Saints not short on offensive weapons

AllSaints · 06-12-2006, 05:35 PM

Lewis and Bush returning kicks are you crazy thats will be a teams nightmare !!!! Lewis on the punts special teams will win use some games this year guys i can see it already !!

jdiggy · 06-12-2006, 09:06 PM

Scroll down to the 5th section of the article. Loomis talks about using Reggie on special teams.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5576238

HA! Loomis is talking so much BULL! I put money, Reggie doesn't return anything.

I'd love to be wrong too... More than anything I'd love to see Reggie scoring touchdowns off of kickoffs and punts. But, they're not going to spend that kind of money to have him return kicks

AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN...

jdiggy · 06-12-2006, 09:13 PM

A little Devil's Advocate. I found the following on Wikpedia. They make a valid point as well...

Because they take the field sometimes fewer than ten times a game, most special teams players are exceptionally intense during play, making kick and punt returns home to some of the most exciting (and hardest hitting) action in a game of football. Though this makes for good spectating, it also leads to a fairly high rate of injury among special teams players, and as a result, many starters are hesitant to take up a special teams role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_teams

jdiggy · 06-12-2006, 09:20 PM

Good article about injuries in the NFL.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_291033.html

CHACHING · 06-12-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

risk versus reward. and with a player of his caliber, the risk is not worth the payoff, in my opinion. but it's always the extreme's with the fans. not allowing him to return the 5-7 punts a game (on average) translates into not letting him play at all. nevermind the fact that he'll be calling a fair catch on roughly half of those plays. i can do without him returning 2-3 punts a game, if i get to see him carry the ball an additional 5 times a game. and all it takes is one idiot 3rd string gunner to miss the fair catch call. unlike running and receiving the ball, there's no defense for that.

Is that the "Bishop" in your avy?.......

saintswhodi · 06-12-2006, 10:47 PM

Wow, heard this before:

I think the ability to score every time he touches the ball outweighs the risk of injury. You can get hurt on any play in the NFL. You cannot coach scared. I think teams get too nervous about using highly paid players on special teams ever since the Jason Sehorn injury. Tim Brown returned punts his entire career, and he was able to always play at the receiver position.

Factor returns into the "touches" for Bush during his neophyte season. He should be back on kicks

hagan714 · 06-13-2006, 07:15 AM

I do not know what they are going to do but I would like to Henderson learning that skill. If not get a mad man back there like NE had last year. Smart and fearless, speed is not always the answer. Bush I can see once in a while.

NOSaints · 06-13-2006, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

It is just a read guys

It IS just a read, but you have a bunch of ravenous fans, just waiting for something to be posted, to disect it. The cool thing is that most of the stuff said shows a lot of intelligent thought provoking stuff. Compared to the trash on that raiders site, this stuff is all golden.

NOSaints · 06-13-2006, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

i don't mind if he plays on kick returns opposite lewis, but i will cry if they have him returning punts. don't need my all-world running back being decapitated by gunners.....

I agree with B&B, why take the chance. Especially since we do have Lewis and Johnston. The reason Carolina uses Smith is because they don't have anybody else that is worth a damn. There are definitely people out there that would be gunning to take a cheap shot on Bush, especially if he starts kicking proverbial A$$ in the NFC South.

jdiggy · 06-13-2006, 10:20 AM

The reason Carolina uses Smith is because they don't have anybody else that is worth a damn.

Good point.

However, I would've loved to have seen Ricky Proehl returning kicks!

06-12-2006, 09:55 PM	#25
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue risk versus reward. and with a player of his caliber, the risk is not worth the payoff, in my opinion. but it's always the extreme's with the fans. not allowing him to return the 5-7 punts a game (on average) translates into not letting him play at all. nevermind the fact that he'll be calling a fair catch on roughly half of those plays. i can do without him returning 2-3 punts a game, if i get to see him carry the ball an additional 5 times a game. and all it takes is one idiot 3rd string gunner to miss the fair catch call. unlike running and receiving the ball, there's no defense for that. Is that the "Bishop" in your avy?.......

06-12-2006, 10:47 PM	#26
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Wow, heard this before: I think the ability to score every time he touches the ball outweighs the risk of injury. You can get hurt on any play in the NFL. You cannot coach scared. I think teams get too nervous about using highly paid players on special teams ever since the Jason Sehorn injury. Tim Brown returned punts his entire career, and he was able to always play at the receiver position. Factor returns into the "touches" for Bush during his neophyte season. He should be back on kicks

06-13-2006, 10:05 AM	#28
NOSaints 100th Post Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lakewood, California Posts: 113	Originally Posted by hagan714 It is just a read guys It IS just a read, but you have a bunch of ravenous fans, just waiting for something to be posted, to disect it. The cool thing is that most of the stuff said shows a lot of intelligent thought provoking stuff. Compared to the trash on that raiders site, this stuff is all golden.

06-13-2006, 10:13 AM	#29
NOSaints 100th Post Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lakewood, California Posts: 113	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue i don't mind if he plays on kick returns opposite lewis, but i will cry if they have him returning punts. don't need my all-world running back being decapitated by gunners..... I agree with B&B, why take the chance. Especially since we do have Lewis and Johnston. The reason Carolina uses Smith is because they don't have anybody else that is worth a damn. There are definitely people out there that would be gunning to take a cheap shot on Bush, especially if he starts kicking proverbial A$$ in the NFC South.

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AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Lewis and Bush returning kicks are you crazy thats will be a teams nightmare !!!! Lewis on the punts special teams will win use some games this year guys i can see it already !!

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06-12-2006, 09:06 PM	#22
jdiggy 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ol' Metry Posts: 239	Scroll down to the 5th section of the article. Loomis talks about using Reggie on special teams. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5576238 HA! Loomis is talking so much BULL! I put money, Reggie doesn't return anything. I'd love to be wrong too... More than anything I'd love to see Reggie scoring touchdowns off of kickoffs and punts. But, they're not going to spend that kind of money to have him return kicks AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN...

06-12-2006, 09:13 PM	#23
jdiggy 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ol' Metry Posts: 239	A little Devil's Advocate. I found the following on Wikpedia. They make a valid point as well... Because they take the field sometimes fewer than ten times a game, most special teams players are exceptionally intense during play, making kick and punt returns home to some of the most exciting (and hardest hitting) action in a game of football. Though this makes for good spectating, it also leads to a fairly high rate of injury among special teams players, and as a result, many starters are hesitant to take up a special teams role. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_teams

06-12-2006, 09:20 PM	#24
jdiggy 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ol' Metry Posts: 239	Good article about injuries in the NFL. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_291033.html

06-13-2006, 07:15 AM	#27
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	I do not know what they are going to do but I would like to Henderson learning that skill. If not get a mad man back there like NE had last year. Smart and fearless, speed is not always the answer. Bush I can see once in a while.

06-13-2006, 10:20 AM	#30
jdiggy 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ol' Metry Posts: 239	The reason Carolina uses Smith is because they don't have anybody else that is worth a damn. Good point. However, I would've loved to have seen Ricky Proehl returning kicks!