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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; You guys can't be serious. Getting rid of Brooks for late-round pics? Hell no!! Anyone who will take him will understand the circumstances from last year and see that he is more valuable that a late pick. I hope the ...

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Old 02-09-2006, 12:02 PM   #21
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You guys can't be serious. Getting rid of Brooks for late-round pics? Hell no!! Anyone who will take him will understand the circumstances from last year and see that he is more valuable that a late pick. I hope the Saints push for it if they are going to let him go. Personally, I don't think AB is the sole reason for our failures. This team has a bunch of holes that need fixin. I still feel that AB can thrive under a new offensive system. Especially west coast. He is good at rolling out and good at the short pass game. I dunno....maybe I am just more forgiving than most.
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Old 02-09-2006, 01:37 PM   #22
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I agree with Jeebs
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AB sucked before "this year's circumstances." Anyone recall the backwards pass? The underhanded pass to a linebacker? Leading the league in red zone turnovers? Leading the league in lost fumbles? Why would anyone want that clown again in any system?
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Do you also remember the year he threw 24 TD's and only 8 INT's? The man has his pros as well as his cons. In all the years I have been watching Brooks one thing I noticed was that Haslett did not use his talents appropriately. I honestly feel that he can thrive under a new system. And lets not forget that the "clown" is the only QB in Saints' history with a playoff win. No other Saints QB can add that to their resume. All I am saying is....if we really have to let him go...then we BETTER get something damn well worth it.

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Old 02-09-2006, 03:43 PM   #25
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Yeah, but that was 3 seasons ago, and if you want to look at the stats look at this year because that is what matters. He threw only 13 TD's and 17 INT's. Maybe if they ignore all of the bad stuff, we can get a family-size bag of Bar-B-Que Fritos instead of settling for the snack-size, and some dip, too!

Side note: That wonderful season that you speak of from three years back, you left out that he fumbled the ball 14 times. 14 'bleeping' times!
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Old 02-09-2006, 04:34 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
Do you also remember the year he threw 24 TD's and only 8 INT's? The man has his pros as well as his cons. In all the years I have been watching Brooks one thing I noticed was that Haslett did not use his talents appropriately. I honestly feel that he can thrive under a new system. And lets not forget that the "clown" is the only QB in Saints' history with a playoff win. No other Saints QB can add that to their resume. All I am saying is....if we really have to let him go...then we BETTER get something damn well worth it.
Dude, you're channeling me! Let me be the first to point out though that Brooks lost 11 fumbles that season.

I presume that Brooks has no roster bonuses or anything like that. If that's the case and the Saints do plan to release him, it won't be until after June 1, where the cap hit is spread over 2 years. So he'll only be $2-2.5 million in dead money in 2006 and 2007.

I also think its unlikely anyone will trade for him. All bets are he'll be a free agent in June. So why give up something now (or April) when you can simply wait six weeks and negotiate free and clear without having to give up anything?

I do find it interesting that Payton hasn't really addressed the subject at all. Does anyone knows what he thinks about Brooks?

We'll get better clues on draft day, mini camps (we get an extra one), and June 1st. The logical progression is that we draft a QB in the #2 slot in April, the guy practices with the 1st team in the mini camps, and Brooks is cut June 1.

All of which BTW I agree with. While Brooks certainly isn't as terrible as everyone makes him out to be, he's not worth $6-$7 million that are the last two years of his contract either.

Personally if I were Payton and Loomis, I'd be trying to get the guy to sign a cheap, cap friendly contract with the promise that he can compete for the starting job in 2006 on a level field with the annointed rookie. Call it a cheap insurance policy.

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Old 02-09-2006, 04:47 PM   #27
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OK, I'm konfused about the bonus and how it hits the cap. I know, we paid Brooks at least 1 bonus, and I know there was a 2nd bonus in the package to be paid somewhere. I don't know if we paid the 2nd or not. Anyway, if AB's bonus $ were 10 mil, wouldn't that 10 be spread across the life of the contract(depending on how they structured the deal, usually back loaded)? He signed a 5 year(?) contract and we are cutting him after year 3(?) the amount of the bonus is accelerated to this year, unless cut after 1 June, and you get to split the bonus. So IF AB's bonus was 10 mil paid in year 1, but split accross the length of the contract paid so, assuming the following about his BONUS ONLY:

year 1 = 1mil,
year 2 = 1mil,
year 3 = 2 mil,
year 4 = 2 mil,
year 5 = 4 mil.

Since we cut him after year 3, we would have a $6million cap hit?


I know, the actual dollars are different and the amounts in each year too, but is the theory correct?
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Old 02-09-2006, 05:14 PM   #28
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OK, I'm konfused about the bonus and how it hits the cap. I know, we paid Brooks at least 1 bonus, and I know there was a 2nd bonus in the package to be paid somewhere. I don't know if we paid the 2nd or not. Anyway, if AB's bonus $ were 10 mil, wouldn't that 10 be spread across the life of the contract(depending on how they structured the deal, usually back loaded)? He signed a 5 year(?) contract and we are cutting him after year 3(?) the amount of the bonus is accelerated to this year, unless cut after 1 June, and you get to split the bonus. So IF AB's bonus was 10 mil paid in year 1, but split accross the length of the contract paid so, assuming the following about his BONUS ONLY:

year 1 = 1mil,
year 2 = 1mil,
year 3 = 2 mil,
year 4 = 2 mil,
year 5 = 4 mil.

Since we cut him after year 3, we would have a $6million cap hit?
No.The bonus is equally spread over the years no matter how it's paid out. If he was paid $10 mil in bonusus, then it's $2 mil a year. So after3 years $4 mill would be owed. It can be split across two years. It's dead money that's already been paid but still counts against the cap for those years.

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Old 02-09-2006, 06:09 PM   #29
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RE: Re: RE: Greenbay May Want AB!

he wants young bwahahahahahahahahh bwhahahahhah Man just get brooks out .......... get him gone not even back up qb on new orleans he has to leave...............
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RE: Re: RE: Greenbay May Want AB!

Favre has stated in interviews he will not play his last season anywhere but GB, Simply put guys I'd love to see but you can hang that dream up, it aint gonna happen....The word on the Favre rogers thing is that Favre does not like him and does not like the fact that GB drfted a qb so high...He said he would not teach Rogers anything and he hasn't...favre however for the last three season has taught another qb, Craig Nall...When Nall got playing time two seasons ago when they got blownout or were blowing out someone else Favre watched the game with a big smile on his face and talked to nall from the sideline...When Rogers played in the preseason and sparingly during the season...he wasn't watching

Favre aint comin'...If we trade down...pray we can get someone better than Kitna, Volek, or even Culpepper

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