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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; False starts and Holding penalties killed the saints. That's not on the QB. Unless thats solved no one can overcome consistant 1st second and third and longs. That's not due to dumbed down playbooks just poor play...

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Old 03-21-2006, 07:58 AM   #11
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False starts and Holding penalties killed the saints. That's not on the QB. Unless thats solved no one can overcome consistant 1st second and third and longs. That's not due to dumbed down playbooks just poor play
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:11 AM   #12
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Hmmmm...this all sounds too familiar.....
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:30 AM   #13
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some of the drops by the w.o. was because the ball was poorly thrown or there was no touch on the ball. every ball looked to be thrown a hundred miles an hour. it didn't matter if it was five yards away. in 2003 brooks had his best year in terms of td's to int's. in 2004 he threw for his second most amount of yards in his career only 22 less then 2001. what is the argument?
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:30 AM   #14
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A lot of the issue with Brooks is that he was unable to read defenses then check out of unfavorable plays to plays that matched up to what he saw (in a timely fashion - see the innumerable posts on timeouts on the second play of the game). Most of the o-line's problem wasn't lack of talent or schemes, it was being overwhelmed. Defenses lined up 8 in the box and blitzed most downs because putting any pressure on Brooks meant that he'd make a mistake in either not checking out or running into the oncoming rush. While dummying down the playbook has some posters dismissing its effect on the offense's performance, it's hard to argue that if your rate limiting piece is your qb, it is very hard to gain a strategic advantage when your playbook/playcalling is your strategic advantage. The pressure on the o-line because of this caused many of the penalty/confusion issues.

All that being said, no one can downplay the negative effect of the McCarthy era OC.
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:41 AM   #15
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OK....Brooks is gone. Could we please stop this crap?

Any discussion of the line and all the tape you watched has to include him turning 3 step drops into 8 step drops and missing open receivers....running around in circles and throwing into triple coverage. I guess that double pump int for a td to Al Harris was the lines fault?And all the unforced fumbles....that was the TE's fault. That's just silly. The drops, the line, blah, blah, blah.

3 seconds in slo mo huh? I gotta see these tapes.

Follow his bunk ass to the Raiders and let me know how that works out for you.
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:41 AM   #16
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I agree that Brees will be better able to read defenses (see above). I
All that being said, no one can downplay the negative effect of the McCarthy era OC
I agree totally
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:43 AM   #17
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forever, you may not be taking up for brooks but it sure sounds like you are. he is done and gone to me and is of very little interest. many though still suffer from the anguish he inflicted over 5 years will take your statements very critically.

You say quartebacks will be great only when they have a great running back, and excellent offensive line, and receivers. If they do not they will struggle like Aaron Brooks did. Whew! First, I want avoid brooks debate but will say he struggled plenty of times even when he had the best of these components when here. Second, you are basically saying then a quarteback can only be great if he is on a great offensive team- RB, line, and receivers is all else there is. I will only say you should peruse the history and record books of the NFL. I will throw out some Hall of Fame quarterbacks that still performed at premium level even when on some dreadful teams that often lacked some of those components mightily-
Dan Fouts
Sonny Jurgensen
Warren Moon
Joe Namath
Fran Tarkenton
Look'em up. Sure, you need support to win but great players still are identifiable on bad teams or without support. They all had some off years I am sure. But say any player will struggle like Brooks if you are missing a component is quite a leap IMO.
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:47 AM   #18
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Why is anyone entertaining ANOTHER fluffy Brooks thread? A gimpy armed Brees is better than Aaron Brooks, cause he laps him in intelligence, football IQ, accuracy, leadership, and camraderie. But, IT DOESN'T MATTER. That over-hyped meatball IQ simpleton will be someone else's problem, and all the people who were crying about how great he would be on another team, will have excuses as for why that team wasn't the right fit either. The moron is gone, let it be. If you wanna say Brees is the wrong QB, fine. But why does it have to be in compared to AB? That guy is a loser, and he's gone. People who think he is anything but back-up material will soon have to come with new excuses once he ruins another team.
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Old 03-21-2006, 08:49 AM   #19
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...we need to call the Guinness Book of Records... most handles in one forum...

Here's a little somethin' somethin' that I call:

Lil' things Brees (if healthy) Will Introduce This Year We Haven't Seen In Ages:

1.- Screen pass
2.- Unpredictability.
3.- Passes thrown in front of the receivers
4.- Quick decisions
5.- 3-step drops

... I am not going to say that the Saints o-line has been great, but there's just so much they can do when:
- There are no screen passes thrown: If the defense knows you can't throw a screen pass to save your life, no reason why hold the rush.
- The defenses know what you are going to do. When you limit the offense to calling certain plays certain way, it takes a lot of the guess work by the defense out of the equation.
- All pass plays involve the QB dropping back 7 steps or more and see what develops, or trying to go for the bomb...
- The QB panics and instead of using the pocket he tries to flee out of it.

Brees is not great by any means, but he'll brings something to the table we have not seen in years at the QB position: brains.


.. I just hope he brings the shoulder with 'em noggin

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Old 03-21-2006, 08:54 AM   #20
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hehe, i told ya forever.

maybe you haven't suffered like we have watching him. after he signs somewhere i would like to see a no brooks thread policy. not even to laugh or criticize him. it's kinda like divorce, i'd rather not even think about that biatch than even know about the loser she got tangled up with.
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