James Allen gone for the year

FatiusJeebs · 05-25-2006, 02:22 PM

He held his own last year. I think with time and experience....he wil develop into something reliable. Whats the worst that could happen...he gets worse? So we cut him.

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 02:25 PM

After trying him at the starting MLB position. Great plan.

papz · 05-25-2006, 02:34 PM

So seeing how you read the end part of that statement also... I don't think I could explain it anymore. Why restrict a guy who's proven he much more than a special teamer? Wouldn't he regress and not improve? He's been getting better the past two seasons and though I don't think he's ready to start at MLB yet, I don't see why he shouldn't start. If we're in this so-called rebuilding stage, and if the staff feels he's someone that will continue to get better, why not let him continue to learn on the job? What are we losing? If Haggans and Foote weren't given the chance, no one would have ever known they would be that good.

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

But just in case we're not, colby has not had ONE great LB to learn from, and his coaching came from Haz and Venturi. In one offseason, with unproven coaches, I am supposed to assume he is ready to take a leap into starting MLB territory? Yes sir, we can close the book on this one.

Come on sw... and we know he won't be able to handle it because? Give the man a chance before you shut the door. An unproven head coach we might have, but the others are hardly unproven. I guess we'll find out when it's all said and done. Don't say I didn't tell you in advance... 130 tackles this year!

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 02:43 PM

What are we losing by letting a guy who has never played MLB and is barely better than your average special teamer START at MLB? Oh, well, I guess we're losing nothing then. He's been so awesome these past two years, should be a natural transition. A guy who hasn't cause one fumble in two years, and has averaged 50 tackles, is now gonna take over at MLB, and get 130 tackles? What are we losing? Wow.

papz · 05-25-2006, 02:46 PM

Well seeing how we were 3-13 last year... not much. And seeing how he's the best of the rest of the bunch, who else would you rather have in there? It's obvious there are people who does see something in the guy.

FatiusJeebs · 05-25-2006, 02:50 PM

Look at it this way. We are dealing with Coach Payton. Mr. Character. The bottom line is this.....if Colby was that terrible we would probably let him go somehow. But I bet you he saw in Colby what most of us have seen......undying effort. Sure he may not be starting material but he never gave up or quit on ANY given play. The guy has heart and decent skills. Thats more than you can say for "stud" like D. Howard. Buckwoldt is just another one of those workhorses that you love to see because he NEVER EVER QUITS! Like everything else.....with time.....he will develop. A lot of the good linebackers in the league started off as little scrappers loaded with pads. I'm sure Colby, in time, will develop and sharpen his skills. And...as I said.....if he does not.....we cut him. But I doubt that will happen. I actually think he can and will flourish.

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 02:50 PM

Yes, they see something, they see he is the best of a bunch of bad options, like I said 4 posts ago. Le's not go in circles here papzy. :P

There's also a reason had Reggie bush been drafted by the Texans, we would have gotten AJ Hawk at two. Colby's not the answer dude. He's the best of a squad of worse options.

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 02:55 PM

Look at it this way. We are dealing with Coach Payton. Mr. Character. The bottom line is this.....if Colby was that terrible we would probably let him go somehow.

Like sullivan? Oh wait, he's still here and more than likely starting. You must mean like bouman? Oh wait, still here. Then you HAVE to mean like Jacox right? Nope still here. Ok, I am 100% certain you mean like Craft. What? He's still here too? No way. I mean, if they were terrible, like we know those duds are, coach Payton would have gotten rid of them right? Or maybe he has no other options. Can we add Carney to that list?

papz · 05-25-2006, 02:56 PM

Which remains to be seen... season starts in September. 8)

Final stats - 138 tackles and 3 sacks 1 int... get it while it's hot. Anyone else want to ask my magic 8 ball something?

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Which remains to be seen... season starts in September. 8)

Final stats - 138 tackles and 3 sacks 1 int... get it while it's hot. Anyone else want to ask my magic 8 ball something?

Yeah, if you're ever gonna put that dooby down, you're wasted.

05-25-2006, 02:22 PM	#31
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	He held his own last year. I think with time and experience....he wil develop into something reliable. Whats the worst that could happen...he gets worse? So we cut him.
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973

05-25-2006, 02:34 PM	#33
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	So seeing how you read the end part of that statement also... I don't think I could explain it anymore. Why restrict a guy who's proven he much more than a special teamer? Wouldn't he regress and not improve? He's been getting better the past two seasons and though I don't think he's ready to start at MLB yet, I don't see why he shouldn't start. If we're in this so-called rebuilding stage, and if the staff feels he's someone that will continue to get better, why not let him continue to learn on the job? What are we losing? If Haggans and Foote weren't given the chance, no one would have ever known they would be that good. Originally Posted by saintswhodi But just in case we're not, colby has not had ONE great LB to learn from, and his coaching came from Haz and Venturi. In one offseason, with unproven coaches, I am supposed to assume he is ready to take a leap into starting MLB territory? Yes sir, we can close the book on this one. Come on sw... and we know he won't be able to handle it because? Give the man a chance before you shut the door. An unproven head coach we might have, but the others are hardly unproven. I guess we'll find out when it's all said and done. Don't say I didn't tell you in advance... 130 tackles this year!

05-25-2006, 02:50 PM	#36
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Look at it this way. We are dealing with Coach Payton. Mr. Character. The bottom line is this.....if Colby was that terrible we would probably let him go somehow. But I bet you he saw in Colby what most of us have seen......undying effort. Sure he may not be starting material but he never gave up or quit on ANY given play. The guy has heart and decent skills. Thats more than you can say for "stud" like D. Howard. Buckwoldt is just another one of those workhorses that you love to see because he NEVER EVER QUITS! Like everything else.....with time.....he will develop. A lot of the good linebackers in the league started off as little scrappers loaded with pads. I'm sure Colby, in time, will develop and sharpen his skills. And...as I said.....if he does not.....we cut him. But I doubt that will happen. I actually think he can and will flourish.
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973

05-25-2006, 02:59 PM	#40
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by papz Which remains to be seen... season starts in September. 8) Final stats - 138 tackles and 3 sacks 1 int... get it while it's hot. Anyone else want to ask my magic 8 ball something? Yeah, if you're ever gonna put that dooby down, you're wasted.

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05-25-2006, 02:25 PM	#32
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	After trying him at the starting MLB position. Great plan.

05-25-2006, 02:43 PM	#34
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	What are we losing by letting a guy who has never played MLB and is barely better than your average special teamer START at MLB? Oh, well, I guess we're losing nothing then. He's been so awesome these past two years, should be a natural transition. A guy who hasn't cause one fumble in two years, and has averaged 50 tackles, is now gonna take over at MLB, and get 130 tackles? What are we losing? Wow.

05-25-2006, 02:46 PM	#35
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Well seeing how we were 3-13 last year... not much. And seeing how he's the best of the rest of the bunch, who else would you rather have in there? It's obvious there are people who does see something in the guy.

05-25-2006, 02:55 PM	#38
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Look at it this way. We are dealing with Coach Payton. Mr. Character. The bottom line is this.....if Colby was that terrible we would probably let him go somehow. Like sullivan? Oh wait, he's still here and more than likely starting. You must mean like bouman? Oh wait, still here. Then you HAVE to mean like Jacox right? Nope still here. Ok, I am 100% certain you mean like Craft. What? He's still here too? No way. I mean, if they were terrible, like we know those duds are, coach Payton would have gotten rid of them right? Or maybe he has no other options. Can we add Carney to that list?

05-25-2006, 02:56 PM	#39
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Which remains to be seen... season starts in September. 8) Final stats - 138 tackles and 3 sacks 1 int... get it while it's hot. Anyone else want to ask my magic 8 ball something?