Williams, Auburn 5114 217 * Small but strong and cut. Defensive Backs • Jahmile Addae, West Virginia 5097 201 * Very solid and looked strong. • Will Blackmon, Boston College 5116 200 * Looked strong and athletic. • Greg Blue, Georgia 6017 220 * Solid build and very cut. • Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska 6004 209 * Very big and cut physically. • Cedric Griffin, Texas 6001 192 * Not very physically impressive. • Roman Harper, Alabama 5116 194 * Was not very cut. • Tye Hill, Clemson 5092 183 * Looked very strong and solid. • Marcus Hudson, North Carolina St. n/a n/a * ARRIVED LATE • Darrell Hunter, Miami (OH) 5116 205 * Looked strong and athletic. • Kelly Jennings, Miami (FL) 5105 171 * Frail but was pretty cut. • Tim Jennings, Georgia 5077 178 * Small but solid and cut. • DeMario Minter, Georgia 5110 189 * Frail and not real cut. • Anwar Phillips, Penn St. 5111 187 * Looked relatively strong. • David Pittman, Northwestern St. 5107 177 * Slight but athletic build. • Anthony Smith, Syracuse 5114 192 * Cut and pretty solid build. • Pat Watkins, Florida St. 6042 205 * Very tall but kind of thin. Kickers / Punters • Stephen Gostkowski, Memphis 6007 214 • Thomas Olmsted, Troy 6033 212 • John Torp, Colorado 6016 206 • Deric Yaussi, Wyoming 5112 197 |
RE: Senior Bowl news & notes
Few things....
1. I watched last year's Colorado bowl game against UTEP, I think it was the Alamo Bowl, and got to see that Klopfenstein kid. The guy made some of the sickest grabs I've ever seen a TE make. Wouldn't mind picking him up if he's impressive in the combine and still available in the later rounds. 2. Seems to be a lot of fairly good receivers in this draft, even if there isn't one huge playmaker. If Skyler, one of the three guys from Auburn, or a guy like Moss was there in a later round, I think we would have to consider taking one of them to give Leinart some more targets to throw to. (Also, Skyler and Moss could contribute on returns and are both very good on reverses). 3. Tons of linebacking depth here. Still think we go QB with #2, then take LB with #34. I think that would help our needs the most. 4. Tons of overall defensive talent this year. Think we could grab a very good guy for our secondary or DLine in the 4th or later. 5. I'm very excited for this draft. With a new coach and a new defensive coordinator, I believe that this franchise has a lot of promise. |
RE: Senior Bowl news & notes
sounds more like a beauty pagent than a real look at talent.
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RE: Senior Bowl news & notes
I don't think anybody said it was a "real look at talent." It's the first stage of a long process, and you start out at the most basic of examinations, a physical. It is good to hear whether or not some of these guys are cut and built, or flabby and soft.
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The main thing is you get an accurate look at how big the players really are. Colleges seem to add an inch or two and five to ten pounds to players. I remember when Roy Williams was a freshman wr at Texas. Texas listed him at 6'5 210 pounds. When he was finally measured at the combine, he checked in at 6'2. That is just one example of schools inflating a players measurables. Schools also go crazy with forty times. It should be mandatory that everyone work out at the combine.
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Interesting read. Thanks, Milians.
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Klopfenstein is my favorite tight end in this draft. I'm impressed TheDeuce... I'm surprised anyone even knew who the guy was. I was extremely impressed after watching him play all last year and I've been a fan of his ever since. I definately would not mind drafting him in the later rounds of the draft to back up Hilton. The guy has some nice hands and most importantly, he's a good blocker.
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Can you send me some information on the guy? I don't think I have any Colorado games except for the Texas-Colorado, and I'm afraid I might have already deleted it :jkool:
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Please forget those games... Colorado got mauled twice and Klop didn't do much if anything in those games. His best games were last year... he regressed this season. But from what I've seen of him, I think he's a good add. I don't really have any numbers on the guy... pretty much gotta wait until the combine.
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QB
• Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt 6027 223 * Looked big and solid. RB • Joseph Addai, L.S.U. 5111 208 * Looked very solid. WR • Hank Baskett, New Mexico 6024 220 * Big, tall and cut. • Martin Nance, Miami (OH) 6037 208 * Very tall, cut and athletic. • Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame 6041 216 * Looked very big and lean. OL • D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia 6054 297 * Tall and lean with long arms. • Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia 6035 358 * Huge and real soft. • Jonathan Scott, Texas 6061 310 * Very tall and a little flabby. • Eric Winston, Miami (FL) 6063 302 * Lean and can easily add weight. DL • Brodrick Bunkley, Florida St. 6023 300 * Cut and carries his weight VERY well. • Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma 6024 301 * Solid and compact. • Tamba Hali, Penn St. 6022 267 * Looked extremely cut. • Orien Harris, Miami (FL) 6030 302 * Carries his weight well. • Gabe Watson, Michigan 6032 341 * Big, strong and athletic. LB • Chad Greenway, Iowa 6021 242 * Solid and very athletic. • Spencer Havner, U.C.L.A. 6027 239 * Looked lean and athletic. • Thomas Howard, U.T.E.P. 6027 234 * Lean and extremely athletic. • D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland 6002 228 * Strong and very cut. • Freddie Roach, Alabama 6015 255 * Very thick and solid. • DeMeco Ryans, Alabama 6011 229 * Looked pretty thin. DB • Will Blackmon, Boston College 5116 200 * Looked strong and athletic. • Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska 6004 209 * Very big and cut physically. I would love to get a few of these guys, especially after drafting "The HawK". Just for your Deuce, now your turn to go off. |
From what I saw on NFL Network last night Jay Cutler had a strong showing yesterday and at least one analist had him rated above Leinart and Young. And at least he showed up.
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So far, breaking footage down from the game, a couple names that have stood out. Mike Hass - WR - Oregon State Vickiel Vaughn - S - Arkansas more to come.... :wink: |
Vickiel Vaughn went to my high school and played ball with my older brother. I've seen him play at both the high school and collegiate levels. The guy always seems to be around the ball, and he was definitely the leader of Arkansas' defense this last season. He is also one of the reasons why Arkansas almost pulled out the upset of LSU this season. THe guys is good. And he's kind of flying under the radar right now.
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I would love to see one of those top 5 OLBs waiting for us at the 34th pick (especially Howard or Carpenter, even if it's highly unlikely). However, Cher, most of those guys do look good. Few things... 1. I am scared of taking another player from UGA, just a bad feeling. (Jean-Gilles). Especially somebody's who labeled as soft and flabby (sound familiar???) 2'. D'Qwell Jackson is a complete stud, I would love to see the Saints show some interest in him. 3. Definitely don't think we need to waste one of our top two picks on a DE, no matter how good they are. I think that is the one position that we are set on. 4. Want to know more about Hank Baskett, Mr. Big, Tall and Cut. |
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Do you know how fast he is? I've been trying to find some 40 times, but may have to wait until the combine. |
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if that's the case, that's pretty damn good for a guy his size.
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Was Maylock thankyou, was late last night, and as for "trendy alternative", having watched all three play over the past two years he, he has by far the strongest arm, good size and durability with less talent around. Reminds me of Farve, and one is entitled to there opinion. He gives the best shot at a vertical passing game. If the playbook is going to be swing passes and 15 yard slants than Lienart is a better option, but I don't see Roger Craig or Jerry Rice on the depth chart.
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Not sure about recent times. Ran a 4.4 when he got to Arkansas, but that was before he packed on about 30 pounds of muscle. Probably slowed him down a bit, but he probably runs 4.45-4.5 range.
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That one analyst from the NFL network's senior bowl coverage is all over Cutler. I think he is taking it too far by calling Cutler the number one QB in the draft. I would take Cutler in the second round but not in the first. I have watched him play for years at Vandy, and I just wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a first round pick. The analyst was taking every chance to kiss his ass throughout the telecast. I'm not trying to bash Cutler, but I just don't think he is worth a first round pick.
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That's Mayock for you. I trust his judgement more than I do Kiper's.
What Kiper does, that Mayock doesn't, is take into account where players should fall in the draft. Hard for me to explain, as Mayock will tell you what he thinks about an individual players, standards be damned. |
Hardly an expert but being from Jersey and having to watch the Giants and Cowboys way to much, (Don't get me wrong have not missed more than 4 Saints games in 6 Years)where he was both OC and QB coach, (although having the reighns pulled from him in NJ) down the field throwers seem to thrive under his offense. I don't have time to go searching for stats but recollection would be that both offenses streached the field and all the quarter backs under both systems, Collins, Bledsoe, and even cokehead (Carter was it) before him in Dallas had better than average arms so, I would say of the three top options at QB in the draft:
I must predicate this first by saying I would agree that Leinart may be the one most ready to start (This Year), but not without a vast improved line and running game. And I do not believe any of the three will see playing time to start the season. However, if we are to look say to 2007 and beyond. I would say Cutler would be the better choice for the team and system that will more likley by in place. He has the big time arm can read defenses and is mobile, Vince Young is my second choice, He can through and contrary to popular opinion was the most recent memory the most accurate passer in college, this year. He has an arm that can get the ball downfield and has the ability to break tackles and make plays happen with his feet. Leinart would be third. He needs outlets and floats the ball. Chad Pennington had one good year and his arm is as weak if not weaker than Pennigtons. With a true west coast offense similar to say the Sea Pigeons up there in Seattle where he need not spend time in the pocket and get hit he would be a very successful quarterback, but I don't thing he would last long going against the Defenses in the NFC South for to long twice a year. And like I said just an opinion. |
I don't think his arm is weaker than Pennington's. But we shall see.
Bledsoe threw almost 90% of his passes within 30 yards of the line of scrimmage last year, which means, they threw on average about 2-3 long balls a game. You know by seeing the Cowboy games that they like to run alot of two tight end sets, which could explain alot of this. I just don't see where one QB would have a distinct advantage over another. And right now, all things considered, I'll stick with Lienart on my selection. I could be wrong, he could be the next Ryan Leaf, but that's the way the draft rolls, and I feel that his intelligence of the game is what edges him from his peers. |
Your entitled to your opinion and only time will tell. I just was never impressed, due to all the weapons he had and the offensive line blocking that gave hime the time to make the read/reads against arguably the worst defenses in the nation in the PAC 10. I just don't see how he fits in with the current talent and without the Dan Marino release with the bum knee. I guess I am more impressed with a guy thats able to perform with less.
Where the offense is conserned the numbers may be 90% for Bledsoe not sure, but the treat of the deep ball was always there and they did stretch the field with deep outs and seam passes in the 20 to 30 yard range. Collins did that quite often as a Giant as well as Quincy Carter (anyone from Texas will corect me here I am sure)and arm strength as well as accuracy dictate those receptions. The floaters have a tendancy to get picked a little more in the NFL. But personnally I'd rather see a LB or LT taken with a trade down scenerio. |
He could be right about Cutler, you never know. He is entitled to his opinions and I respect his opinions. I just don't agree with this one. All of the so-called draft "experts" are wrong from time to time. Remember Kiper's opinions on Chris Spielman? He was way off. For my money the most accurate draft guide comes from Pro Football Weekly. Kiper, to me, is a close second. Cutler could end up being just as good as Leinart or Young, I just wouldn't be as comfortable drafting him in the first round. From what I've seen of the NFL Network's coverage of practice this week, Whitehurst looks as good if not better than Cutler. If I am investing first round money in a QB this year, give me Leinart or Young. Everyone else can wait till at least round two.
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Leinart & Bobby Carpenter
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i thnk stovall will be good in the nfl. he probably learned a lot this year. he is tall and strong.
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If we have to go QB then LB I say trade down about 4 spots and still get Cutler with about 8 to 10 other draft picks and maybe a veteran QB to boot. The we can take Sims, Jackson or Carpenter at #34. You have alot more chances to get good picks with 15 then you do with 7.
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I love the idea Cherm (as much as I like Leinart), but no one will give us that much. Only our GMs are that stupid.
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