How GB will beat the Saints this weekend

xan · 09-14-2006, 01:24 PM

After finally seeing the Browns-Saints game on the NFL network the other night (GOD BLESS the NFL for finally doing these replays) I have some (probably obvious and trite) observations on what GB will do this weekend.

1) Brees focuses on the primary read too early and too long. Since the offense is new and the players are, too, timing patterns will be off. Brees zeros in on where he wants to go first too long, which will give the safety a chance to cheat a bit on the read. Which leads to...

2) Brees is late with his throws. The passes also hang a bit and have less than full zip. Play closer to the receiver, force receivers to take the outside route option and wait for the ball. Even if taking a fake, the late pass should give time to recover.

3) Attack the middle of the Saints' O-Line. Brees is uncomfortable moving in the pocket laterally. Force him to chose one side of the field and disrupt his reads. Keep the passing game from the middle of the field where his arm strength won't be an issue. Force Brees to make the long timing throw to the sidelines.

4) Run Blitz. The Saints' o-lne is suspect as it is still gelling. Run blitzing and delayed blitzing will create mismatches and force the runs to the outside where the Pack has speed to pursue. Faking the blitz will force Brees to adjust out of running up the gut. Keep the Saints' power rush game closer to the sidelines.

5) The TE was used for protection against the Browns. Expect more protection schemes for Brees, so keep the best cover linebacker in coverage away from the TE and play for the run over the TE. In 2TE sets, put 8 in the box for run stuffing as the Saints didn't have many pass plays out of that set against the Browns.

6) Joe Horn has lost at least a step and a half. Make Joe run sideline routs. Don't use the safety to help here unless he's cheating on Brees' first option tendencies.

7) Use the mobility of Farve to confuse the Saints' D. Rolling pockets, designed scrambles, anything to keep the Saints' DL from going in a straight line. Frye demonstrated that the Saints' personnel don't react well to a mobile qb. Keeping plays alive and drawn out increases the chance that the Saints' secondary will commit a foul.

8) Run up the gut. The Browns had some success running through the middle of the Saints d-line. Keep the Saints focused on the middle of the field and closer to the line of scrimmage.

9) Isolate Roman Harper. His head was on a swivel last week, and will be again this week. He was frequently out of position and even when in a position, was confused. Force a penalty and move up the field.

10) Pass to the tight end. The Saints' D had a particulary hard time with Kellen Winslow no matter who guarded him.

11) Slants are effective against the Saints' corners. The faster the better. Packers receivers are decent after the catch, so utilize that feature.

12) In the second half, running traps will take advantage of the Saints' D-line over-pursuit. Same thing with screen passes. Try to wear out the D-line by making them pursue from behind.

and finally 13) Make Bush run to the outside and keep him from the middle of the field. He avoids contact so use the sideline as a defender and he'll run out of bounds to avoid the hit. Limit his breakaways this way. Don't over-pursue.

Euphoria · 09-14-2006, 03:25 PM

I think we will get a heavy does of Ahman Green, and picking on a certain CB.

GoldRush26 · 09-14-2006, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by xan

After finally seeing the Browns-Saints game on the NFL network the other night (GOD BLESS the NFL for finally doing these replays) I have some (probably obvious and trite) observations on what GB will do this weekend.

1) Brees focuses on the primary read too early and too long. Since the offense is new and the players are, too, timing patterns will be off. Brees zeros in on where he wants to go first too long, which will give the safety a chance to cheat a bit on the read. Which leads to...

2) Brees is late with his throws. The passes also hang a bit and have less than full zip. Play closer to the receiver, force receivers to take the outside route option and wait for the ball. Even if taking a fake, the late pass should give time to recover.

3) Attack the middle of the Saints' O-Line. Brees is uncomfortable moving in the pocket laterally. Force him to chose one side of the field and disrupt his reads. Keep the passing game from the middle of the field where his arm strength won't be an issue. Force Brees to make the long timing throw to the sidelines.

4) Run Blitz. The Saints' o-lne is suspect as it is still gelling. Run blitzing and delayed blitzing will create mismatches and force the runs to the outside where the Pack has speed to pursue. Faking the blitz will force Brees to adjust out of running up the gut. Keep the Saints' power rush game closer to the sidelines.

5) The TE was used for protection against the Browns. Expect more protection schemes for Brees, so keep the best cover linebacker in coverage away from the TE and play for the run over the TE. In 2TE sets, put 8 in the box for run stuffing as the Saints didn't have many pass plays out of that set against the Browns.

6) Joe Horn has lost at least a step and a half. Make Joe run sideline routs. Don't use the safety to help here unless he's cheating on Brees' first option tendencies.

7) Use the mobility of Farve to confuse the Saints' D. Rolling pockets, designed scrambles, anything to keep the Saints' DL from going in a straight line. Frye demonstrated that the Saints' personnel don't react well to a mobile qb. Keeping plays alive and drawn out increases the chance that the Saints' secondary will commit a foul.

8) Run up the gut. The Browns had some success running through the middle of the Saints d-line. Keep the Saints focused on the middle of the field and closer to the line of scrimmage.

9) Isolate Roman Harper. His head was on a swivel last week, and will be again this week. He was frequently out of position and even when in a position, was confused. Force a penalty and move up the field.

10) Pass to the tight end. The Saints' D had a particulary hard time with Kellen Winslow no matter who guarded him.

11) Slants are effective against the Saints' corners. The faster the better. Packers receivers are decent after the catch, so utilize that feature.

12) In the second half, running traps will take advantage of the Saints' D-line over-pursuit. Same thing with screen passes. Try to wear out the D-line by making them pursue from behind.

and finally 13) Make Bush run to the outside and keep him from the middle of the field. He avoids contact so use the sideline as a defender and he'll run out of bounds to avoid the hit. Limit his breakaways this way. Don't over-pursue.

How about putting this much effort into explaining how we can WIN the game??? You are on our side, right?

shackney · 09-14-2006, 03:48 PM

XAN is a frekin nerd! New Orleans will assassinate those chumps.

GoldRush26 · 09-14-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by shackney

XAN is a frekin nerd! New Orleans will assassinate those chumps.

Man I'm not saying all that or calling him names, but we did WIN this past weekend. Sure we made mistakes but most teams in week 1 did too. All of what Xan cited as reasons we may lose are points that I'm sure were addressed this week in practice. But our team did many GOOD things he failed to point out. A lot of areas that we thought were weaknesses proved to be better than advertised. The run D kept Droughns(sp) in check, who is a 1,000 yard back. Our o-line, which was supposed to be soooooooooo horrible didn't allow a sack all game and opened up good holes for Deuce and Reggie. I'm not saying we will blow GB out or even win, but we should definitely be encouraged and not discouraged by the teams' performance this past week

SaintsfaninVA · 09-14-2006, 05:28 PM

show some support man, the packers made the bears offense look good. i predict a shootout....SAINTS 27 PACKERS 24

FanNJ · 09-14-2006, 06:55 PM

The past has a way of repeating it's self.

Euphoria · 09-14-2006, 06:56 PM

Support is one thing but being realistic is not a bad thing. Goldrush and XAN are right, the Saints are going in to GB to kick a dead dog when they are down, they are walking into a Hornets nest that has something to prove. The last time the teams met, GB was suffering and hurt and we got our buts handed to us.

gandhi1007 · 09-14-2006, 07:00 PM

The last time the teams met, GB was suffering and hurt and we got our buts handed to us

Different team, different coach, different QB. Believe me......that shallacking is still on the minds of the returning players on this team from last year. We will go to Lambeau & beat the pack! As for the rest of the season.....well, the schedule gets tougher & this team still has to gel, but this one's going in the win column!

Sarsippius · 09-14-2006, 09:07 PM

Just so we all know in the event of a Saints win....how do you like your crow prepared Xan and Euphoria?

09-14-2006, 01:24 PM	#1
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	How GB will beat the Saints this weekend After finally seeing the Browns-Saints game on the NFL network the other night (GOD BLESS the NFL for finally doing these replays) I have some (probably obvious and trite) observations on what GB will do this weekend. 1) Brees focuses on the primary read too early and too long. Since the offense is new and the players are, too, timing patterns will be off. Brees zeros in on where he wants to go first too long, which will give the safety a chance to cheat a bit on the read. Which leads to... 2) Brees is late with his throws. The passes also hang a bit and have less than full zip. Play closer to the receiver, force receivers to take the outside route option and wait for the ball. Even if taking a fake, the late pass should give time to recover. 3) Attack the middle of the Saints' O-Line. Brees is uncomfortable moving in the pocket laterally. Force him to chose one side of the field and disrupt his reads. Keep the passing game from the middle of the field where his arm strength won't be an issue. Force Brees to make the long timing throw to the sidelines. 4) Run Blitz. The Saints' o-lne is suspect as it is still gelling. Run blitzing and delayed blitzing will create mismatches and force the runs to the outside where the Pack has speed to pursue. Faking the blitz will force Brees to adjust out of running up the gut. Keep the Saints' power rush game closer to the sidelines. 5) The TE was used for protection against the Browns. Expect more protection schemes for Brees, so keep the best cover linebacker in coverage away from the TE and play for the run over the TE. In 2TE sets, put 8 in the box for run stuffing as the Saints didn't have many pass plays out of that set against the Browns. 6) Joe Horn has lost at least a step and a half. Make Joe run sideline routs. Don't use the safety to help here unless he's cheating on Brees' first option tendencies. 7) Use the mobility of Farve to confuse the Saints' D. Rolling pockets, designed scrambles, anything to keep the Saints' DL from going in a straight line. Frye demonstrated that the Saints' personnel don't react well to a mobile qb. Keeping plays alive and drawn out increases the chance that the Saints' secondary will commit a foul. 8) Run up the gut. The Browns had some success running through the middle of the Saints d-line. Keep the Saints focused on the middle of the field and closer to the line of scrimmage. 9) Isolate Roman Harper. His head was on a swivel last week, and will be again this week. He was frequently out of position and even when in a position, was confused. Force a penalty and move up the field. 10) Pass to the tight end. The Saints' D had a particulary hard time with Kellen Winslow no matter who guarded him. 11) Slants are effective against the Saints' corners. The faster the better. Packers receivers are decent after the catch, so utilize that feature. 12) In the second half, running traps will take advantage of the Saints' D-line over-pursuit. Same thing with screen passes. Try to wear out the D-line by making them pursue from behind. and finally 13) Make Bush run to the outside and keep him from the middle of the field. He avoids contact so use the sideline as a defender and he'll run out of bounds to avoid the hit. Limit his breakaways this way. Don't over-pursue.
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09-14-2006, 03:25 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: How GB will beat the Saints this weekend I think we will get a heavy does of Ahman Green, and picking on a certain CB.

09-14-2006, 03:42 PM	#3
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Re: How GB will beat the Saints this weekend Originally Posted by xan After finally seeing the Browns-Saints game on the NFL network the other night (GOD BLESS the NFL for finally doing these replays) I have some (probably obvious and trite) observations on what GB will do this weekend. 1) Brees focuses on the primary read too early and too long. Since the offense is new and the players are, too, timing patterns will be off. Brees zeros in on where he wants to go first too long, which will give the safety a chance to cheat a bit on the read. Which leads to... 2) Brees is late with his throws. The passes also hang a bit and have less than full zip. Play closer to the receiver, force receivers to take the outside route option and wait for the ball. Even if taking a fake, the late pass should give time to recover. 3) Attack the middle of the Saints' O-Line. Brees is uncomfortable moving in the pocket laterally. Force him to chose one side of the field and disrupt his reads. Keep the passing game from the middle of the field where his arm strength won't be an issue. Force Brees to make the long timing throw to the sidelines. 4) Run Blitz. The Saints' o-lne is suspect as it is still gelling. Run blitzing and delayed blitzing will create mismatches and force the runs to the outside where the Pack has speed to pursue. Faking the blitz will force Brees to adjust out of running up the gut. Keep the Saints' power rush game closer to the sidelines. 5) The TE was used for protection against the Browns. Expect more protection schemes for Brees, so keep the best cover linebacker in coverage away from the TE and play for the run over the TE. In 2TE sets, put 8 in the box for run stuffing as the Saints didn't have many pass plays out of that set against the Browns. 6) Joe Horn has lost at least a step and a half. Make Joe run sideline routs. Don't use the safety to help here unless he's cheating on Brees' first option tendencies. 7) Use the mobility of Farve to confuse the Saints' D. Rolling pockets, designed scrambles, anything to keep the Saints' DL from going in a straight line. Frye demonstrated that the Saints' personnel don't react well to a mobile qb. Keeping plays alive and drawn out increases the chance that the Saints' secondary will commit a foul. 8) Run up the gut. The Browns had some success running through the middle of the Saints d-line. Keep the Saints focused on the middle of the field and closer to the line of scrimmage. 9) Isolate Roman Harper. His head was on a swivel last week, and will be again this week. He was frequently out of position and even when in a position, was confused. Force a penalty and move up the field. 10) Pass to the tight end. The Saints' D had a particulary hard time with Kellen Winslow no matter who guarded him. 11) Slants are effective against the Saints' corners. The faster the better. Packers receivers are decent after the catch, so utilize that feature. 12) In the second half, running traps will take advantage of the Saints' D-line over-pursuit. Same thing with screen passes. Try to wear out the D-line by making them pursue from behind. and finally 13) Make Bush run to the outside and keep him from the middle of the field. He avoids contact so use the sideline as a defender and he'll run out of bounds to avoid the hit. Limit his breakaways this way. Don't over-pursue. How about putting this much effort into explaining how we can WIN the game??? You are on our side, right?
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09-14-2006, 03:48 PM	#4
shackney 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: toledo Posts: 219	RE: Re: How GB will beat the Saints this weekend XAN is a frekin nerd! New Orleans will assassinate those chumps.

09-14-2006, 03:55 PM	#5
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Re: RE: Re: How GB will beat the Saints this weekend Originally Posted by shackney XAN is a frekin nerd! New Orleans will assassinate those chumps. Man I'm not saying all that or calling him names, but we did WIN this past weekend. Sure we made mistakes but most teams in week 1 did too. All of what Xan cited as reasons we may lose are points that I'm sure were addressed this week in practice. But our team did many GOOD things he failed to point out. A lot of areas that we thought were weaknesses proved to be better than advertised. The run D kept Droughns(sp) in check, who is a 1,000 yard back. Our o-line, which was supposed to be soooooooooo horrible didn't allow a sack all game and opened up good holes for Deuce and Reggie. I'm not saying we will blow GB out or even win, but we should definitely be encouraged and not discouraged by the teams' performance this past week
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: Re: RE: Re: How GB will beat the Saints this weekend Support is one thing but being realistic is not a bad thing. Goldrush and XAN are right, the Saints are going in to GB to kick a dead dog when they are down, they are walking into a Hornets nest that has something to prove. The last time the teams met, GB was suffering and hurt and we got our buts handed to us.

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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	RE: Re: RE: Re: How GB will beat the Saints this weekend The last time the teams met, GB was suffering and hurt and we got our buts handed to us Different team, different coach, different QB. Believe me......that shallacking is still on the minds of the returning players on this team from last year. We will go to Lambeau & beat the pack! As for the rest of the season.....well, the schedule gets tougher & this team still has to gel, but this one's going in the win column!