on kffl this morning, the jets

wheelman · 03-19-2006, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo

Originally Posted by wheelman

There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year!

Ordinarily, I'm opposed to lots of 1st rounders from a cost perspective. It just kills the cap to have so many guys.

However, this year we have SO many holes on this team and Payton seems to want to win now. I'd be in favor of trying to get one (or even both) of Denver's 1st rounders. I'm pleasantly surprised with the moves the front office has made. Cutting Gandy should provide a significant cap savings and the Brooks cut helps us against the cap too.

Well, if Seattle trades for Abraham and we pull off the trades with both teams, we would have three picks in the bottom 11 of the first round. The players drafted with those picks won't really make that much money.

BrooksMustGo · 03-19-2006, 12:34 PM

Well, if Seattle trades for Abraham and we pull off the trades with both teams, we would have three picks in the bottom 11 of the first round. The players drafted with those picks won't really make that much money.

Agreed, we could really be in a great position with guys who slip. I have a hypothetical for you. What if Cutler falls all the way to #29 or #31? Do you even consider it?

LivnaLieTimay · 03-19-2006, 12:36 PM

If we had 4 picks in the first round (or even 3) and Cutler was there at 29 or 31 I would definately take him as an insurance policy for Brees incase his shoulder isn't fully healed. Also, at 29 or 31 he would come relatively cheap.

wheelman · 03-19-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo

Well, if Seattle trades for Abraham and we pull off the trades with both teams, we would have three picks in the bottom 11 of the first round. The players drafted with those picks won't really make that much money.

Agreed, we could really be in a great position with guys who slip. I have a hypothetical for you. What if Cutler falls all the way to #29 or #31? Do you even consider it?

No, if we were to draft a rookie quarterback I would much rather wait until the later rounds at this point. Just draft Drew Olson in the fourth round

LivnaLieTimay · 03-19-2006, 12:51 PM

I will say, the talk about trading our first rounder next year for denvers 2 first rounders sounds good but I don't think it's true. I'm with Wheelman, how do they know the team is going to finish poorly? The rumor doen't make sense to me and I'm going to say it probably isn't true.

LKelley67 · 03-19-2006, 12:57 PM

IMO the jets want the first rounder for their own use. Falcons #15 for the 4 to 2 move would put us owing them 250pts, a third rounder which we don't have. Like it or not teams use these values pretty strictly. More likely, the Jets have two first rounders and can let go of their #2 more easily then. The 4 to 2 move equates to giving us the second and third round pick or even more probable, IMO, this and next years second rounder.

hagan714 · 03-19-2006, 12:59 PM

I do not think Atlanta will part with a 1 for john. There second sounds better. They would have to move cap money around with their recent signings. Unless they ship a player or two as part of the deal. From what I have read the jets are realistic and think John will bring a second. so that would be swapping 1's and given up 2 seconds and a low pick next year.
Now the Sea hawks straight up at 31 for john hmm, but they would really have to want him. They need TE and WR help so #2 (63) and #4 next year makes more sense. then ship it to us.
So we are back to the same deal swap #1, 2-#2 and a late pick next year. that would give us 1 #1, 3-#2, and 1 in #4. Plus the leftovers for next year. Done deal.
I am wondering if Matt Schaub and a third would land John in Atl. Then the jets package them and #4 and #36 to us for #2. That would be a nice safety net if Brees get hammered. I think Atl. will hang on to him though.

LivnaLieTimay · 03-19-2006, 01:02 PM

I looked at the Nfl draft value chart and the Broncos 22nd pick is worth 780 points and their 29th pick is worth 640 points. That's 1420 total points. The 7th pick is worth 1500 points, the 8th is worth 1400 points. So if we think we'll do better than bottom 7 in the league (which I think we will, our schedule is rated the toughest in the nfl based on last year's standings, but I think we can do it) then we would be getting good value for it.

LKelley67 · 03-19-2006, 01:14 PM

am little trouble following the math but i have one strong feeling-

the falcons do not wanna let go of schaub.

i am in the camp that believes the aura of vick may start to dim significantly. he is a freak and something to behold. i still haven't seen him as a solid winning nfl quarteback though. to me, a glorified cordell stewart.

he is so marquee that atlanta cannot let him go. but after some more injuries and inconsistencies occur mora might have a plan. rape someone herchel walker style for ron mexico and have your man in place ready to assume the leading role.

LivnaLieTimay · 03-19-2006, 01:16 PM

I don't think the Jets would do Abraham straight up for mid-second rounder. I think Atlanta would have to give up someone like Duckett as well (The Jets need help in the RB position with Martin gettin up there in age). I think then we could maybe get the jets 1st (#4), 2nd(#36), and 3rd (#68 ) round picks. They would get Leinart and still have a 2nd round pick from Atl. Those 3 picks equal 2590 points and our 2nd pick is worth 2600. Pretty equal value. This would still get us Brick (or Hawk), Mangold, and a solid LB (or OL help if we went with Hawk)

03-19-2006, 12:31 PM	#11
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo Originally Posted by wheelman There is also that rumor about Denver wanting to trade their two first-round picks for a high draft pick next year. That one I am not so sure about being true because how do you know the team you are trading with is going to finish poorly enough to have a high pick? If it is true, however, and we trade with the Jets, we could possibly have four first-round picks this year! Ordinarily, I'm opposed to lots of 1st rounders from a cost perspective. It just kills the cap to have so many guys. However, this year we have SO many holes on this team and Payton seems to want to win now. I'd be in favor of trying to get one (or even both) of Denver's 1st rounders. I'm pleasantly surprised with the moves the front office has made. Cutting Gandy should provide a significant cap savings and the Brooks cut helps us against the cap too. Well, if Seattle trades for Abraham and we pull off the trades with both teams, we would have three picks in the bottom 11 of the first round. The players drafted with those picks won't really make that much money.
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03-19-2006, 12:34 PM	#12
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets Well, if Seattle trades for Abraham and we pull off the trades with both teams, we would have three picks in the bottom 11 of the first round. The players drafted with those picks won't really make that much money. Agreed, we could really be in a great position with guys who slip. I have a hypothetical for you. What if Cutler falls all the way to #29 or #31? Do you even consider it?

03-19-2006, 12:36 PM	#13
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,494	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets If we had 4 picks in the first round (or even 3) and Cutler was there at 29 or 31 I would definately take him as an insurance policy for Brees incase his shoulder isn't fully healed. Also, at 29 or 31 he would come relatively cheap.

03-19-2006, 12:39 PM	#14
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo Well, if Seattle trades for Abraham and we pull off the trades with both teams, we would have three picks in the bottom 11 of the first round. The players drafted with those picks won't really make that much money. Agreed, we could really be in a great position with guys who slip. I have a hypothetical for you. What if Cutler falls all the way to #29 or #31? Do you even consider it? No, if we were to draft a rookie quarterback I would much rather wait until the later rounds at this point. Just draft Drew Olson in the fourth round
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03-19-2006, 12:59 PM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets I do not think Atlanta will part with a 1 for john. There second sounds better. They would have to move cap money around with their recent signings. Unless they ship a player or two as part of the deal. From what I have read the jets are realistic and think John will bring a second. so that would be swapping 1's and given up 2 seconds and a low pick next year. Now the Sea hawks straight up at 31 for john hmm, but they would really have to want him. They need TE and WR help so #2 (63) and #4 next year makes more sense. then ship it to us. So we are back to the same deal swap #1, 2-#2 and a late pick next year. that would give us 1 #1, 3-#2, and 1 in #4. Plus the leftovers for next year. Done deal. I am wondering if Matt Schaub and a third would land John in Atl. Then the jets package them and #4 and #36 to us for #2. That would be a nice safety net if Brees get hammered. I think Atl. will hang on to him though.
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03-19-2006, 12:51 PM	#15
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,494	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets I will say, the talk about trading our first rounder next year for denvers 2 first rounders sounds good but I don't think it's true. I'm with Wheelman, how do they know the team is going to finish poorly? The rumor doen't make sense to me and I'm going to say it probably isn't true.

03-19-2006, 12:57 PM	#16
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	IMO the jets want the first rounder for their own use. Falcons #15 for the 4 to 2 move would put us owing them 250pts, a third rounder which we don't have. Like it or not teams use these values pretty strictly. More likely, the Jets have two first rounders and can let go of their #2 more easily then. The 4 to 2 move equates to giving us the second and third round pick or even more probable, IMO, this and next years second rounder.

03-19-2006, 01:02 PM	#18
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,494	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets I looked at the Nfl draft value chart and the Broncos 22nd pick is worth 780 points and their 29th pick is worth 640 points. That's 1420 total points. The 7th pick is worth 1500 points, the 8th is worth 1400 points. So if we think we'll do better than bottom 7 in the league (which I think we will, our schedule is rated the toughest in the nfl based on last year's standings, but I think we can do it) then we would be getting good value for it.

03-19-2006, 01:14 PM	#19
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	am little trouble following the math but i have one strong feeling- the falcons do not wanna let go of schaub. i am in the camp that believes the aura of vick may start to dim significantly. he is a freak and something to behold. i still haven't seen him as a solid winning nfl quarteback though. to me, a glorified cordell stewart. he is so marquee that atlanta cannot let him go. but after some more injuries and inconsistencies occur mora might have a plan. rape someone herchel walker style for ron mexico and have your man in place ready to assume the leading role.

03-19-2006, 01:16 PM	#20
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,494	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: on kffl this morning, the jets I don't think the Jets would do Abraham straight up for mid-second rounder. I think Atlanta would have to give up someone like Duckett as well (The Jets need help in the RB position with Martin gettin up there in age). I think then we could maybe get the jets 1st (#4), 2nd(#36), and 3rd (#68 ) round picks. They would get Leinart and still have a 2nd round pick from Atl. Those 3 picks equal 2590 points and our 2nd pick is worth 2600. Pretty equal value. This would still get us Brick (or Hawk), Mangold, and a solid LB (or OL help if we went with Hawk)