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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs ....load up on draft picks loaded with speed Yeah, that's worked out well for us the last few drafts....

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Old 02-21-2006, 01:40 PM   #71
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....load up on draft picks loaded with speed
Yeah, that's worked out well for us the last few drafts.

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Old 02-21-2006, 02:30 PM   #72
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Hey ghandi. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not (which I don't mind either way..;0) I believe in the Jimmy Johnson model. When he was hired to coach the Cowboys the first thing he did was stock up his defense with speed. Did it work? I remember that year even though we had the Dome Patrol defense it was JJ's defense that was ranked number one in the league. That's right a no-name defense loaded with extremely fast rookies and FA's. Well...after a few years we all saw what the Cowboy's did throughout the 90's. We need picks, picks, and more picks, so we can acquire, speed, speed, and yes....MORE SPEED!

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Old 02-21-2006, 02:59 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
Hey ghandi. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not (which I don't mind either way..;0) I believe in the Jimmy Johnson model. When he was hired to coach the Cowboys the first thing he did was stock up his defense with speed. Did it work? I remember that year even though we had the Dome Patrol defense it was JJ's defense that was ranked number one in the league. That's right a no-name defense loaded with extremely fast rookies and FA's. Well...after a few years we all saw what the Cowboy's did throughout the 90's. We need picks, picks, and more picks, so we can acquire, speed, speed, and yes....MORE SPEED!
Yes, I must admit I was being sarcastic. LOL. You see, we did this same thing under Haslett the last few years in both the draft & free agency: Courtney Watson, Tebucky Jones, etc... The only problem: None of these guys can tackle or cover. You have to have guys who read the field well, tackle solidly, & cover well. Speed, though an added bonus, is not always the answer. Here are some examples: Ty Law- great cover corner, but not a blazer as opposed to some other CB's. Tedy Bruschi- great LB w/ great field vision & solid tackling-not that fast. Rodney Harrison- Again, not that fast, but great in coverage & a solid tackler. These three guys also played on the same team that won 3 Super Bowls. The Patriots saw this method worked. So should we. Though speed has become the main focus of the league, it doesn't necessarily help you win championships. Here's another fact: The best receiver to ever play the game, Jerry Rice, was considered slow by NFL standards (4.69 forty time). I don't even have to say how his career worked out.

P.S.- That Cowboys team you mentioned weren't all no-namers. The year they were #1, there were future Hall of Famers on that team by the names of Ken Norton, Jr. & "Prime Time" Deion Sanders.

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Old 02-21-2006, 03:39 PM   #74
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Ghandi... I see your point.....and according to your point of view then the problem Haslett did have was not the players but it was the coaching. It takes a good coach to teach a fast player how to read the field better.
Last note....Deion was still a Falcon that year and Ken Norton was only in his second year(I think...I know he was still very young during that year.) The key word is FUTURE Hall of Famer. If payton has hired a good group...then I don't see why we can't acheieve the same results that the Cowboys of the 90's did. SPEEEEEEEEED! I'm out...;0)

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Old 02-21-2006, 06:52 PM   #75
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Kitna aint the answer...AB isnt either
Its Matt Leinart............
What's the question?

Quick quiz: Who is the last Top-3 QB pick to lead their team to a winning record as a starter in their rookie season?

Big Ben was a #11 pick. Look elsewhere.

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I never said that he would be like big ben .............. damn............
but i do think we will be in the running for the playoffs........ maybe.........
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Old 02-22-2006, 03:19 PM   #76
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Kitna aint the answer...AB isnt either
Its Matt Leinart............
What's the question?

Quick quiz: Who is the last Top-3 QB pick to lead their team to a winning record as a starter in their rookie season?

Big Ben was a #11 pick. Look elsewhere.

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I never said that he would be like big ben .............. damn............
Leinart has to be your answer to some question. I'm just trying to figure out what the question is?

Please explain how Leinart is going to bring as much value to the Saints as trading down for multiple, and presumably productive picks.

I just want to see what more Leinart is other than the safe conservative pick that everyone expects the Saints to make.

but i do think we will be in the running for the playoffs........ maybe.........
Well then we're back to my original question: what top 3 rookie QB had a winning record in their rookie season. And in order for it to be meaningful let's limit the entries to QBs who started a minimum of 8 games.

The Saints have three consecutive 10 win seasons and a SB championship.

I can hardly believe this happened in my lifetime.
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Old 02-22-2006, 04:32 PM   #77
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How many "Starting QB's" have left one team and become successful in their first year with another?
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:01 PM   #78
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How many "Starting QB's" have left one team and become successful in their first year with another?
How many QBs have been marginal under on coaching regime and flourished under a successor?

Lots of questions. I'm not too sure there are any sure answers beyond the fact that rookie QBs at the very top of draft are are rarely successful early in their careers. I know quite well that's due to the team that the QB is drafted to.

Even if Leinart is the guy, it's going to be 2-3 years before his talent comes to bear. So the question is that potential talent worth picking?

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Old 02-22-2006, 06:40 PM   #79
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There have been some QB's picked in the top of their perspective draft classes that did well in their first years. Do the names Montana, Elway, or Marino ring any bells? If I'm not mistaken, Marino took the Dolphins to the Super Bowl in his first season. Though most take a season or two before becoming stars, I think Leinart will upgrade the QB position for us as a rookie simply by playing smarter than what Brooks has. Not to mention, this guy knows how to lead his receivers & can actually learn an entire playbook.
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Playbook was not cut...Verbage was cut. Just cause the man can't speak right or look at film is no reason to poke fun.
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