Our draft sucked... but what's new?

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it.

And for the record, Winston Justice, D'Qwell Jackson, Jimmy Williams, & Marcus McNeil all DID go in the second round.

wheelman · 04-30-2006, 05:00 PM

We don't know what round he would have been drafted in because different publications had him going in different spots. He's one of those guys that scouts had widely varying opinions on. And I still don't buy the Smith trade talk that was posted in another thread because there is no link provided. Until I see him actually traded, I will go on assuming that he will be moved to corner.

spkb25 · 04-30-2006, 05:09 PM

hey wheel just to post to you in one of paytons audio clips and i think it is on the harper pick he did say we weren't looking to move any safety's to corner. obviously that could change but that is what he said

wheelman · 04-30-2006, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by wheelman

You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it.

And for the record, Winston Justice, D'Qwell Jackson, Jimmy Williams, & Marcus McNeil all DID go in the second round.

All of the players you mentioned were selected before the 43rd pick, except for McNeil.

But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season.

Keep trying.

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by wheelman

You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it.

And for the record, Winston Justice, D'Qwell Jackson, Jimmy Williams, & Marcus McNeil all DID go in the second round.

All of the players you mentioned were selected before the 43rd pick.

But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season.

Keep trying.

Uhmm....Before the trade, we had the #34 pick. Hello, McFly???

pakowitz · 04-30-2006, 05:16 PM

but we made the move back to get us a center with NFL starting experience... and we still got a good player

wheelman · 04-30-2006, 05:29 PM

We traded with Cleveland in order to get a veteran starting center, because the front office and coaching staff were obviously not impressed with the centers available after Mangold. We already have two players capable of filling the hole at right tackle in Stinch and Mayberry, so center became priority of the offense. And I didn't like McNeil anyway. Frankly, I think he looks like a lazy fat*** that succeeded because of the players around him.

On defense, remember, you people were the ones praising the hiring of Gibbs as the defensive coordinator. I didn't like it, but I was attacked for it. I see not drafting a linebacker as a direct result of his input. The man must believe they can field a competent defense with the linebacking corps the way it is.

The addition of Reggie Bush also improves our defense. Having him on the roster means improved field position and longer Time of possession. A defense can do wonders if it has 35 to 40 minutes to rest on the bench.

spkb25 · 04-30-2006, 05:31 PM

hey wheel or if you are scoring points and making teams catch up that always helps. hey we as saint fans know something about that.

TIGERSAINT31 · 04-30-2006, 07:43 PM

I know some people are down on the harper pick, but he was rated to go anywhere from mid second to early third which is where we took him. I will hold off on my opinion and see what he does on the field. I would have rather had a cornerback that would evetually be a starter, but he is a saint now let's see what he's got.

saintswhodi · 04-30-2006, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

that QB was Delhomme, and yes i remember, i was standing a foot away from my tv screen, cursing bellamy's name.

If anyone hasn't said it, that was David Carr.

04-30-2006, 04:58 PM	#131
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by wheelman You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it. And for the record, Winston Justice, D'Qwell Jackson, Jimmy Williams, & Marcus McNeil all DID go in the second round.

04-30-2006, 05:00 PM	#132
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	We don't know what round he would have been drafted in because different publications had him going in different spots. He's one of those guys that scouts had widely varying opinions on. And I still don't buy the Smith trade talk that was posted in another thread because there is no link provided. Until I see him actually traded, I will go on assuming that he will be moved to corner.
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04-30-2006, 05:10 PM	#134
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by wheelman You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it. And for the record, Winston Justice, D'Qwell Jackson, Jimmy Williams, & Marcus McNeil all DID go in the second round. All of the players you mentioned were selected before the 43rd pick, except for McNeil. But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season. Keep trying.
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04-30-2006, 05:13 PM	#135
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by wheelman Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by wheelman You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it. And for the record, Winston Justice, D'Qwell Jackson, Jimmy Williams, & Marcus McNeil all DID go in the second round. All of the players you mentioned were selected before the 43rd pick. But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season. Keep trying. Uhmm....Before the trade, we had the #34 pick. Hello, McFly???

04-30-2006, 05:29 PM	#137
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	We traded with Cleveland in order to get a veteran starting center, because the front office and coaching staff were obviously not impressed with the centers available after Mangold. We already have two players capable of filling the hole at right tackle in Stinch and Mayberry, so center became priority of the offense. And I didn't like McNeil anyway. Frankly, I think he looks like a lazy fat*** that succeeded because of the players around him. On defense, remember, you people were the ones praising the hiring of Gibbs as the defensive coordinator. I didn't like it, but I was attacked for it. I see not drafting a linebacker as a direct result of his input. The man must believe they can field a competent defense with the linebacking corps the way it is. The addition of Reggie Bush also improves our defense. Having him on the roster means improved field position and longer Time of possession. A defense can do wonders if it has 35 to 40 minutes to rest on the bench.
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04-30-2006, 05:09 PM	#133
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	hey wheel just to post to you in one of paytons audio clips and i think it is on the harper pick he did say we weren't looking to move any safety's to corner. obviously that could change but that is what he said

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	but we made the move back to get us a center with NFL starting experience... and we still got a good player

04-30-2006, 05:31 PM	#138
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	hey wheel or if you are scoring points and making teams catch up that always helps. hey we as saint fans know something about that.

04-30-2006, 07:43 PM	#139
TIGERSAINT31 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Smithdale M.S. Posts: 107	I know some people are down on the harper pick, but he was rated to go anywhere from mid second to early third which is where we took him. I will hold off on my opinion and see what he does on the field. I would have rather had a cornerback that would evetually be a starter, but he is a saint now let's see what he's got.

04-30-2006, 07:49 PM	#140
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue that QB was Delhomme, and yes i remember, i was standing a foot away from my tv screen, cursing bellamy's name. If anyone hasn't said it, that was David Carr.