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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'd prefer a QB who is used to winning, and demanding winning out of everyone around him, as opposed to one who is used to losing on a losing team at a losing school, Well he demanded enough to get ...

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Old 02-28-2006, 09:29 AM   #21
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I'd prefer a QB who is used to winning, and demanding winning out of everyone around him, as opposed to one who is used to losing on a losing team at a losing school,
Well he demanded enough to get them a winning record. Against superior defenses on a crappy team. That takes guts and character.
I'ts obvious that what your preference is, actually from what I've been reading over the years you would take anyone other than Brooks.
Leinart is not clearly the better choice for this team or any other, but we will see what the FO and the new talent evaluation has to say in a little better than a Month.
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:32 AM   #22
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I'll drink to that!!
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I'd prefer a QB who is used to winning, and demanding winning out of everyone around him, as opposed to one who is used to losing on a losing team at a losing school,
Well he demanded enough to get them a winning record. Against superior defenses on a crappy team. That takes guts and character.
I'ts obvious that what your preference is, actually from what I've been reading over the years you would take anyone other than Brooks.
Leinart is not clearly the better choice for this team or any other, but we will see what the FO and the new talent evaluation has to say in a little better than a Month.
Yeah, 6-4 is a great record. What's his overall record again since he became the starter? And it takes guts and character to QB a losing team? Then hell, why did San D ever get rid of Ryan Leaf? He must have had LOADS of guts and character the way he lost. Leinart IS clearly the better choice. Only a Brooks lover, secretly hoping we keep him, would say otherwise. Or a USC hater, which I counted myself among being a LSU homer, but will not allow to cloud my judgment when it comes to the BEST QB PROSPECT IN YEARS.
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
Sure...thats like saying that Tom Brady would have had equal success in Houston. Gimmi a break. If anything I'd prefer the QB who is used to do doing everything he can to help his team win than the QB who doesn't have the foggiest idea what a rough day on the job is.
That doesn't even make sense, so it's not like saying that at all. Tom Brady would have had equal success in Houston? What does that have to do with where Leinart and Cutler played COLLEGE BALL?
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You say we'll never know. Technically you are right but the obvious is the obvious. You say Lienart is uber successful and everything and that Cutler has a losing record therefore Lienart is the better QB. So if Lienart is that awesome then I'm sure he would have made Vanderbilt national champs also right? If thats the case then a guy like Tom Brady should easily take the Texans to the Super Bowl.
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I've heard all the debates about how Leinart had all the talent in the world around him. It takes a leader to lead that talent. Hell, Brooks has had great RB's & WR's in their prime the last 6 years such as Deuce, Ricky Williams, Joe Horn, even Stallworth. That with some pretty good lineman such as Willie Roaf, Kyle Turley, & LeCharles Bentley-and what did he do with all that talent? I think we all know the answer to that question. I like Cutler too, but he is only the 2nd best QB in this draft. Leinart is far above the rest of this draft class at the QB position.

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Old 02-28-2006, 10:09 AM   #27
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If I'm not mistaken ghandi..when Brooks has all those names and they were healthy....we won a playoff game.
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We can go back and forth all day on this, showning guts and charcater I define as the ability to perform to your highest level under extream pressure. Which with the lack of talent around I would say he did an amazing job of. and just having a winning record for the first time in How many Years. (I went to Rutgers so I know all about loosing football programs). Am I a USC hater. Absoluty there should be no sharing of national titles..

Leinarts only pressure was keeping the win streak alive which the team failed to do. I don't highly regard him as he is more of a product of system and talent around him, and I think that will be quikley exposed wherever he plays in the NFL. Would you consider Greise the greatest QB to play the Game because the Dolphins won under him? I would not. Was he a winner because of the team and cast absolutly, and Leinart is no different.

When it comes to Brooks I'll make no secret of it. No matter who is drafted they won't beat him out if he is kept for some reason or another . There are no if ands or buts about it, and I doubt they are just going to release him. Am I calling for his head no. If he is released or traded do I want the highest quality replacement that can come in start and win games. Yes.

I get what Jeebs is saying and I am sure you do too. There is no way to comare unless you stick the two in the same system with same supporting cast like. Palmer and Kittna for example.

Would Tom Brady have had the same 4 years if he was on the Texans with the same Texans team that Carr Played with (honestly I think you can understand that analogy). Of course he would not be as sucessfull as where he is now.

I would love to see a side by side comparison of the top three QB's in the draft. Unfortunatly One sat out of the Senior bowl and two declined to showcase for comparison.

I hope that better explains my sentiments
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I think everyone needs to go look and see that Leinart was NOT the best QB in college this year...
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
If I'm not mistaken ghandi..when Brooks has all those names and they were healthy....we won a playoff game.
Actually. no. First, BLAKE BLAKE BLAKE BLAKE BLAKE put that team in position to get into the playoffs. AND, in 2003, when Deuce was making the pro bowl, and Joe was making the pro bowl or having his one off season that he didn't, and LeCharles was making the pro bowl, Brooks was leading the league in lost fumbles and we were 8-8. Deuce ran for 100 yards in an NFL record tying NINE STRAIGHT GAMES, but fumbles was handing the ball away like it was buttered. Please get over your obsession with defending that joke.
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