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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Favre aint comin'...If we trade down...pray we can get someone better than Kitna, Volek, or even Culpepper You don't think any of these QB's would do better than Brooks? Hell my sister, who actually has hair on her back will ...

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Old 02-09-2006, 09:07 PM   #31
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Favre aint comin'...If we trade down...pray we can get someone better than Kitna, Volek, or even Culpepper
You don't think any of these QB's would do better than Brooks? Hell my sister, who actually has hair on her back will be the QB for 23.50 an hour and do alot better job.
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Old 02-10-2006, 08:10 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
Do you also remember the year he threw 24 TD's and only 8 INT's? The man has his pros as well as his cons. In all the years I have been watching Brooks one thing I noticed was that Haslett did not use his talents appropriately. I honestly feel that he can thrive under a new system. And lets not forget that the "clown" is the only QB in Saints' history with a playoff win. No other Saints QB can add that to their resume. All I am saying is....if we really have to let him go...then we BETTER get something damn well worth it.
.. so?

...go check Mark Rypien's stats in 1991... they're awesome... got ring...
... or Jeff George... any year...
... Trent Dilfer.. got ring...

..you can spew all of the stats you want, and the "he's the onb;u QB with a playoff win" thing - because, of course, he won it all by himself, right? -

The fact of the matter is that NO QB IN NFL HISTORY has gotten the treatment and opportunities to succeed that Brooks has.
Name me ONE 1st round pick that has stayed a starter with a team for 5 YEARS with the same results. You may find one or two before 1990, because there was no free agency back then, but still...
Name me ONE QB who's team has cut the playbook in half and dumbed down the terminology to cater to the QB's intelligence.
Name me ONE QB who's been sent to leadership classes.
Name me ONE TEAM that has attempted to bring in Montana to teach the QB to be a QB...

Now, I don't doubt that you'll find one or two examples of the above if you dig dep enough, but I can guarantee you that you will not find ONE QB who has benefitted from all of the above.
Brooks has had the opportunity to shine...
...he's never been afraid of losing his job because there's never been competition any camp. Rememeber Boumann saying he only gets snaps with the practice squad? Remember Blake not playing with the 1st team in preseason? Remember jake not coming in in 2002?
...he's had talent around him - all of those 24 TD catches didn't exactly hit receivers in the numbers... matter of fact, you can accuse Brooks of a lot of things, but you can't ever accuse him of hitting someone in the numbers, unless those are the numbers on the back of the receivers..

..how many more changes can a QB get just because he's got a strong arm?

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Old 02-10-2006, 09:37 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
Do you also remember the year he threw 24 TD's and only 8 INT's? The man has his pros as well as his cons. In all the years I have been watching Brooks one thing I noticed was that Haslett did not use his talents appropriately. I honestly feel that he can thrive under a new system. And lets not forget that the "clown" is the only QB in Saints' history with a playoff win. No other Saints QB can add that to their resume. All I am saying is....if we really have to let him go...then we BETTER get something damn well worth it.
Um, do you know that year he led the league in lost fumbles? Had 4 in a loss to Tamps, 2 when noone touched him. He's a buffoon. He needs to go on the first thing smoking out da 504.
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Old 02-10-2006, 09:57 AM   #34
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Never hitting recievers in the numbers? C'mon....now you are just talking out of frustration. Brooks always hit the numbers. Both recievers and defensive backs...LOL. Seriously though....how do you know they simplified the playbook for HIM? Second....I'm glad you mentioned Rypien and Dilfer because they both prove my point....it takes much more than a QB to win. It sounds to me like you feel that AB is the primary source of our problems and thats a load of crap. If the Saints were leading the league in DROPPED passes and FALSE STARTS...is that AB's fault? So lets get Peyton Manning....lets lead the league in DROPPED passes again...so we can all say.... its all Manning's fault! WTF?? Brooks for the most part has played good enough to win. Blocked field goals over here.....fumbles over there.....bad tackling on defense...missed field goals...sure...its AALLL AB's fault. Kitna?? Why don't we get Charlie Batch while we are at it?
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Old 02-10-2006, 10:16 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
Seriously though....how do you know they simplified the playbook for HIM?
Answer: http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...05/Preview.htm

Saints' preview

By Mike Triplett
Aug. 29, 2005


The Saints made few offseason additions to a defense that ranked 32nd in the NFL last year. Instead, New Orleans is counting on several changes it made midway through the 2004 campaign that helped the team win its final four games and just miss the playoffs with an 8-8 record.

FS Dwight Smith was the only major free-agent signing on defense. The Saints are expecting him to be a presence and a difference-maker in the secondary — much like LCB Mike McKenzie, whom the team acquired in a trade with Green Bay last October. The team loves what it has seen from both players so far, and the secondary is the most improved unit on the team.

The Saints have skewed younger on defense. RCB Fakhir Brown, DLT Howard Green, MLB Courtney Watson, WLB Colby Bockwoldt and SLB James Allen are all expected to resume the starting jobs they earned during different points last year. The team released former starters S Tebucky Jones, CB Ashley Ambrose, LB Orlando Ruff and LB Derrick Rodgers.

Run stopping continues to be a sticking point for this unit. But if the Saints can get better on first and second downs, then they can really make things happen on 3rd-and-long with that improved secondary and a terrific trio of DEs (Darren Howard, Charles Grant and Will Smith).

The Saints’ offense looks pretty familiar as well, but the attitude has changed slightly. Under new offensive coordinator Mike Sheppard, the team has simplified the playbook and terminology and will emphasize the run game more than ever before. That’s not a bad idea with its franchise player, RB Deuce McAllister, having recently signed a seven-year contract extension.

New Orleans added free-agent ORG Jermane Mayberry, then drafted ORT Jammal Brown with the 13th pick in the first round to shore up the running game. The Saints thought long and hard about drafting OLB Thomas Davis with that pick, but they felt Brown could be a foundation of their offense for years to come and haven’t regretted the pick one bit so far.

WR Az-Zahir Hakim was added late in free agency to compete for the No. 3 receiver job that was vacated by free agent Jerome Pathon in the offseason. The team also added backup RB Antowain Smith and is deeper than ever before at every offensive skill position.

Speculation will again be rampant that this is a make-or-break season for head coach Jim Haslett, who last reached the playoffs in 2000. Over the last four years, the Saints have gone 7-9, 9-7, 8-8 and 8-8.

Optimism is high this year with so many pieces in place. But a leap to 10-6 won’t be easy in a division that also includes Atlanta and Carolina.
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Old 02-10-2006, 10:27 AM   #36
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MJF....I know they simplified the playbook..LOL. I'm asking did they do it for Brooks' specifically?
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The guy has been responsible for 100 turnovers in just 77 games. That's 78 INTs and 22 Fumbles - LOST. That's not counting the fact that he put the ball on the ground an additional 54 times. Him, alone. The best thing for both parties (that includes Brooks) is to part ways completely. Let him move on and let the team look toward the future, with a quarterback of the future.
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Originally Posted by mjf150
The guy has been responsible for 100 turnovers in just 77 games. That's 78 INTs and 22 Fumbles - LOST. That's not counting the fact that he put the ball on the ground an additional 54 times. Him, alone. The best thing for both parties (that includes Brooks) is to part ways completely. Let him move on and let the team look toward the future, with a quarterback of the future.
How could it be any clearer? TURNOVERS and MENTAL MISTAKES are not coaching. Those are players faults. I am 100% sure Haslett and Co didn't coach Brooks to make stupid mistakes like turning the ball over, and running 25 yards back wards on scrambles. You can have any offense you want, an inconsistent QB will kill it. If they knew going into every game what they were gonna get from AB, this would be alot more successful team whether he turned the ball over or not. But you can't, cause AB is so maddeningly inconsistent you never know what you are gonna get. Just let the clown ride. It's best for everyone.
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The fact of the matter is that NO QB IN NFL HISTORY has gotten the treatment and opportunities to succeed that Brooks has.
Name me ONE 1st round pick that has stayed a starter with a team for 5 YEARS with the same results. You may find one or two before 1990, because there was no free agency back then, but still...
Kordell Stewart got 6 seasons with the Steelers.

Name me ONE QB who's team has cut the playbook in half and dumbed down the terminology to cater to the QB's intelligence.
Michael Vick, Steve McNair (with the Norm Chow offense), Rob Johnson (with Buffalo), Eli Manning. Hard to justify after 5 years starting in the same offense though.

Name me ONE QB who's been sent to leadership classes.
Name me ONE TEAM that has attempted to bring in Montana to teach the QB to be a QB...
Can't answer that one, but it seems like lots of teams buy into the "mentoring" thing for younger QB's. But the point is well made.

Now, I don't doubt that you'll find one or two examples of the above if you dig dep enough, but I can guarantee you that you will not find ONE QB who has benefitted from all of the above.
Outstanding point.

Brooks has had the opportunity to shine...
I agree.
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Old 02-10-2006, 11:10 AM   #40
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First, BMG, why are you defending Brooks? Second, Kordell Stewart was with the Steelers for 8 not 6 seasons, he only played a full 16 games 6 times. Is that what you mean? Third, in those 8 seasons he played 114 games, that's 37 games LESS than AB, and he still threw less INTs (72) and had FEWER lost Fumbles (13). If you break it down per game, it gets worse. AB turnovers rate is 1.298 per game, while Stewart's was 0.745 - much, much less than Brooks.

So, in fact his results, are much better than Brooks, which would justify why he stayed around longer.
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