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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by papz As long as it will take to develop Vince Young... probably another 2 years IMO. I like Amac don't get me wrong... but I think we're all looking for a cinderella type story with him. It's ...

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Old 04-01-2006, 03:06 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by papz
As long as it will take to develop Vince Young... probably another 2 years IMO. I like Amac don't get me wrong... but I think we're all looking for a cinderella type story with him. It's like me and my support of Chase Lyman. I know he's probably never going to make any type of impact on this team but I can't stop rooting for him because I know he's talented.
papz, just that one yr sitting on the bench with amac as well as chase, quite a valuable lesson, would'nt you say? i'd go with anyone who sat on the bench for a yr over a rookie, unless they show they can light it up from the start........
as far as cinderella story, happens all the time...............smitty
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Old 04-01-2006, 03:10 PM   #22
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You got a point there. I can see it now... Amac throws a 70 yard bomb down field to Chase Lyman.

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Old 04-01-2006, 03:22 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by papz
You got a point there. I can see it now... Amac throws a 70 yard bomb down field to Chase Lyman.

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would it matter if bree's threw it? lol smitty
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Old 04-01-2006, 03:30 PM   #24
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Well I was just trying to keep that Amac as the future franchise quarterback dream alive for some people... I'd definately take that Brees to Lyman. :P
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Old 04-01-2006, 03:44 PM   #25
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BPA in the draft is Reggie Bush. If he's there we pick him. If he's not the D'Brick is the next BPA. He's in such an elite class that no one here can even name the second rated tackle prospect after him.
Winston Justice, OT, USC who by the way has already played in a pro style offense.
Eric Winston, OT, Miami
Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn

These are the guys who will probably land in the first, early second rounds. I would say D'Brick has some very good company and that's why I've said from day one we need a leader on defense and Hawk is the man, period!
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Old 04-01-2006, 04:01 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by papz
How can you say its certainly not Leinart? No one knows that... it may or may not be. Next to Bush in my opinion, it's Leinart... same with you and D'Brick.

What does being an LSU fan and seeing Cutler play have to do with anything? Because if you are implying you were impressed with him by seeing him play against us, you've got to be on something. Check out the links underneath.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=252810238
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243040099

Umm... Winston Justice?
Whoa calm down there son. I didn't "imply" anything other than the fact that i've seen the kid play in rebuttal to your claim that no one on here has seen him play but you, the Cutler expert.

And besides, all of this is speculation. Do I truly know who is the best player in the draft. No...and neither do you. However I do know that I've seen NO analyst or draft expert say that Leinart is the best player in the draft. I think BPA in the draft signifies the most surefire pick in the draft, and Bush and D'Brick have been the ones that have recieved those praises. If you think Leinart is the best player in the draft, more power to you. There's no way I would personally take him over one of the best talents of the past 10 years in Bush and the best rated tackle to come out since Walter Jones. "Franchise" QBs come along every year it seems like. Next year Brady Quinn will be the guy we "can't pass up".
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Old 04-01-2006, 04:09 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by CheramieIII
BPA in the draft is Reggie Bush. If he's there we pick him. If he's not the D'Brick is the next BPA. He's in such an elite class that no one here can even name the second rated tackle prospect after him.
Winston Justice, OT, USC who by the way has already played in a pro style offense.
Eric Winston, OT, Miami
Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn

These are the guys who will probably land in the first, early second rounds. I would say D'Brick has some very good company and that's why I've said from day one we need a leader on defense and Hawk is the man, period!

Missing my main point, I wasn't challenging anyone to name the other tackles in the first round. I was challenging anyone to name ONE tackle in this draft that is close to being as dominant as D'Brick. He had tremendous preseason hype and totally has lived up to it. His only knock is that he needs to gain a little more weight. There is a huge dropoff from D'Brick to Justice.

And does anyone realize if this draft didn't have Reggie Bush that D'Brick would be the #1 overall pick without a doubt? And there is talk that he actually STILL may go #1. We can possibly get him at #4....kind of a steal.
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Old 04-01-2006, 04:25 PM   #28
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If Leinart is there at 2 and Bush is off the board I'd take him. I don't know about Brees' shoulder and I think Leinart is going to be a great player. If we can trade down, then thats what I'm in favor of, but if we cannot trade down I like Leinart. I also would like to say that in many other drafts in years past Leinart would be the top choice hands down. I think between Bush, Leinart, Brick and maybe Young, you have 4 guys who many consider to be #1 picks. Probably all 4 would have gone #1 last year.
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Old 04-01-2006, 04:47 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by GoldRush26
Whoa calm down there son. I didn't "imply" anything other than the fact that i've seen the kid play in rebuttal to your claim that no one on here has seen him play but you, the Cutler expert.
Son? What the? Look genius... before you open your mouth, learn how to read. Scroll back page one and read it over. Then you would realize that I was talking about Ferguson. How do you feel now? I would have thought the "ask the VA guys" would have dropped a hint.

Originally Posted by GoldRush26
And besides, all of this is speculation. Do I truly know who is the best player in the draft. No...and neither do you.
Read above post... didn't I just say that?

Originally Posted by GoldRush26
However I do know that I've seen NO analyst or draft expert say that Leinart is the best player in the draft.
I didn't say he was the best player in the draft... Bush is in my opinion. So who are you debating with?

Originally Posted by GoldRush26
I think BPA in the draft signifies the most surefire pick in the draft, and Bush and D'Brick have been the ones that have recieved those praises. If you think Leinart is the best player in the draft, more power to you. There's no way I would personally take him over one of the best talents of the past 10 years in Bush and the best rated tackle to come out since Walter Jones. "Franchise" QBs come along every year it seems like. Next year Brady Quinn will be the guy we "can't pass up".
One's that received the most praises. You know what that sounds like... a guy who reads a bunch of articles and follows all the hype but in actuality, knows absolutely nothing about the player. Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Lawerence Phillips, Mike Williams (the tackle), Eugene Chung, etc. received a lot of praises... and where are they now? Robert Gallery was suppose to be the next superstar LT, he's not even playing that position anymore. Give me a break. You say "franchise" QBs come along ever year, so does "franchise left tackles".

Originally Posted by GoldRush26
Next year Brady Quinn will be the guy we "can't pass up".
See at worst, I see us finishing 8-8 next year. Have a little faith buddy.
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Old 04-01-2006, 04:56 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by GoldRush26
He had tremendous preseason hype and totally has lived up to it. His only knock is that he needs to gain a little more weight. There is a huge dropoff from D'Brick to Justice.
Preseason hype is exactly what it was and during the collegiate season, he did not live up to it. How are you so sure that there's such a HUGE dropoff from D'Brick to Justice? Both are good and judging from last year's performance, Justice was the more consistent of the two. Brick might be more talented and athletic, but Justice is solid in his own right.
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