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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Brodie Croyle Passing YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD INT 2002 ALA 60 123 48.8 1046 8.5 5 5 2003 ALA 182 341 53.4 2303 6.8 16 13 2004 ALA 44 66 66.7 534 8.1 6 0 2005 ...

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Old 01-27-2006, 01:51 PM   #1
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Quarterbacks: Stats Alone

Brodie Croyle
Passing
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD INT
2002 ALA 60 123 48.8 1046 8.5 5 5
2003 ALA 182 341 53.4 2303 6.8 16 13
2004 ALA 44 66 66.7 534 8.1 6 0
2005 ALA 202 339 59.6 2499 7.4 14 4
TOTAL 488 869 56.2 6382 7.3 41 22 or 3%
Rushing
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 ALA 38 -2 -0.1 3 0 0 0
2003 ALA 72 8 0.1 0 0 0 0
2004 ALA 9 -27 -3.0 0 0 0 0
2005 ALA 64 -156 -2.4 1 0 0 0
TOTAL 183 -177 -0.9 4 0 0 0

Jay Cutler
Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS PCT AVG TD INT
2002 103 212 1433 48.6 6.76 10 9
2003 187 327 2347 57.2 7.18 18 13
2004 147 241 1844 61.0 7.65 10 5
2005 273 462 3073 59.1 6.65 21 9
TOTAL 710 1242 8697 57.2 7.00 59 35 or 2.8%
Rushing
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG TD FD FUM LOST
2002 VAN 123 393 3.2 9 0 0 0
2003 VAN 115 299 2.6 1 0 0 0
2004 VAN 109 349 3.2 6 0 0 0
2005 VAN 106 215 2.0 1 0 0 0
TOTAL 453 1256 2.7 17 0 0 0

Matt Leinart
Passing
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT YDS PCT AVG TD INT
2003 USC 255 402 3556 63.4 8.8 38 9
2004 USC 269 412 3322 65.3 8.1 33 6
2005 USC 283 431 3815 65.7 8.9 28 8
TOTAL 807 1245 10693 64.8 8.6 99 23 or 1.8%
Rushing
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 USC 32 -62 -1.9 0 0 0 0
2004 USC 49 -44 -0.9 3 0 0 0
2005 USC 51 36 0.7 6 0 0 0
TOTAL 132 -70 -0.5 9 0 0 0

Vince Young
Passing
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT YDS PCT AVG TD INT
2003 TEX 84 143 1155 58.7 8.1 6 7
2004 TEX 148 250 1849 59.2 7.4 12 11
2005 TEX 212 325 3036 65.2 9.3 26 10
TOTAL 444 718 6040 61.8 8.4 44 28 or 3.9%
Rushing
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 TEX 135 998 7.4 11 0 0 0
2004 TEX 167 1079 6.5 14 0 0 0
2005 TEX 155 1050 6.8 12 0 0 0
TOTAL 457 3127 6.8 37 0 0 0

Omar Jacobs
Passing
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT YDS PCT AVG TD INT
2003 BGSU 19 28 345 67.9 12.3 4 0
2004 BGSU 309 462 4002 66.9 8.7 41 4
2005 BGSU 195 321 2591 60.7 8.1 26 7
TOTAL 523 811 6938 64.5 8.5 71 11 or 1.4%
Rushing
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 BGSU 18 89 4.9 2 0 0 0
2004 BGSU 95 300 3.2 4 0 0 0
2005 BGSU 40 62 1.6 1 0 0 0
TOTAL 153 451 3.0 7 0 0 0
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Old 01-27-2006, 01:55 PM   #2
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RE: Quarterbacks: Stats Alone

the format didn't come across exactly how i would like, but i think you guys and gals are smart enough to figure it out. under INT i put the total number of INT and the percentage of INT they throw.

looking at only stats is not the best way to judge a QB, but it does give another criteria in which to judge.

Leinart seems to be BY FAR the best passer
Young seems to be BY FAR the best runner
Croyle and Young are both right there at being the worst passer
Croyle is the worst runner
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Old 01-27-2006, 02:32 PM   #3
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Haha so no Croyle. VY can throw, but he's not nearly on the same plane as Leinart and Cutler. Cutler also only threw over 60% completion one time in four years. Leinart never went below 63%. He also never threw for less than 3300 yards. Leinart's running stats have also gotten better each year, as he racked up 6 rushing touchdowns last season. I think that shows he has become very comfortable with when to get out of the pocket and run. People can compare his running stats to VY's, but VY was in a more run-first pass-second kind of offense. Leinart was only supposed to throw when he had to.

And for all of you Omar Jacobs fans, even though he was hurt for a few games this last season, his yards went way down, his touchdowns went way down, his interceptions went up, and his completion percentage went way down. No thank you, I"ll pass.
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Old 01-27-2006, 02:36 PM   #4
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RE: Quarterbacks: Stats Alone

to be very honest, i mignt rank omar jacobs above vince young as an overall qb.

1)Leinart
2)Jacobs
3)Cutler
4)Young
I would not even consider drafting Croyle. I might sign him as an undrafted free agent, a big might.
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Old 01-27-2006, 03:05 PM   #5
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good research jergensi. I've been a Leinart man this entire time, and the numbers make me feel more comfortable with my decission. Coming from a pro-style offense and wiith a TD to Int ratio that is very impressive, he'd be the best fit for a Head Coach that has had the last four starting QBs all pass for over 3000yards a season.
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Old 01-27-2006, 03:07 PM   #6
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When evaluating one must look at the supporting talent pool on the team and then look at what was done with that pool, and against what defences?

Leinart would do real well on the 80's niners teams, somehow on the 2005 saints he would have looked worst than Bowman
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Old 01-27-2006, 03:20 PM   #7
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That's the nice thing. He'll be playing (if drafted) with the 2006 Saints. We have no idea what that will really look like. So many questions to be answered.

Can Duece return to 03 form?
Can this new HC get the OL troubles sorted out?
Can our receivers actually remember thier job is to CATCH the ball?
Can our D go from middle of the pack to top ten?

That's what is SO GREAT about right now. We can hope and pray and speculate about the coming season. As fans we can either look at the history of the team and boo hoo about how this next team will suck. Or go into it with a clear prospective and hope this new HC can turn alot around. Is this a 7-9 team, or a 10-6, or even an amazing 13-3? We won't know. But it's going to be great to see what comes.
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Old 01-27-2006, 03:24 PM   #8
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Your guys watch Croyle is going to suprise you all. I bet everything you guys are saying about Croyle they said about i don't know Jake Delhomme and Tom Brady. I'm sure that there are plenty of other QBs that people have said won't amount to a hill of beans and have turned out to be MVPs for their team.
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Old 01-27-2006, 03:33 PM   #9
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Yes it will be great like I've said else where the past three years the last place team in the NFC South has won the Division. So lets hope history repeats itself.

My point was the guy has proven he clould win with one of the greatest essmbled cast of offenses put to gether in College against some of the worst defenses. That being said it is hard to compare his stats across to others. He definitly does not lack heart that is not the concern, his mobility and arm strength may not translate well thats all. But let the debate continue until well you knw.
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Old 01-27-2006, 05:39 PM   #10
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You can't judge a college quarterback strictly by stats. If that were the case, then Carson Palmer didn't deserve to be drafted first overall. His senior year was his only "good" one. Looking at his overall body of work at USC, you could make the argument that he was an averege college quarterback.
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