A good read for Cutler fans.

TheDeuce · 03-02-2006, 01:25 PM

Point taken...my only fear (and I think this is a valid point) is that we never really have seen him perform under adversity. I saw a couple of USC games and sure...Leinart looked great.....he also looked relaxed and it seemed to me that he almost always had time to make good throws. Now, even AB made some spectacular throws when he had ample time to do it. You also make another point that scares me. He is used to winning. That's great. This is New Orleans. Winning has always been rather difficult for us. How will he react to....losing? Or at least struggling to win? Cutler has been there and done that. Its like Manning...had he played on a winning squad you know Archie would have retired with rings. Truth is....he had garbage. And he did such a good job with garbage that he won MVP in '77. I just feel that Cutler is of the same mold. The way I see it, with that kind of fierce determination, if you gave Cutler a decent squad...how well could he be? How much more accurate could he be with an effective line? We honestly don't know either way do we? But me personally, I would rather bank on the guy that can find the diamond in the rough than the guy that was fed the silver spoon. (I know you understand the metaphor.)

Never perform under adveristy? How about a last minute charge to beat ND in South Bend? How about being down numerous times at half time, several of those times by double digits, yet still coming back to get the win? How about winning a national championship? Don't try to tell me that he has such an easy job and he's never had to face adverstiy. He faced it all the time, the only difference between he and Cutler is that Leinart won his games, Cutler didn't.

And about the winning attitude... so wait a minute, have you ever considered what effect his winning attitude could have on the team. A guy who is used to winning, especially at the quarterback position, can make the rest of the team expect to win. Why would you want to have a guy who is used to losing? THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A guy who expects to win is an asset, not a liability. I don't understand your reasoning AT ALL.

And about your metaphor, no, I don't understand it. Cutler doesn't find a diamond in the rough, he MIGHT be the diamond in the rough. And I doubt Leinart has been fed the silver spoon, he might have been fed from the silver spoon. But even if that's what you meant, that doesn't make sense. You'd rather take a guy because he lost a lot in college, and that's probably what he's going to do in the pros so he'll be able to handle it better? You'd rather have that than a guy who was used to winning in college so he won't know how to handle losing in the NFL? Leinart's a smart guy, I'm sure he knows how to bounce back from losses.

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 01:25 PM

D-E-A-L! Go Saints!!! (and Cutler...hee hee.)

saintswhodi · 03-02-2006, 01:26 PM

Done deal.

saintswhodi · 03-02-2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

D-E-A-L! Go Saints!!! (and Cutler...hee hee.)

My bet is with FanNJ, yours is with The Deuce. I don't want you coming at me if you don't get a ticket.

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 01:28 PM

Deuce....let me ask you a Q... lets remove Cutler and Leinart from the picture for a sec... Do you think that Vanderbilt's squad and USC's squad can compete? Do you feel that minus the QB's Vandy's squad is just as good as USC's?

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 01:30 PM

Either way whodi....it looks like every two years.....two of us are buying tickets and 4 of us are getting hammered before kickoff!!! ;0)

saintswhodi · 03-02-2006, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Either way whodi....it looks like every two years.....two of us are buying tickets and 4 of us are getting hammered before kickoff!!! ;0)

I just want it to be clear. I don't like loose ends.

TheDeuce · 03-02-2006, 01:35 PM

No, obviously they're not as good. ANybody who thinks so is just dumb. But it's still football. They're still D-I athletes playing in two of the biggest conferences in the nation. Did anybody think Fresno State had the ability to take USC to the wire? Did anybody think Stanford had the ability to take USC to the wire? No. But it's not all about the team Fatius. I thought you understood this. Eli Manning took a crappy team to a bowl game, in the SEC. He was good enough, accurate enough, efficient enough to hit enough receivers and make the best throws to have a winning season and go to a bowl game. I already made the point that he had one teammate that went to the draft from that team, and he was a second day lineman. It wasn't about his team, it was about him. If Cutler was so good, he would have been able to do more. Do more than complete 34% of his passes against LSU, 53% against Georgia, and 55% against South Carolina. Sure he might have been on a bad team, but his bad team doesn't throw 34%, HE DOES.

FanNJ · 03-02-2006, 01:54 PM

My bet is with FanNJ, yours is with The Deuce. I don't want you coming at me if you don't get a ticket

Your on dude. I'm good for it . As the year progresses I'll get your info.

Sure he might have been on a bad team, but his bad team doesn't throw 34%, HE DOES.

Duce did you see that game? LSU is agruably the best defense in College ball from from line to DB's. Keep that in mind.

FatiusJeebs · 03-02-2006, 02:12 PM

I know what you are saying Deuce. LOL...at the rate we are going we are gonna end up discussing their childhood's, who was abused the most, and how it has affected their game. The bet is on my friend regardless of who wins.....Go Saints!!

P.S. Are you telling me that Cutler's completion percentage was a result of total lousy throwing or are there other factors?

03-02-2006, 01:25 PM	#61
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Point taken...my only fear (and I think this is a valid point) is that we never really have seen him perform under adversity. I saw a couple of USC games and sure...Leinart looked great.....he also looked relaxed and it seemed to me that he almost always had time to make good throws. Now, even AB made some spectacular throws when he had ample time to do it. You also make another point that scares me. He is used to winning. That's great. This is New Orleans. Winning has always been rather difficult for us. How will he react to....losing? Or at least struggling to win? Cutler has been there and done that. Its like Manning...had he played on a winning squad you know Archie would have retired with rings. Truth is....he had garbage. And he did such a good job with garbage that he won MVP in '77. I just feel that Cutler is of the same mold. The way I see it, with that kind of fierce determination, if you gave Cutler a decent squad...how well could he be? How much more accurate could he be with an effective line? We honestly don't know either way do we? But me personally, I would rather bank on the guy that can find the diamond in the rough than the guy that was fed the silver spoon. (I know you understand the metaphor.) Never perform under adveristy? How about a last minute charge to beat ND in South Bend? How about being down numerous times at half time, several of those times by double digits, yet still coming back to get the win? How about winning a national championship? Don't try to tell me that he has such an easy job and he's never had to face adverstiy. He faced it all the time, the only difference between he and Cutler is that Leinart won his games, Cutler didn't. And about the winning attitude... so wait a minute, have you ever considered what effect his winning attitude could have on the team. A guy who is used to winning, especially at the quarterback position, can make the rest of the team expect to win. Why would you want to have a guy who is used to losing? THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A guy who expects to win is an asset, not a liability. I don't understand your reasoning AT ALL. And about your metaphor, no, I don't understand it. Cutler doesn't find a diamond in the rough, he MIGHT be the diamond in the rough. And I doubt Leinart has been fed the silver spoon, he might have been fed from the silver spoon. But even if that's what you meant, that doesn't make sense. You'd rather take a guy because he lost a lot in college, and that's probably what he's going to do in the pros so he'll be able to handle it better? You'd rather have that than a guy who was used to winning in college so he won't know how to handle losing in the NFL? Leinart's a smart guy, I'm sure he knows how to bounce back from losses.
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs D-E-A-L! Go Saints!!! (and Cutler...hee hee.) My bet is with FanNJ, yours is with The Deuce. I don't want you coming at me if you don't get a ticket.

03-02-2006, 01:28 PM	#65
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Deuce....let me ask you a Q... lets remove Cutler and Leinart from the picture for a sec... Do you think that Vanderbilt's squad and USC's squad can compete? Do you feel that minus the QB's Vandy's squad is just as good as USC's?
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Either way whodi....it looks like every two years.....two of us are buying tickets and 4 of us are getting hammered before kickoff!!! ;0) I just want it to be clear. I don't like loose ends.

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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	No, obviously they're not as good. ANybody who thinks so is just dumb. But it's still football. They're still D-I athletes playing in two of the biggest conferences in the nation. Did anybody think Fresno State had the ability to take USC to the wire? Did anybody think Stanford had the ability to take USC to the wire? No. But it's not all about the team Fatius. I thought you understood this. Eli Manning took a crappy team to a bowl game, in the SEC. He was good enough, accurate enough, efficient enough to hit enough receivers and make the best throws to have a winning season and go to a bowl game. I already made the point that he had one teammate that went to the draft from that team, and he was a second day lineman. It wasn't about his team, it was about him. If Cutler was so good, he would have been able to do more. Do more than complete 34% of his passes against LSU, 53% against Georgia, and 55% against South Carolina. Sure he might have been on a bad team, but his bad team doesn't throw 34%, HE DOES.
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FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	I know what you are saying Deuce. LOL...at the rate we are going we are gonna end up discussing their childhood's, who was abused the most, and how it has affected their game. The bet is on my friend regardless of who wins.....Go Saints!! P.S. Are you telling me that Cutler's completion percentage was a result of total lousy throwing or are there other factors?
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