saints trade johnathon sullivan

saintswhodi · 06-06-2006, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by GoldRush26

I can't believe some are saying this was a bad move. Have they forgotten how absolutely HORRIBLE that fat tub of goo called Sullivan is??? Do they not remember that draft day disappointment when it appeared we were trading up to get Terrell Suggs only to wind up with this simp? I was HYPED when i read this trade on the ticker and my roomate was like "Dude Bethel Johnson isn't good". I told him I would have taken a bag of chips for Sully and the very fact that we got someone of some use for him is exciting to me. We have yet another blazer that can stretch the field even more. I don't think this has anything to do with Stallworth, but I agree that the writing is on the wall. Payton is making it perfectly clear that it doesn't matter where you were picked in the draft or how much money you make, if you don't conform, you won't be here. Stallworth better shape up quick or he won't be too far behind Sully. He's New England's problem now.

I agree with your post, except the part about Terrell Suggs. Most actually thought we were moving up for Marcus Trufant, ESPN even said that's who they thought our pick was when we moved up, cause we had been weak at corner for years, and we had Grant and Howard already playing end, and Suggs did not fit any scheme we had. Other than that though, agreed, en toto.

NewMexSaint · 06-06-2006, 08:52 AM

http://blogs.bengalszone.com/?cat=51

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“The HamburglarÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? has struck again.

Bengals OT Willie Anderson, who opened GeorgiaÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s first ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“FatburgerÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? restaurant earlier this year, treated his teammates to a lunch of the big, tasty burgers on Friday.

Lo and behold, DT Shaun ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“The HamburglarÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Smith was seen leaving the lunchroom with a takeout box of Fatburgers ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â and munching on one in his hand.

Smith got his nickname last season. He was waived by New Orleans on Nov. 30, 2004, two days after he and fellow DT Johnathan Sullivan visited the Georgia Dome press box for a pregame snack. They were inactive for the game in Atlanta. Both were seen leaving the press box with a couple of hamburgers each. Saints head coach Jim Haslett said the incident played a factor in SmithÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s release.

HILARIOUS!!!!!

hagan714 · 06-06-2006, 09:07 AM

Henderson (WWL) never forgave Sully for taking the last piece of Cheese Cake in the press box spread either. Boy he spent more time at the free food spread the first two years than on the field

Bise · 06-06-2006, 11:03 AM

So we get Bethel Johnson (another WR) which gives us more lattitude to trade Donte to SD for Donnie Edwards....

Maybe that is the new plan?

mikesaintfan · 06-06-2006, 12:11 PM

sully is gone woohooo.....
alot of pieces to make a trade for something worth having on the team

NOSaints · 06-06-2006, 12:24 PM

Does anybody really know if we're actually saving money this way? Will we be taking any cap penalties because of the trade?

Sullivan still will cost more than $5 million against the Saints' salary cap during the next two seasons, stemming from his original signing bonus. But they will be relieved of his scheduled 2006 salary of $689,083.

JimBone · 06-06-2006, 01:07 PM

The move was absolutely not about money...it was about Payton saying, "I dont care where you were drafted, or what the other regime promised you, you have to prove yourself to me and do things my way." Sullivan was an example. Getting Johnson will hopefully fuel Stallworth to do the right thing and shape up and get Henderson to try to be more consistent because the opportunity is there for them to thrive. Being honest, we dont have a receiver thats ready to step up and start for us. Henderson, Johnson, Lyman, Hass, C. Horn...all these guys are 3 or 4 receivers...not starters.

NOSaints · 06-06-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by saintsrule

I wish he had stayed and done well. But I sure will not miss all that hate he gets. I think it takes time for most players to play well. But it seems every draft pick is expected to be great their first year.

Certain positions are capable of being productive immediately, others require that the player get broken in to the NFL slowly and mature. Regardless of the aforementioned though, a player must have a good work ethic, and a desire to make a difference as well as a good motor. These are the things Sully did not have. maybe Bellichick can light a fire under him, but haz couldn't and Payton had no desire to. I think he saw too much of a downside in Sully. He can't waste time on a player that does not look like he wants to win. All the hate Sully got, he deserved. He made his bed, and now he is having to sleep in it.

saintswhodi · 06-06-2006, 01:30 PM

He made his bed, and now he is having to sleep in it.

Or eat it.

DJLengai · 06-06-2006, 03:36 PM

Remember 2 seasons ago when Haslett was talikng to Tony Siragusa and asked him, "Why do you fat guys always need to be cut before you start playing?" Would be very ironic if Sullivan turns it on in NE and he and Wilfork dominate. Something tells me we will be bringing in a new DT from somewhere soon like we did with the LB's.

06-06-2006, 08:43 AM	#41
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by GoldRush26 I can't believe some are saying this was a bad move. Have they forgotten how absolutely HORRIBLE that fat tub of goo called Sullivan is??? Do they not remember that draft day disappointment when it appeared we were trading up to get Terrell Suggs only to wind up with this simp? I was HYPED when i read this trade on the ticker and my roomate was like "Dude Bethel Johnson isn't good". I told him I would have taken a bag of chips for Sully and the very fact that we got someone of some use for him is exciting to me. We have yet another blazer that can stretch the field even more. I don't think this has anything to do with Stallworth, but I agree that the writing is on the wall. Payton is making it perfectly clear that it doesn't matter where you were picked in the draft or how much money you make, if you don't conform, you won't be here. Stallworth better shape up quick or he won't be too far behind Sully. He's New England's problem now. I agree with your post, except the part about Terrell Suggs. Most actually thought we were moving up for Marcus Trufant, ESPN even said that's who they thought our pick was when we moved up, cause we had been weak at corner for years, and we had Grant and Howard already playing end, and Suggs did not fit any scheme we had. Other than that though, agreed, en toto.

06-06-2006, 08:52 AM	#42
NewMexSaint 100th Post Join Date: May 2006 Location: Farmington, NM Posts: 141	http://blogs.bengalszone.com/?cat=51 ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“The HamburglarÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? has struck again. Bengals OT Willie Anderson, who opened GeorgiaÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s first ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“FatburgerÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? restaurant earlier this year, treated his teammates to a lunch of the big, tasty burgers on Friday. Lo and behold, DT Shaun ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“The HamburglarÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Smith was seen leaving the lunchroom with a takeout box of Fatburgers ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â and munching on one in his hand. Smith got his nickname last season. He was waived by New Orleans on Nov. 30, 2004, two days after he and fellow DT Johnathan Sullivan visited the Georgia Dome press box for a pregame snack. They were inactive for the game in Atlanta. Both were seen leaving the press box with a couple of hamburgers each. Saints head coach Jim Haslett said the incident played a factor in SmithÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s release. HILARIOUS!!!!!
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06-06-2006, 11:03 AM	#44
Bise 100th Post Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 154	So we get Bethel Johnson (another WR) which gives us more lattitude to trade Donte to SD for Donnie Edwards.... Maybe that is the new plan?
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06-06-2006, 01:07 PM	#47
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	The move was absolutely not about money...it was about Payton saying, "I dont care where you were drafted, or what the other regime promised you, you have to prove yourself to me and do things my way." Sullivan was an example. Getting Johnson will hopefully fuel Stallworth to do the right thing and shape up and get Henderson to try to be more consistent because the opportunity is there for them to thrive. Being honest, we dont have a receiver thats ready to step up and start for us. Henderson, Johnson, Lyman, Hass, C. Horn...all these guys are 3 or 4 receivers...not starters.
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06-06-2006, 01:11 PM	#48
NOSaints 100th Post Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lakewood, California Posts: 113	Originally Posted by saintsrule I wish he had stayed and done well. But I sure will not miss all that hate he gets. I think it takes time for most players to play well. But it seems every draft pick is expected to be great their first year. Certain positions are capable of being productive immediately, others require that the player get broken in to the NFL slowly and mature. Regardless of the aforementioned though, a player must have a good work ethic, and a desire to make a difference as well as a good motor. These are the things Sully did not have. maybe Bellichick can light a fire under him, but haz couldn't and Payton had no desire to. I think he saw too much of a downside in Sully. He can't waste time on a player that does not look like he wants to win. All the hate Sully got, he deserved. He made his bed, and now he is having to sleep in it.

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06-06-2006, 09:07 AM	#43
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Henderson (WWL) never forgave Sully for taking the last piece of Cheese Cake in the press box spread either. Boy he spent more time at the free food spread the first two years than on the field

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mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	sully is gone woohooo..... alot of pieces to make a trade for something worth having on the team

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NOSaints 100th Post Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lakewood, California Posts: 113	Does anybody really know if we're actually saving money this way? Will we be taking any cap penalties because of the trade? Sullivan still will cost more than $5 million against the Saints' salary cap during the next two seasons, stemming from his original signing bonus. But they will be relieved of his scheduled 2006 salary of $689,083.

06-06-2006, 01:30 PM	#49
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	He made his bed, and now he is having to sleep in it. Or eat it.

06-06-2006, 03:36 PM	#50
DJLengai 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 168	Remember 2 seasons ago when Haslett was talikng to Tony Siragusa and asked him, "Why do you fat guys always need to be cut before you start playing?" Would be very ironic if Sullivan turns it on in NE and he and Wilfork dominate. Something tells me we will be bringing in a new DT from somewhere soon like we did with the LB's.
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