A good read for Cutler fans.

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 12:38 PM

Point taken...my only fear (and I think this is a valid point) is that we never really have seen him perform under adversity. I saw a couple of USC games and sure...Leinart looked great.....he also looked relaxed and it seemed to me that he almost always had time to make good throws. Now, even AB made some spectacular throws when he had ample time to do it. You also make another point that scares me. He is used to winning. That's great. This is New Orleans. Winning has always been rather difficult for us. How will he react to....losing? Or at least struggling to win? Cutler has been there and done that. Its like Manning...had he played on a winning squad you know Archie would have retired with rings. Truth is....he had garbage. And he did such a good job with garbage that he won MVP in '77. I just feel that Cutler is of the same mold. The way I see it, with that kind of fierce determination, if you gave Cutler a decent squad...how well could he be? How much more accurate could he be with an effective line? We honestly don't know either way do we? But me personally, I would rather bank on the guy that can find the diamond in the rough than the guy that was fed the silver spoon. (I know you understand the metaphor.)

Either way....this is all about one thing...the Saints! Regardless of what happens...I will still be the only (or at least one of the very few) people in this city (Miami) wearing black and gold in a sea of orange and teal. ;0)

FanNJ · 03-02-2006, 12:39 PM

I'll make that wager. Whatever you want. And don't give me this comparable teams BS, cause both are being picked at the top of the draft, which generally means both will go to sucky teams

Comparable was for the first two years as a starter. Lord knows that San Fran and Houstan lack alot less of an offensive line than New Orleans or the Jets Do. Thats why I threw that in. And neither of those two teams are going to fill the holes immediatly.

Now when we talk career, how do we rate them pure stats, wins, or what? I'd rater look to the stats, cause unfortunatly wins are a team effort.

And I'll let you pick the wager and lets keep it reasonable so no tax laws get violated

But name the price.

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 12:43 PM

You know what? I'm down... count me in. i promise I have not made my last visit to the city of NO. I will come through and honor whatever we wage. Free tickets....how's that?

jrmllb · 03-02-2006, 12:49 PM

Here is a good read on Leinart, Young, and Cutler...Ups and Downs of all three...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ael&id=2344648

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 12:52 PM

Hey jr..lol This is the article I started the thread with. But its all good..thanx for chiming in. Who do you like in this ordeal?

saintswhodi · 03-02-2006, 12:52 PM

Ticket to a future Saints game? I like that. I definitely can get down with that. Seems fair since we are all Saints fans. But, they have to be good tickets, not the nose bleed terrace where you get vertigo from looking down the steps. At least Club, Plaza, or Loge level. That's what, $140 max? Again, seems fair to me. We can do it for every two years. So we will be judging both in two year intervals. I think stats is a fair enough judge cause that is an individual goal, as opposed to wins which is more a team goal. And if either wins rookie of the year, I thinkt hey hands down win the first two years. Does that sound fair to all who are betting?

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 12:53 PM

No Doubt...Lower level..your choice.....endzone or closest to 50.

FanNJ · 03-02-2006, 01:05 PM

Again, seems fair to me. We can do it for every two years. So we will be judging both in two year intervals. I think stats is a fair enough judge cause that is an individual goal, as opposed to wins which is more a team goal. And if either wins rookie of the year, I thinkt hey hands down win the first two years. Does that sound fair to all who are betting?

Agreed. on my part. Nothing get the blood flowing like off season wagering.

Only one caviat. They must see playing time in the same season. Can't be riding pine for two years while ones taking his lumps. (Ah hell screw it let em play)

Your on

saintswhodi · 03-02-2006, 01:13 PM

Okay, we'll do this. For a season to count, either has to play a minimum of 8 games. That allows for squirrely things like injuries. I think half a season is a fair enough barometer to where you could prorate the remainder of the season if they get hurt or something. If they get benched cause they suck, no prorating. Only in the case of an injury. And if the injury is career ending, the guy who's player got hurt has to buy tickets for that interval, and then the bet is over at that point. Hopefully they both get significant playing time next year.

FanNJ · 03-02-2006, 01:17 PM

Your on. Whodi

03-02-2006, 12:38 PM	#51
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Point taken...my only fear (and I think this is a valid point) is that we never really have seen him perform under adversity. I saw a couple of USC games and sure...Leinart looked great.....he also looked relaxed and it seemed to me that he almost always had time to make good throws. Now, even AB made some spectacular throws when he had ample time to do it. You also make another point that scares me. He is used to winning. That's great. This is New Orleans. Winning has always been rather difficult for us. How will he react to....losing? Or at least struggling to win? Cutler has been there and done that. Its like Manning...had he played on a winning squad you know Archie would have retired with rings. Truth is....he had garbage. And he did such a good job with garbage that he won MVP in '77. I just feel that Cutler is of the same mold. The way I see it, with that kind of fierce determination, if you gave Cutler a decent squad...how well could he be? How much more accurate could he be with an effective line? We honestly don't know either way do we? But me personally, I would rather bank on the guy that can find the diamond in the rough than the guy that was fed the silver spoon. (I know you understand the metaphor.) Either way....this is all about one thing...the Saints! Regardless of what happens...I will still be the only (or at least one of the very few) people in this city (Miami) wearing black and gold in a sea of orange and teal. ;0)
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03-02-2006, 12:39 PM	#52
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: A good read for Cutler fans. I'll make that wager. Whatever you want. And don't give me this comparable teams BS, cause both are being picked at the top of the draft, which generally means both will go to sucky teams Comparable was for the first two years as a starter. Lord knows that San Fran and Houstan lack alot less of an offensive line than New Orleans or the Jets Do. Thats why I threw that in. And neither of those two teams are going to fill the holes immediatly. Now when we talk career, how do we rate them pure stats, wins, or what? I'd rater look to the stats, cause unfortunatly wins are a team effort. And I'll let you pick the wager and lets keep it reasonable so no tax laws get violated But name the price.
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03-02-2006, 12:43 PM	#53
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: A good read for Cutler fans. You know what? I'm down... count me in. i promise I have not made my last visit to the city of NO. I will come through and honor whatever we wage. Free tickets....how's that?
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jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: A good read for Cutler fans. Here is a good read on Leinart, Young, and Cutler...Ups and Downs of all three... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ael&id=2344648

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FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: A good read for Cutler fans. Hey jr..lol This is the article I started the thread with. But its all good..thanx for chiming in. Who do you like in this ordeal?
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Ticket to a future Saints game? I like that. I definitely can get down with that. Seems fair since we are all Saints fans. But, they have to be good tickets, not the nose bleed terrace where you get vertigo from looking down the steps. At least Club, Plaza, or Loge level. That's what, $140 max? Again, seems fair to me. We can do it for every two years. So we will be judging both in two year intervals. I think stats is a fair enough judge cause that is an individual goal, as opposed to wins which is more a team goal. And if either wins rookie of the year, I thinkt hey hands down win the first two years. Does that sound fair to all who are betting?

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FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	No Doubt...Lower level..your choice.....endzone or closest to 50.
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FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	Again, seems fair to me. We can do it for every two years. So we will be judging both in two year intervals. I think stats is a fair enough judge cause that is an individual goal, as opposed to wins which is more a team goal. And if either wins rookie of the year, I thinkt hey hands down win the first two years. Does that sound fair to all who are betting? Agreed. on my part. Nothing get the blood flowing like off season wagering. Only one caviat. They must see playing time in the same season. Can't be riding pine for two years while ones taking his lumps. (Ah hell screw it let em play) Your on
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03-02-2006, 01:13 PM	#59
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Okay, we'll do this. For a season to count, either has to play a minimum of 8 games. That allows for squirrely things like injuries. I think half a season is a fair enough barometer to where you could prorate the remainder of the season if they get hurt or something. If they get benched cause they suck, no prorating. Only in the case of an injury. And if the injury is career ending, the guy who's player got hurt has to buy tickets for that interval, and then the bet is over at that point. Hopefully they both get significant playing time next year.

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FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	Your on. Whodi
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