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mighty12 04-18-2006 06:48 PM

I woke up draft day and..........
 
With the 1st pick in the 2006 NFL draft the Houston Texans select DE North Carolina State Mario Williams...........................

There is a trade: The New York Jets trade their fourth, 29th, and 35th overall picks for the Saints number 2 pick......................

With the 2nd pick in the draft the New York Jets select RB University of Southern California Reggie Bush.........................

With the 3rd pick in the 2006 NFL draft the Tennessee Titans select QB University of Texas Vince Young.......................................

There is another trade: The Denver Broncos trade their 15th, 22nd, and 61st overall picks and a 1st round pick in 2007 for the Saints 4th overall pick...................

With the 4th overall selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Denver Broncos select QB University of Southern California Matt Leinart...........................

Skipping to the goods...............................................


With the 15th selection in the 2006 NFL draft the New Orleans Saints select OLB Florida State University Ernie Sims...................................

With the 22nd selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Saints select RB Mempis University DeAngelo Williams................................................

With the 29th overall selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Saints select C Ohio State University Nick Mangold...............................

On to the 2nd round.............................

With the 34th selection the Saints select CB University of South Carolina Johnathon Joseph..........................................

With the 35th overall selection the Saints select OT Louisiana State University Andrew Witworth.............................................

With the 61st overall selection the Saints select Safety University of Nebraska Daniel Bullocks.................................

Then I awoke to realize................I'm crazy. Here's hoping we get Ferguson!!!!

papz 04-18-2006 06:55 PM

RE: I woke up draft day and..........
 
Too many rookies... do we want to suck again?

TheDeuce 04-18-2006 07:15 PM

RE: I woke up draft day and..........
 
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With the 15th selection in the 2006 NFL draft the New Orleans Saints select OLB Florida State University Ernie Sims...................................

With the 22nd selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Saints select RB Mempis University DeAngelo Williams................................................

With the 29th overall selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Saints select C Ohio State University Nick Mangold...............................

On to the 2nd round.............................

With the 34th selection the Saints select CB University of South Carolina Johnathon Joseph..........................................

With the 35th overall selection the Saints select OT Louisiana State University Andrew Witworth.............................................

With the 61st overall selection the Saints select Safety University of Nebraska Daniel Bullocks.................................

Then I awoke to realize................I'm crazy. Here's hoping we get Ferguson!!!!
Ernie Sims is not the right choice. He's more of a 3-4 LB, and he's also going to be strictly an OUTside linebacker. I would rather take a guy who has the ability to play on the inside (a la Hawk or D'Qwell).

DeAngelo Williams? Why would we do that? Why would we do that when there might be a guy like Winston Justice or Tye Hill or Jimmy Williams available at this spot; guys who all play positions of need. Also, not only is Deuce supposed to be ready for the season, but we also signed Bennett. Taking Williams makes no sense.

Love the Mangold pick. We have to get this guy, and it looks like we're going to have a real good chance at landing him now that the Jets landed Teague.

I doubt Joseph will be there at the 34th pick. If he is, that'd be a very good pickup. However, I'd like to see us take Wroten or D'Qwell Jackson or Eric Winston here.

Whitworth seems like a bit of a stretch here. Are you a Tiger fan? I am, but he's not nearly athletic enough to be taken here.

Love love love the Bullocks pick. That'd be awesome to see those two sharing our secondary. They have good chemistry because they've played together a lot, and it'd also be a good marketing tool for the team.

spkb25 04-18-2006 07:30 PM

RE: I woke up draft day and..........
 
i don't get off on the impossible and that is impossible.

JimBone 04-18-2006 08:09 PM

Kind of hard to be competitive when you have roughly 13 draft picks on your team. Sounds nice, but very tough.

mighty12 04-18-2006 08:49 PM

Deuce - Sims MAY not be the right choice, Carpenter may be better, but I just love Sims' ability to tackle, and we REALLY need a tackler.........Williams would give us a decent return man, and I have to disagree with Winston Justice being their. His stock is WAY up after his pro day........I believe with the depth at Corner in the draft that Joseph will be their.......Yes I am a tiger fan and I believe that Whitworth would be a perfect fit here. My problem with calling this a stretch is that there won't be any other talented OTs left at that pick and he would be snatched before pick 61, so its not a stretch to get a great Tackle in the second round.............But like I've said before I would throw all these picks away for Ferguson and Mangold. I think we would have the most solid line in the NFL.

papz 04-18-2006 08:54 PM

With two rookies starting on it... I think it's wishful thinking. Wouldn't be even in the top 10 rated for OL.

jergensl 04-18-2006 08:57 PM

me no likey

gandhi1007 04-18-2006 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mighty12
I have to disagree with Winston Justice being their. His stock is WAY up after his pro day........

I have to agree with this, but since we're playing the wishing game: You could skip Sims at #15 & get Winston Justice instead. Then you could snag Bobby Carpenter with #22. He will probably be a better NFL LB than Sims anyway. Then, you could pick Joseph Addai at #35 if you really want a RB. He's faster & stronger than DeAngelo. :D

pakowitz 04-18-2006 09:05 PM

if bush is there at #2 then i think we should be asking for more from the jets then the 2 1s n a 2... him being available at 2 makes our pick that much more valuable

BiggPoppaFro4 04-18-2006 09:36 PM

no doubt...if Bush is there at #2, we should be talking picks this year and next year. And we'd get it to. Everyone assumes Bush is gone after the first 15 mins, imagine the pissing their pants GMs around the league would do if *BING* he's still there.

I still can't get behind any trade that drops us out of the top 5. Trade with NY, then GB if you want, but after that...no one that helps right now, 100% One way or the other, we should be coming away with at least Williams, and at most Hawk or Ferguson.

And if we waste a 1st rounder on a RB I swear to God I'll take up cricket.

pakowitz 04-18-2006 09:48 PM

even if that RB is bush?

BiggPoppaFro4 04-18-2006 09:53 PM

Believe it or not, yes.

I understand the talent he is and it is rare, and that makes it even more tempting...but we just invested alot into Deuce and he's been a good troop. He put up with the twoTE bulls*** and all else. We can just get so much more in future value for the pick if Bush is there, we'd just have to pass on him.

With Bush there, we could even (reaching, I know) get Walker and the #5 from GB. I mean, Ted Thompson is the GM.

It's painful, but sometimes you just have to make the deal...and hope you didn't just take Bowie over Jordan

BiggPoppaFro4 04-18-2006 09:58 PM

I think what's even more painful than giving up a talent like Bush, is giving up a person like bush...he seems like, from all I've read, to be a genuine great person.

....just like bonds.... :wink:

pakowitz 04-18-2006 09:58 PM

as much as i love deuce.... if he doesnt lose some weight... he wont be worth poo...

BiggPoppaFro4 04-18-2006 10:02 PM

...just like sully... :wink:

gandhi1007 04-18-2006 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pakowitz
as much as i love deuce.... if he doesnt lose some weight... he wont be worth poo...

Maybe with all the eateries closed because of Hurricane Katrina, he & Sully can go on a diet. :D

fhs623 04-19-2006 08:14 AM

Re: I woke up draft day and..........
 
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Originally Posted by mighty12
With the 1st pick in the 2006 NFL draft the Houston Texans select DE North Carolina State Mario Williams...........................

There is a trade: The New York Jets trade their fourth, 29th, and 35th overall picks for the Saints number 2 pick......................

With the 2nd pick in the draft the New York Jets select RB University of Southern California Reggie Bush.........................

With the 3rd pick in the 2006 NFL draft the Tennessee Titans select QB University of Texas Vince Young.......................................

There is another trade: The Denver Broncos trade their 15th, 22nd, and 61st overall picks and a 1st round pick in 2007 for the Saints 4th overall pick...................

With the 4th overall selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Denver Broncos select QB University of Southern California Matt Leinart...........................

Skipping to the goods...............................................


With the 15th selection in the 2006 NFL draft the New Orleans Saints select OLB Florida State University Ernie Sims...................................

With the 22nd selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Saints select RB Mempis University DeAngelo Williams................................................

With the 29th overall selection in the 2006 NFL draft the Saints select C Ohio State University Nick Mangold...............................

On to the 2nd round.............................

With the 34th selection the Saints select CB University of South Carolina Johnathon Joseph..........................................

With the 35th overall selection the Saints select OT Louisiana State University Andrew Witworth.............................................

With the 61st overall selection the Saints select Safety University of Nebraska Daniel Bullocks.................................

Then I awoke to realize................I'm crazy. Here's hoping we get Ferguson!!!!

maybe you should've stayed in bed and went back to sleep

fischware 04-19-2006 11:00 AM

The Saints need to draft Vernon Davis, TE Maryland who offers speed, offensive blocking, another pass receiver. He will be an impact player to whoever drafts him.

pakowitz 04-19-2006 12:41 PM

wow... only took 2 years for him to make is first post... he must really want vernon davis badly... i dont think it would be too bad... i would rather hawk or ferg or williams more but davis wouldnt be a bad player in our offense which should use the TE more often now that we have a QB...

Boogro 04-19-2006 12:49 PM

Agreed Pak, we sure can use some offensive help to keep the chains moving. Plus, we need to do better scoring after turnovers and contolling the ball and keeping our D off the field

JimBone 04-19-2006 01:31 PM

Good point. the fact that we hardly created any turnovers are bad enough. Whats worse is the fact that we got nothing to show for the few we did get. I have to think the majority of the teams problems were from the offense. No running game, dropped passes, penalties, and some QB that we let go all contributed to our poor team showing. Offense needs a lot of work too.

whodatsaintsfan26 04-19-2006 01:36 PM

With the exception of the o-line I think you leave the offense alone. You have all your injured players returning this year and you have one of the worst defenses in nfl history. The entire draft should be used on the defensive side of the ball with one or two exceptions on the Oline. With Duece and Horn coming back you know what you will get from those two if healthy, and if not you have brought in Bennett for Duece. I want to see what Zach Hilton can do with a full season under his belt. I just think TE is the least of this teams worries and would hate to see a pick like that.

JimBone 04-19-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whodatsaintsfan26
With the exception of the o-line I think you leave the offense alone. You have all your injured players returning this year and you have one of the worst defenses in nfl history. The entire draft should be used on the defensive side of the ball with one or two exceptions on the Oline. With Duece and Horn coming back you know what you will get from those two if healthy, and if not you have brought in Bennett for Duece. I want to see what Zach Hilton can do with a full season under his belt. I just think TE is the least of this teams worries and would hate to see a pick like that.

OK...i will point out a few key words..."If healthy" and "all of our injured guys coming back". That is a recipe for disaster. Best case scenario, Horn rebounds, Stallworth breaks out, Deuce recovers completely, Brees is a godsend, Hilton emerges. Do you really think that all of those things are going to happen? If 2 of those things happen it would be great. But after Horn and Stallworth, what do we have at WR? After Brees, what do we have at QB? We need at least 2 lineman. Conwell does not warrant the money he makes so i would be surprised to see him last through training camp. I think our offense needs SOME help.

whodatsaintsfan26 04-19-2006 02:01 PM

If Duece doesnt recover you have Bennett waiting in the wings. Donte doesnt have to break out as the number 2 reciever the production last year will do for a number 2. Horn is a gamer and will be back. Hilton had 35 catches in 6 starts and showed that he can play. Brees even if hes not fully recovered is an upgrade for that position. I already said one or two lineman. It has been proven that you can with with a decent offense if your defense can stop someone. With Brees, Duece, Bennett, Horn, Stallworth, Hilton, and an offensive line that more than constitutes a decent offense even with someone missing. The defense just has to stop someone. I dont think the offense minus oline needs to be messed with right now.

JimBone 04-19-2006 02:05 PM

Yes, when they are all healthy, they make a very good offense. Its depth i am worried about. Henderson, Chris Horn, Lyman, Michael Lewis??? Not many threats there. Hilton, hasnt proven anything to me except that he catches 4 balls and drops 3. Brees' injury isnt something you can play with. If he's not healthy, do you want to see Bouman play? Horn and Stallworth both have injuries in their history. The offense may not be as good as we all think it is.

whodatsaintsfan26 04-19-2006 02:19 PM

Your right depth is a concern at WR and QB, and one they should have looked through in free agency. Do you bring in a 5th round pick at wr and expect him to play a role this season? Probably not. A rookie QB in the later rounds and expect him to play this season? No. Those positions are not position you look at in the draft if you need immediate help. They are the hardest positions for rookies to contribute. Hilton played well at the end of the season and deserves a shot. If hes not ready you have Mark Campbell there to cover him. There is enough talent at TE that its not a concern imo. As far as WR you are stuck with what you got at this point in time.

Boogro 04-19-2006 02:29 PM

Well, if you draft a QB late, then he'll probably end up on the practice squad or McPherson will get cut or thrown on the squad himself. It's kind of a waste to draft a QB that late. There is no way we can go into the season with Brees, A-Mac and a rookie QB. As much as I hate Bouman, we need him uless they bring in a quality vet

JimBone 04-19-2006 02:34 PM

Well my point was this, if they addressed WR or QB on the first day, we really couldnt be all that upset. If we took Leinart in the first round ( IT WOULD KILL ME) it would make some kind of sense. If we took Sinorice Moss in the second round, it would make some sense. I am not saying that is what i want, but it would make sense.

Boogro 04-19-2006 02:38 PM

It seems we are really thin everywhere and it's scarying the h out of me.

whodatsaintsfan26 04-19-2006 02:40 PM

And my point was that the defense was horrible last season and needs some serious upgradeing. The offense will do if the defense is able to stop anyone this season. After givin up 25 points a game last season it seems like the worst part of the team. I will agree with you that the offense has a chance to struggle if injury hits again, but if the defense can hold people out of the endzone more this season maybe the offense wont have to be so potent.

JimBone 04-19-2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boogro
It seems we are really thin everywhere and it's scarying the h out of me.

Good to see you are watching what you say...people get edited around here.

Boogro 04-19-2006 02:57 PM

Well, we upgrated out LB's and added a few safeties. We lost Howard, Brown and Hodge on D. Brown is the only one leaving a hole unless Smith moves to corner. On offence, we lost a G, C, T and our 3rd wr. We picked a QB coming off injury and a RB who has injury problems. The O-linemen we picked up, I know nothing much about.

I believe defense is very important, but if our offence can't move the ball, our D will tire. There are just so many needs out there. If we can get 3 solid starters out of this draft, I will be happy. Even if one of them is a 3rd receiver

JimBone 04-19-2006 03:02 PM

Good point Boogro...we have holes at virtually every position...even kicker...so i would think that for this draft to be considered helpful, we need to get at least 3 guys that are going to be able to get on the field and play. Not talking about special teams either...i want them on the field making a difference on offense or defense. What bothers me is that our past 2nd and 3rd rounders havent done a thing.

saintswhodi 04-19-2006 03:04 PM

I don't think Josh Bullocks is bad. He was a second rounder. Now the third round? Yuck. We haven't made a meaningful pick there in a while. But I think Payton brings with him a team of people who are better at talent evaluation than we had. I look for our overall drafts to improve not just cause w ehave a high pick, but also in out later round picks too.

JimBone 04-19-2006 03:06 PM

No, I think Bullocks can be a player. But if you look at Hodge, James Allen, Courtney Watson, Fincher, (Anything in common) Stinchcomb...and aside from Bockwoldt and Holland, the second day of the draft has been a wash too.

saintswhodi 04-19-2006 03:09 PM

I'm withholding judgment on Stinch until anyone gets actual game footage on him. But I dig what you are saying. I just think it'll get better with the new coach and his staff.

JimBone 04-19-2006 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
I'm withholding judgment on Stinch until anyone gets actual game footage on him. But I dig what you are saying. I just think it'll get better with the new coach and his staff.

Well one would hope so, but isnt the same guy calling the shots on draft day?

saintswhodi 04-19-2006 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBone
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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
I'm withholding judgment on Stinch until anyone gets actual game footage on him. But I dig what you are saying. I just think it'll get better with the new coach and his staff.

Well one would hope so, but isnt the same guy calling the shots on draft day?

Not really. As far as I understood, Payton is being given a lot of say so in the picks.

gandhi1007 04-19-2006 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBone
Hilton, hasnt proven anything to me except that he catches 4 balls and drops 3.

In Hilton's defense, it's really hard for a 6'8" TE to catch balls thrown around his ankles. :? I think we will see a breakout year from Hilton if Brees stays healthy. :wink:


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