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LKelley67 03-26-2006 11:04 AM
More Payton Comments
 
I have not noticed these posted elsewhere.

With his earlier "we are in the win now business" these to me show a philosophy of turning this thing around ASAP, not some visionary down the road plan.

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Sean Payton and the Saints control the early part of next month's draft. They are in a position of power in the No. 2 spot: After signing Drew Brees, they don't need a quarterback in a top-heavy QB draft.

The pick is for sale and potential buyers will start window shopping at the league meetings. The Saints' spot is where the Jets, picking fourth, have to jump if they want Matt Leinart. The Texans are locked in at No. 1 with Reggie Bush. The Titans, picking third, will take Leinart if he is still on the board. Vince Young, after an impressive private workout in Austin last week, is starting to move back up the board after the Wonderlic fiasco.

"I just don't want to be in this position three years from now," said Payton, the Saints' new head coach and the Giants offensive coordinator on their 2000 Super Bowl team. "We are going to take advantage of it now and move on."

Will the Saints move down? "You can only do that if the deal is something that makes sense and really benefits you," Payton said.

Now that the Jets have the 29th pick in the first round in the trade for John Abraham, it will be easier for them to give up their second-round pick, 35th overall, to move up two spots. Switching spots with the Jets is the safe move for the Saints, who likely want DE Mario Williams. Saints GM Mickey Loomis said he's not been approached by any team about trading the pick. "It's way too early for that," he said. "I know we will get some calls. We've never been a team that has shied away from trading up, trading down or taking the pick. We're interested in listening and hearing from everyone involved. I know we'll hear from teams."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...p-341328c.html

gandhi1007 03-26-2006 12:26 PM
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Will the Saints move down? "You can only do that if the deal is something that makes sense and really benefits you," Payton said.

Hello... You can only get that deal if other teams don't know the hand your holding. :?

GoldRush26 03-26-2006 12:30 PM
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Will the Saints move down? "You can only do that if the deal is something that makes sense and really benefits you," Payton said.

Hello... You can only get that deal if other teams don't know the hand your holding. :?
Once again....the beauty of our situation is that IT DOESN'T MATTER if the teams know or have a pretty good idea of what we want to do. They just want our spot to get the jump on another team. The Jets can have wiretaps in our war room all they want. If we don't trade with them they won't get Matt Leinart, simple as that.

gandhi1007 03-26-2006 12:40 PM
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Will the Saints move down? "You can only do that if the deal is something that makes sense and really benefits you," Payton said.

Hello... You can only get that deal if other teams don't know the hand your holding. :?
Once again....the beauty of our situation is that IT DOESN'T MATTER if the teams know or have a pretty good idea of what we want to do. They just want our spot to get the jump on another team. The Jets can have wiretaps in our war room all they want. If we don't trade with them they won't get Matt Leinart, simple as that.
I will agree to disagree. LOL :lol:

LongTimeFan 03-26-2006 01:49 PM
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Keep them guessing.

Tobias-Reiper 03-26-2006 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldRush26
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Will the Saints move down? "You can only do that if the deal is something that makes sense and really benefits you," Payton said.

Hello... You can only get that deal if other teams don't know the hand your holding. :?
Once again....the beauty of our situation is that IT DOESN'T MATTER if the teams know or have a pretty good idea of what we want to do. They just want our spot to get the jump on another team. The Jets can have wiretaps in our war room all they want. If we don't trade with them they won't get Matt Leinart, simple as that.
I will agree to disagree. LOL :lol:
Gandhi, I don't think you are getting what Rush is trying to say.

What he is trying to say that any team - other than the Texans and maybe the Titans - that wants Matt Leinart will have to deal with the Saints, regardless what the Saints do.
Because the Saints signed Brees, it is believed that they are NOT going to pick Leinart.
Because Chow is in Tenn., and because McNair is getting up in age and is perpetually hurt, it is understood that the Titans will pick Leinart if he is available at the 3rd spot.
If any other team wants Leinart, they'd have to deal with the Saints first, to beat the Titans to the punch.

LivnaLieTimay 03-26-2006 02:12 PM
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I'm with Gold on this one. If a team really wants Leinart they know which team to call. Every team knows we have a qb now so if we don't take him he'll be there for the Titans at #3. If the Jets, Raiders or any other team wants Leinart they know they aren't getting him unless they trade up with us. If anything, we know that any team trading up is looking at Leinart and we know he'll be gone by 3 at the latest, so I think that regardless of our situation and needs, we are in the drivers seat in negotiating a trade on draft day. If we don't get a good offer for a trade we still get the player we want (granted a little higher than preferred but we still get our targeted guy), if a team doesn't offer us a good deal, they do not get the player they want.

LongTimeFan 03-26-2006 02:13 PM
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I heard on ESPN about a week ago that there is a chance that the Texans might pass on Bush, if so do we try and get him?

GoldRush26 03-26-2006 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
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Originally Posted by GoldRush26
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
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Will the Saints move down? "You can only do that if the deal is something that makes sense and really benefits you," Payton said.

Hello... You can only get that deal if other teams don't know the hand your holding. :?
Once again....the beauty of our situation is that IT DOESN'T MATTER if the teams know or have a pretty good idea of what we want to do. They just want our spot to get the jump on another team. The Jets can have wiretaps in our war room all they want. If we don't trade with them they won't get Matt Leinart, simple as that.
I will agree to disagree. LOL :lol:
Gandhi, I don't think you are getting what Rush is trying to say.

What he is trying to say that any team - other than the Texans and maybe the Titans - that wants Matt Leinart will have to deal with the Saints, regardless what the Saints do.
Because the Saints signed Brees, it is believed that they are NOT going to pick Leinart.
Because Chow is in Tenn., and because McNair is getting up in age and is perpetually hurt, it is understood that the Titans will pick Leinart if he is available at the 3rd spot.
If any other team wants Leinart, they'd have to deal with the Saints first, to beat the Titans to the punch.
I thought I made this abundantly clear, but well put!! The fact that we are leaning towards D'Brick is irrelavent. THERE'S NO NEED FOR SMOKE SCREENS! Matt Leinart is the crown jewel that teams will trade up for. How does knowing who we intend to pick give any of our trade suitors an advantage? We pick D'Brick....Tennessee gets Leinart. We pick Hawk....Tenneseee gets Leinart. We pick Williams...Tennessee gets Leinart. So the only way any other team but Tennessee(trade suitors) can get Leinart is to trade with us. Signing Brees was one of the smartest things they could have done in relation to the draft. The only way this could be screwed up is if Reggie Bush is not taken number one, which might be an even BETTER situation to be in.

LivnaLieTimay 03-26-2006 02:22 PM
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LTF, if Bush is there at #2, I say we run up and announce his name before the first pick has shaken hands with Tags. He would open up running and passing game, definately would take him at #2!

LongTimeFan 03-26-2006 02:26 PM
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"if Bush is there at #2, I say we run up and announce his name before the first pick has shaken hands with Tags"

I'm with you dude, all the way on this one.

saintbuck 03-26-2006 02:50 PM
I also heard that the Texans may be looking at Brick to keep Carr off of his ass. If so, Bush for pres. of N.O.

GoldRush26 03-26-2006 02:58 PM
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LTF, if Bush is there at #2, I say we run up and announce his name before the first pick has shaken hands with Tags. He would open up running and passing game, definately would take him at #2!
Yep...for people that said Brees succeeded in SD because of LT, we'd be getting someone as good or even BETTER than LT. We'd have a two headed moster at RB, plus he could split time in the slot position.

saintbenny 03-26-2006 03:08 PM
That would be awesome to have bush in the backfield, and we probably would be crazy not to pick him up but with no o-line he would get killed. There is still a bunch of holes on off. and def. that needs to be filled.

One of our biggest problems last year was at the QB. position we solved that now we need to protect him and put players on the otherside of the ball to help the off. out.


WE NEED HAWK ARE THE BRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!

gandhi1007 03-26-2006 03:15 PM
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Gandhi, I don't think you are getting what Rush is trying to say.

What he is trying to say that any team - other than the Texans and maybe the Titans - that wants Matt Leinart will have to deal with the Saints, regardless what the Saints do.
Because the Saints signed Brees, it is believed that they are NOT going to pick Leinart.
Because Chow is in Tenn., and because McNair is getting up in age and is perpetually hurt, it is understood that the Titans will pick Leinart if he is available at the 3rd spot.
If any other team wants Leinart, they'd have to deal with the Saints first, to beat the Titans to the punch.
I agree with this much of his post & I understand his logic, but showing our hand limits our trading value. By not signing a OT or a legitimate starter at center (& signing 2 LB's) we have shown every other NFL team that we want a OT & a center for sure in the draft. That limits our ability to draft in those positions later. Yes, we will still be able to draft Brick, but do you think teams with the same needs as ours will let Mangold or the remaining good LB's, or DT's slip if they know that's what we're looking at with our next pick. NO. There is good reason why other NFL teams do not show their hand before draft day. That's the point I am making. I'm not saying anyone's thinking is irrational. I'm just looking at the consequences we could have from our FO showing our hand.

P.S.- Really good posts guys. LOL

Tobias-Reiper 03-26-2006 04:25 PM
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Gandhi, I don't think you are getting what Rush is trying to say.

What he is trying to say that any team - other than the Texans and maybe the Titans - that wants Matt Leinart will have to deal with the Saints, regardless what the Saints do.
Because the Saints signed Brees, it is believed that they are NOT going to pick Leinart.
Because Chow is in Tenn., and because McNair is getting up in age and is perpetually hurt, it is understood that the Titans will pick Leinart if he is available at the 3rd spot.
If any other team wants Leinart, they'd have to deal with the Saints first, to beat the Titans to the punch.
I agree with this much of his post & I understand his logic, but showing our hand limits our trading value. By not signing a OT or a legitimate starter at center (& signing 2 LB's) we have shown every other NFL team that we want a OT & a center for sure in the draft. That limits our ability to draft in those positions later. Yes, we will still be able to draft Brick, but do you think teams with the same needs as ours will let Mangold or the remaining good LB's, or DT's slip if they know that's what we're looking at with our next pick. NO. There is good reason why other NFL teams do not show their hand before draft day. That's the point I am making. I'm not saying anyone's thinking is irrational. I'm just looking at the consequences we could have from our FO showing our hand.

P.S.- Really good posts guys. LOL
You are assuming that all other teams think like Saints fans...
Who says the new coaching staff doesn't think the current o-line is workable? We don't know that.. we assume that because Bentley is gone and we think Gandy should play like Roaf.

..the Saints have not shown anything other than they probably are not going to take Leinart with the 2nd pick because they signed Brees... other than that, no one knows what the Saints are going to do when their 15 minutes are up, being taking someone or trading the pick, or with any of their subsequent picks for that matter.

If a team has the same need as the Saints, and they are picking in front of the Saints, they are going to fullfill that need not because the Saints have the same need, but because that team has the need. No team says "man, the Saints are picking 15, we are picking 12.. if we don't pick so and so, the Saints are going to pick him, and we won't be able to pick him 32 picks later when we pick in the 2nd round"... You pick a player at a spot because he's there and you want him/need him, not because a team that picks later than you wants/needs him.

gandhi1007 03-26-2006 04:34 PM
All valid points TR. Maybe I'm just so used to us blowing it, this complacency is beginning to make me wonder. :(

Tobias-Reiper 03-26-2006 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
All valid points TR. Maybe I'm just so used to us blowing it, this complacency is beginning to make me wonder. :(
...oh, I feel ya!!! ... now let's follow Bob there :)

spkb25 03-26-2006 06:09 PM
i am not sure that if reggie is there you can let him go. i mean the guy is just unreal. at the same time on showing our hand whgo says even if we don't want matt we can't draft him. lets say we don't really get a real call on someone wanting to trade up and the reason is that tenn. thinks they have him and we are taking brick. what says we don't take matt knowing that is their guy and then make a trade while they are on the clock. i don't think any team knows what we are going to do. would the smart pick for us be to get brick. sure. but we still have gandy and although he isn't great the guy isn't crap. never mind we still have stinch too. maybe that guy from the jets goodman can playe center for us. i know he isn't great but if we have to put the guy in for a year we have to. if we do get brick we have to have a vet start at center because i don't want to rookies on the line in the same year. all i know is i am so excited for this draft. i always am excited for the draft but this year really looks like it will be fun

Euphoria 03-26-2006 08:30 PM
If Bush is their at the second pick I would not take him... I would trade down if we can or take Brick. We have to shore up that line. You can say take Bush and we can settle for whomever on the line is BS Championships are won on D and Line.

spkb25 03-26-2006 08:46 PM
i don't know you can pass the guy up euph

turbo_dog 03-26-2006 10:16 PM
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Now that the Jets have the 29th pick in the first round in the trade for John Abraham, it will be easier for them to give up their second-round pick, 35th overall, to move up two spots. Switching spots with the Jets is the safe move for the Saints, who likely want DE Mario Williams. quote]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...p-341328c.html
Mario Williams?
I would say that this is ridiculous, but we have chosed a DE in the first three times in the last few years, even though it seems like the last position we need now.

pakowitz 03-26-2006 11:01 PM
dont forget also that we might be waiting for the June 1st cuts... there are always solid players who have to be released b/c of cap room....

9thWardDesire 03-27-2006 12:50 AM
[quote="gandhi1007"][quote]Gandhi, I donWhat if the Raiders drafted Vince Young?
They'd have the smallest playbook ever... it'd have 2 plays:

1- "hand it to the guy on your left"...."no, your other left"
2- "Chunk it to Moss, chunk it to Moss, hut hut!!!!"

MUST BE THE WONDERLIC

:beer: LOOKS LIKE PACMAN STILL HAS A JOB!!!

saintsrule 03-27-2006 01:29 AM
I can't wait for the draft.

LKelley67 03-27-2006 10:40 PM
BTW, welcome aboard saintsrule.

FatiusJeebs 03-28-2006 09:38 AM
Oooohhh...the suspense is killing me!!!! :ohno:


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