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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I don't disagree with ya mjf...if its a new start he needs then its all good. But I can't deal when people blame our failures on one guy. Its a completely unrealistic view. If thats the case then I am ...

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Old 02-24-2006, 12:28 PM   #61
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I don't disagree with ya mjf...if its a new start he needs then its all good. But I can't deal when people blame our failures on one guy. Its a completely unrealistic view. If thats the case then I am going to start walking around town here in Miami and claim that Dan Marino was pathetic and he did not win one because it was all his fault. As good as Marino was, there was a time when the Dolphins lineup looked and played a lot like the Saints lineup does now....we went 6-10, 8-8..so on and so on. DAN MARINO....6 - 10 and this was during his prime too. That Dolphins team had no running back and a terrible defense. If Dan Marino could not succeed with that kind of environment what the hell makes anyone think that AB should have?

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Old 02-24-2006, 12:45 PM   #62
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That's a terrible analogy. Not even close to the same thing. Marino put up phenominal numbers. Brooks has no right to be mentioned in the same post as Marino. Actually, a better one would be to blame whoever was the RB's for the reason that Miami never won it all. Here are some of Marinos records stats:

Records:
Most Attempts, Career: 8,358
Most Completions, Career: 4,967
Most Yards Passing, Career: 61,361
Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 420
Most Passing Yards, Season: 5,084 in 1984
Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Career: 13
Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Season: 4 in 1984
Most Games, 300 or more Yards Passing, Career: 60
Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Career: 21
Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Season: 6 in 1984
Most Consecutive Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes: 4 in 1984
Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season: 2.03 in 1983 (296-6)
Most Seasons Leading League, Attempts: 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most Seasons Leading League, Completions: 6 (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most Seasons, 40 or more Touchdown Passes: 2 (1984, 1986)
Most Seasons, 20 or more Touchdown Passes: 13 (1983-92, 1994-95, 1998)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 20 or more Touchdown Passes: 10 (1983-92)
100 TD Passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 44 (9/7/86 at San Diego)
200 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 89 (9/17/89 at New England)
300 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 157 (9/4/94 vs. New England)
Most Seasons Leading League, Yards Gained: 5 (1984-86, 1988, 1992) with Sonny Jurgensen (Philadelphia, 1961-62; Washington, 1966-67, 1969)
Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Completions: 3 (1984-86) with George Blanda (Houston, 1963-65)
Most Consecutive Games, 400 or more Yards Passing: 2 (1984) with Dan Fouts (San Diego, 1982) and Phil Simms (N.Y. Giants, 1985)
Most Seasons, 4000 or more Yards Passing: (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1994) with Peyton Manning (Indianapolis, 1999-2004)

Other Stats:
Named NFL Most Valuable Player (1984)
Played 242 games, starting 240 of them
Career completion percentage of 59.4%
Career passing efficiency rating is 86.4
First QB in NFL history to have six 4,000-yard seasons (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1994)
Led 37 fourth-quarter comeback victories, second only to John Elway.
Holds Dolphins team record for most seasons played, 17.
Had 116 wins under Don Shula – the most by a head coach - quarterback combination in NFL history.
Won the AFC Offensive Player of the Week honor 18 times in the regular season (and 20 times overall, including playoffs).
Started 240 Regular Season Games and Held a 147-93 record as a starter ( Second to John Elway's NFL Best 148-82-1 Regular Season Record )
Played in 18 Playoff Games and Held a 8-10 Record in the Playoffs
One of only six quarterbacks in NFL history that have achieved two consecutive (back-to-back) 30-touchdown passing seasons at least one time in their careers (the others are Steve Bartkowski, Brett Favre, Dan Fouts, Jeff Garcia, and Y. A. Tittle).
Passed for 4,510 yards over career in playoff games
Threw at least one touchdown pass in 16 of his 18 playoff contests, throwing a TD pass in his first 13 postseason contests.
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Old 02-24-2006, 01:01 PM   #63
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You KNOW a guy is off his rocker when he tries to compare Brooks to hall of famers. Billy used to try and compare Brooks to John Elway. This is just pathetic. Jeebs, no disrespect, but you just dropped to the bottom of the list of people who's opinions I would argue with over QBs. You won't hear another peep from me to you on any situation involving any QB. You're gone man.
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Old 02-24-2006, 01:37 PM   #64
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LOL.....you guys trip me out. I will never completely compare Marino's career to Brooks. But look carefully between the years '86 - '90. The Dolphins team was hapless. No Defense like the saints and no RB like the Saints. The result? 4 years of complete mediocrity. We had records of like 6-10 and 8-8 all those years. The team was doing terribly and along with it marino's performance those years were also affected. I'm saying that Brooks' predicament with the Saints now is very similar to Marino's during those years. Even the great MARINO could not get it done because the rest of the team around him was also falling apart. I can't be any clearer. Stop thinking that I am comparing Brooks to Marino...I am saying that when a team is in bad condition even the greatest of QB's CAN'T GET IT DONE.

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Old 02-24-2006, 01:39 PM   #65
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.. I smell goat...
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Old 02-24-2006, 01:59 PM   #66
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Keep sniffin...its very close to your keyboard. ;0)
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Old 02-24-2006, 02:01 PM   #67
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
.....the years '86 - '90. The Dolphins team was hapless. No Defense like the saints and no RB like the Saints. The result? 4 years of complete mediocrity. We had records of like 6-10 and 8-8 all those years. The team was doing terribly and along with it marino's performance those years were also affected. I'm saying that Brooks' predicament with the Saints now is very similar to Marino's during those years. Even the great MARINO could not get it done because the rest of the team around him was also falling apart. I can't be any clearer. Stop thinking that I am comparing Brooks to Marino...I am saying that when a team is in bad condition even the greatest of QB's CAN'T GET IT DONE.
OK, OK. Deep breath. There are so many things wrong with your post, I don't know where to start. I guess I'll begin with "I'm saying that Brooks' predicament with the Saints now is very similar to Marino's during those years". Now, tell me again how that is anything BUT comparing Brooks and Marino. Second, Marino may have had a "bad" year or two, but he had many more good years to out-weigh the bad. Brooks can only point to one year, and he wasn't even the starter for the entire of that year. And it was 5 YEARS ago. Third, by referring to '86, you mean the year he threw 44 TD's? He led the NFL in TD's that year and placed 2nd in '87 & '88. Forth, he was in the top 3 in passing yards and completions in 4 out of those 5 years and the other year ('90) he was 4th in both catagories. Fifth, they were 12-4 in '90. Sixth, in that 5 year span '86-'90, he threw 143 TD's. And Seventh, I think I'm beginning to smell goat also.
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Old 02-24-2006, 02:03 PM   #68
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The question still remains mjf....with all those stats....what did he achieve? Losing records. The bottom line here is that all of this is still not one man's fault.

One more thing....I am not and never will compare Marino's complete career to Brooks. Im just saying that when a team is doin bad....even the best players become affected. So imagine how bad someone a little more average like Brooks is gonna do?
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Old 02-24-2006, 02:13 PM   #69
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No, the bottom line is, if Brooks had put up the numbers that Marino achieved and the team had still failed, then you might have a leg to stand on. But as it is, you're grabbing at straws and making senseless statements.
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Old 02-24-2006, 02:15 PM   #70
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You are entitled to your opinion mjf. As I see it many factors affected Brooks. As you see it Brooks is the be all end all problem for the Saints. We'll see how this unfolds.
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