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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; ...but this one is mine. took me about two weeks, and I struggled with the Chiefs. 1. Texans- Reggie Bush- RB- USC 2. Saints- D‘Brickshaw Ferguson- T- VA 3. Titans- Matt Lienart- QB- USC 4. Jets- Mario Williams- DE- NCState ...

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Old 04-26-2006, 11:19 PM   #1
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another mock...

...but this one is mine. took me about two weeks, and I struggled with the Chiefs.

1. Texans- Reggie Bush- RB- USC
2. Saints- D‘Brickshaw Ferguson- T- VA
3. Titans- Matt Lienart- QB- USC
4. Jets- Mario Williams- DE- NCState
5. Packers- AJ Hawk- LB- OhioSt
6. 49ers- Michael Huff- CB- Texas
7. Raiders- Vince Young- QB- Texas
8. Cardinals (Bills)- Jay Cutler- QB- Vanderbilt
9. Lions- Winston Justice- T- USC
10. Bills (Cardinals)- Haloti Ngata- DT- Oregon
11. Rams- Vernon Davis- TE- Maryland
12. Browns- Chad Greenway- LB- Iowa
13. Bears (Ravens)- Jimmy Williams- CB- VaTech
14. Eagles- Santonio Holmes- WR- OhioSt
15. Broncos- Chad Jackson- WR- Florida
16. Dolphins- Ernie Sims- LB- FloridaSt
17. Vikings- DeMeco Ryans- LB- Ala
18. Cowboys- Sinorice Moss- WR- Miami
19. Chargers- Marcus McNeill- T- Auburn
20. Chiefs- Tye Hill- CB- Clem
21. Patriots- DeAngelo Williams- RB- Memphis
22. 49ers (Broncos; Redskins)- Kam Wimbley- LB- FloridaSt
23. Buccaneers- Tamba Hali- DE- PennSt
24. Bengals- Ashton Youboty- CB- OhioSt
25. Giants- Eric Winston- T- Miami
26. Ravens (Bears)- Donte Whitner- S- OhioSt
27. Panthers- Broderick Bunkley- DT- FloridaSt
28. Jaguars- Mathias Kiwanuka- DE- BC
29. Jets (Broncos)- Max Jean-Giles- G- Georgia
30. Colts- Joseph Addai- RB- LSU
31. Seahawks- Antonio Cromartie- CB- FloridaSt
32. Steelers- D’Qwell Jackson- LB- MD

The waiting drove me mad....
I don't want to hear from those that know...
Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed


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Old 04-26-2006, 11:30 PM   #2
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Not bad, it does take more work to really think these through than many might realize.

my comments-
to #5 completely possible
I cannot see Vernon Davis to 11.
Greenway's stock has fallen to the later half of the first round
I see Bunkley as a Brown if he was still around
Kiwanuka to the 2nd IMO
Not too crazy with trades but what are the deals envisioned?
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Old 04-27-2006, 12:00 AM   #3
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the trades were the easiest. you'll usually have a couple that will affect the order of the first round. when i start the draft, i'll compare my notes with team depth charts, to determine value. example- if a player who i consider to be top-5, no question, does indeed drop out of the top-5, I'm looking to see who is desperate for a player at that position. then f i came across a team that i felt might want to move down, i would (based on where i felt they were leaning) see if i can get any matches that way, also. Then I'll pick two from the list that I feel make the most sense, based on nonconference trading, and what I know where the talent at that position should land, and how desperate a team is to address a particular position. not sure that makes sense.....

I'm with you on Kiwanuka, but teams need em, and will overpay for them.
Davis and Bunkley were tough for me, because i have them rated higher than where they were drafted, but couldn't make it work. those two, any random team could snag, without hesitation, if they were drafting BPA.
Greenway's stock hasn't dropped in my book the browns were another dilemma for me, because i really wanted to try to find a trade out for them, but i couldn't get anything to work.

how did you come to the conclusion of Bunkley to the Browns?

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That mock was total crap








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Old 04-27-2006, 12:06 AM   #5
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check this out-
http://browns.scout.com/2/513466.html

i'm gonna post a thread for the mock muncher if you havent seen it too.
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Old 04-27-2006, 12:10 AM   #6
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Actually, if you want to see a crappy mock draft, here's one by Pat Kirwan:

1. Houston: Reggie Bush, RB, USC
As I said last week, Bush is a once-in-a-decade player. He will create matchup problems for every team in the league. I would talk to the other top (non-QB candidates) too, but I would draft Bush with or without a pre-draft deal.

2. New Orleans: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
There is a chance the Raiders will wind up in this spot for Young, but if a deal can't be reached, the struggle is between Mario Williams and Ferguson. It's not an easy choice, but the Saints can't make a bad decision. Ferguson will line up for 10-12 years.

3. Tennessee: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
If Oakland moves up, then the decision is made for the Titans. They take the QB who is left. If Young and Leinart are on the board, I hope the front office listens to the coaches and takes the guy who threw 109 touchdown passes and only 23 interceptions. Leinart reminds me more and more of Bernie Kosar, but faster. He gets the ball out of his hand the quickest and to the right spot.

4. N.Y. Jets: Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State
The Jets take the player the Saints pass on and they can't be wrong except that they need a quarterback. Mario Williams will be to the Jets what Richard Seymour is to the Patriots.

5. Green Bay: A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State
This week, I heard from too many 4-3 teams that they have downgraded Haloti Ngata. It is hard to pass on rare size, but the Packers break the eight-year NFL mold of only taking one outside linebacker with a top-five pick and grab Hawk because of his 368 career tackles, 37 tackles for a loss and 14½ sacks.

6. San Francisco: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
If Alex Smith doesn't get a go-to player like Vernon Davis, the pressure will mount quickly in the Bay Area. Davis is a matchup problem for opponents, just like Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez. Davis changes the game and not many players in this draft have that label.

7. Oakland: Vince Young, QB, Texas
The Raiders are the perfect place for Vince Young to land. He does not have to step onto the field as a rookie. His target outside is Randy Moss and the owner will make sure the team plays to his strengths. Al Davis may have to move up to get him before Saturday.

8. Buffalo: Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State
If Dick Jauron is serious about building a defense similar to the Tony Dungy/Tampa defense, it starts up front and Bunkley is the key piece. He's not perfect. He can play too high at times, but a 4.91 40 time at 306 pounds and nine sacks as a senior are strong credentials.

9. Detroit: Michael Huff, DB, Texas
The safest pick in the draft. I still believe he's more of a safety than a corner, but he has the skills to handle matchup problems like Reggie Bush and Vernon Davis and he's a team leader.

10. Arizona: Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
There will be some discussions about another player or two like Winston Justice, but Kurt Warner is old enough that the Cards can't pass on Cutler. They may get a few serious calls about this spot.

11. St. Louis: Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech
There are mixed reviews about Jimmy Williams. Is he a safety or a corner? Was his senior year a red flag? He's big and versatile and fits a need in St. Louis.

12. Cleveland: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
Ngata slips in the draft this week until a 3-4 team is staring right at him. Romeo Crennel was in New England when Bill Belichick was using first-round selections on defensive linemen.

13. Baltimore: Winston Justice, OT, USC
You know Ray Lewis would have loved Haloti Ngata to fall to Baltimore, so blockers could not get out and block him. But it doesn't work out that way so the Ravens take Justice to start on the right side and eventually move over to the left when Jonathan Ogden retires.

14. Philadelphia: Nick Mangold, C, Ohio State
Most people think this is way too high for a center, but Mangold is good enough to justify the selection. The Eagles wanted LeCharles Bentley badly in the offseason and unless they trade for Jeff Faine, this pick makes a lot of sense to me. Not one offensive line coach I have spoken to felt Mangold wasn't the second-best lineman in the draft to Ferguson.

15. Denver: Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
If the Broncos get Javon Walker in a pre-draft trade, then this pick changes. If they miss, then taking Jackson and trading Ashley Lelie is a strong possibility. Jackson doesn't have the production of Santonio Holmes, but he has the size and speed to be a pretty good player.

16. Miami: Manny Lawson, OLB, N.C. State
The Dolphins are an emerging 3-4 team and Lawson is a fit as an OLB or a weakside end in a 4-3. He's about the same size as Jason Taylor coming out of college, but even a better athlete. Lawson was a 50-foot triple jumper in high school as well as 25-foot long jumper. He had 17 sacks at N.C. State.

17. Minnesota: Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State
The perfect 4-3 weakside linebacker. He's fast, can blitz and should be in on close to 100 tackles a season when he earns a starting job.

18. Dallas: Kamerion Wimbley, OLB/DE, Florida State
When Bill Parcells built the great N.Y. Giants defense, he drafted Carl Banks the year after Lawrence Taylor. With DeMarcus Ware on one side, it's time for the other piece. Signing Marcus Coleman to play safety takes the pressure off a safety at this pick.

19. San Diego: Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
The best corner at Florida State since Deion Sanders is a strong statement, especially for a guy who has been injured and rarely played. His personal workouts have been excellent and the Chargers need an elite corner.

20. Kansas City: Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
Throw out his disappointing 40 time (4.8), Hali has an explosive first step and a motor that doesn't quit. He plays much faster than his recorded speed and he makes plays. In three years, he had 35 tackles for loss and 14 sacks.

21. New England: Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
Carpenter has been moving up the draft boards the past two weeks because he is versatile, big and smart -- the three things Bill Belichick loves on his team.

22. San Francisco: Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
Some scouts describe Greenway as a safety playing linebacker and think he is dropping into the second round. The 269 tackles, 18 tackles for loss, five sacks, eight passes defended and four interceptions sounds like he's a real good football player to me. Mike Nolan needs some OLBs for his 3-4 defense.

23. Tampa Bay: Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
Too good to pass up if Holmes drops to the Bucs. Here's a guy who ran 46 seconds in the 400 meters in high school, high jumped 6-foot-10 and caught 140 balls at a 16.3 average and scored 25 times.

24. Cincinnati: Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
Surprised? I am too a bit, but the run on outside linebackers puts Lewis' grade in line to be selected. He has some flaws in his game, but the Bengals need a pass-catching tight end and 120 receptions and 20 college touchdowns is a good place to start.

25. N.Y. Giants: Eric Winston, T, Miami
The signings of LaVar Arrington and Brandon Short last week changes the direction this team needs to go. By the time the Giants select again at No. 56, the quality tackles will be gone.

26. Chicago: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
Most teams playing the Cover 2 scheme want bigger corners than Tye Hill, but this guy can flat out run. He showed an ability to close on receivers at the Senior Bowl and his 41-inch vertical jump will help him go up for the ball against the bigger receivers. There are other corners available and Chicago could go with one of them, but I think most coaches are trying to play more man coverages and Hill gives Lovie Smith that flexibility.

27. Carolina: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
The run on running backs starts right here and Maroney has 300 less carries on his resume than DeAngelo Williams, the other top back. That was the logic Bill Polian used when he selected Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams.

28. Jacksonville: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
Some people have Kiwanuka out of the first round and by the next mock draft, I might too. For now, I see a guy with 34 sacks in college and capable of being a situational rusher until he learns to disengage from blockers.

29. N.Y. Jets: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
Curtis Martin is nearing the end of his career and Williams has a big heart, and lots of credentials -- 6,026 yards and 55 touchdowns -- on a team where the opponents always knew to stop Williams first.

30. Indianapolis: DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama
Sure the Colts lost Edgerrin James in free agency and he has to be replaced, but they also lost David Thornton. The Colts defense can't go backward now and Ryans is a solid football player. Some coaches believe he has slipped to the second round. If the Colts feel that way, they can always draft Thomas Howard.

31. Seattle: Donte Whitner, S, Ohio State
Last week, I felt the Seahawks would take offensive guard Davin Joseph here, but two line coaches convinced me he spends too much time in a two-point stance. Whitner is at a need position and he ran 4.38 at his Pro Day. Seattle takes a guard in the second round.

32. Pittsburgh: LenDale White, RB, USC
I could have gone in 10 different directions with this pick and I am not convinced the Steelers believe White is a 'Steeler' type player. But if his hamstring tear is less severe than first reported, this has a chance of happening. Pittsburgh will also consider a safety like Ko Simpson, a defensive end like Rodrique Wright, and maybe even a receiver.

SECOND ROUND
33. Houston: Andrew Whitworth, OT, Louisiana State
34. New Orleans: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
35. N.Y. Jets: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
36. Green Bay: Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami
37. Denver: Darnell Bing, S, USC
38. Oakland: Thomas Howard, OLB, Texas-El Paso
39. Tennessee: Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
41. Arizona: Davin Joseph, G, Oklahoma:
42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
43. Cleveland: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
44. Baltimore: Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
45. Philadelphia: Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
46. St. Louis: Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
47. Atlanta: Deuce Lutui, G, USC
48. Minnesota: Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
49. Dallas: Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
50. San Diego: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
51. Minnesota: Brodie Croyle, QB, Alabama
52. New England: Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin
53. Washington: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
54. Kansas City: Maurice Stoval, WR, Notre Dame
55. Cincinnati: Claude Wroten, DT, Louisiana State
56. N.Y. Giants: John McCargo, DT, N.C. State
57. Chicago: Tony Scheffler, TE, Western Michigan
58. Carolina: D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Maryland
59. Tampa Bay: Darryl Tapp, DE, Virginia Tech
60. Jacksonville: Joseph Addai, RB, Louisiana State
61. Denver: Kellen Clemens, QB, Oregon
62. Indianapolis: Jerious Norwood, RB, Mississippi State
63. Seattle: Charles Spencer, OG, Pittsburgh
64. Pittsburgh: Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
Mangold at 14? Manny Lawson at 16? Kiwanuka in the first round? There are so many things wrong with this mock.
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Old 04-27-2006, 12:10 AM   #7
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i think it's been posted recently. pretty cool....

That mock was total crap
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