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LSUJeremy 09-19-2006 10:01 AM

Main concern for the game Monday
 
In two games against good run stopping defenses in Carolina and Tampa Bay the Falcons have rushed for close to 600yds.

We've done pretty well against the run in the first two games, but the Falcons are better run teams than the Browns and Packers, and the Bucs and Panthers probably have better defenses then we do.

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-19-2006 01:19 PM

RE: Main concern for the game Monday
 
It'll certainly be a test for the defense.

On the other hand, the Falcon defense has been playing one dimensional, hobbled offenses in the Panthers and Bucs the last two weeks too. The Saints offense this season has shown to be versitile, ball controlling, but with quick strike capability. The line has held up better than anyone could have imagined, and Brees put up 353 yards on Sunday.

I've seen both of the Falcons games. A disciplined secondary that allows the front seven to slow down Dunn and contain Vick can cause Falcons mistakes. Brees will handle the pressure and the Falcons (even with Grady Jackson) can still be smacked in the mouth in the run game.

There's nothing here that's cut and dried.

I cannot wait.

SFIAH

yasoon 09-19-2006 01:27 PM

Hey SFIAH.

Where in ATL are you? I can't remember if I've asked you that before.

I'm in Alpharetta.

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-19-2006 02:39 PM

Lithonia near Stonecrest mall.

SFIAH

BrooksMustGo 09-19-2006 02:43 PM

10 in the box and MM on Crumpler until Ron Mexico shows he can throw the ball?

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-19-2006 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo
10 in the box and MM on Crumpler until Ron Mexico shows he can throw the ball?

I'm going to try my best not to sound like a Falcons homer. This is intel from behind enemy lines:

All three Falcons receivers are #1 picks. They do have the skillset to have an effective passing game. So when the Saints slow the Falcons rush offense, it is imperitive that we cover those guys.

It's just that so far, there is no need to pass when that rushing offense is averaging 6.2 YPR and 275 YPG.

So the Saints defense still wants to get that offense into passing situations, as it's not their comfort zone.

I think the best thing to do is beat them at their own game. Our offense needs to hold the ball, move the ball, and be productive in the red zone. The Falcons simply cannot continue with their gameplan if they don't have the ball to do it. Points and shortened time in the game will force them to pass.

SFIAH

AllSaints 09-19-2006 04:10 PM

Main person we have to stop Vick its that easy we stop vick we win.....

FanNJ 09-19-2006 04:33 PM

Stop the run and force Vick to throw On D. He is no Brett farve and has proven season after season to not be the most accurate passer.

Heavy dose of Duce on offense running the ball. And controlled passes to the backs out of the backfield. The falcon's DB's could have a field day on passes downfield from Brees. This is no Green Bays D.

Tobias-Reiper 09-19-2006 04:41 PM

The Saints need to switch to a 3-4 for this game. Have the front three occupy 5-6 O-linemen, then bring in the LB's to cover the gaps. The backfield strictly man-to-man.

XtremeSaint 09-19-2006 04:48 PM

if we hold the run like weve been, then well be okay but its vick that scares me

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-19-2006 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllSaints
Main person we have to stop Vick its that easy we stop vick we win.....

I disagree. Dunn is the key. When he rushes well, their offense goes in the right direction.

You don't try to stop Vick. That means attacking him, and he feeds off that because he's generally faster than the player that's attacking him. You have to bottle Vick up, contain him. Preferably make him throw the ball into a tight spot. Your D-Line has to create a pocket he cannot escape from and have some type of spy to make sure he doesn't escape out the back. You would literally do better with a slowly collapsing pocket.

Or even better. The best way to shut down a ball control offense is to have your own ball control offense. I don't think the Falcons D is as tough as everyone thinks it is.

SFIAH

ssmitty 09-19-2006 05:19 PM

consider this.....
in two wins, the saints offense has worn the defense down....
while katrina could be to blame for the saints season last year,
we also had hass, and less conditioning in my mind.......
3 and out seemed like our motto....................
if payton can continue to direct the offense and keep the defense
on the field, this yr in itself could become very exciting........
i think payton is fully focused on this atlanta team.......
and also remember, the falcons have come out the gate
quickly the last few years, in fact, they pretty much manhandled us
or in laymans terms, had their way with us.......
what if we pull the tables conditioning wise........
what if we get in their faces for a change?
what if we downright slap these be atches.................
(of course we could get killed too......)
but, i don't think so, not til another team proves it to me..
while vick may run free, he'd better be careful...................smitty

LongTimeFan 09-19-2006 07:37 PM

I think the Saints stop Dunn right away and force Vick to win the game putting him in a lot of passing situations keeping him contained in the pocket, do not let him run outside, but again I think it's starts with stopping Dunn which I strongly feel the Saints can do, stop Dunn and Vick will have all the pressure.
Anyone remember the Bears playing the Falcons last year, they stopped Dunn in his tracks and they then with after Vick bringing his ass to the ground a few times, I think that Vick will never forget that game, I loved it being I HATE the Falcons (sorry if there are Falcon fans here)
Also, we may just simply out score them being the Falcons haven't put more than 14 points on the board yet this season but we scored over 30...
If I'm Payton I run Deuce often in the first quarter and give Bush a few plays to mix it up with Deuce than I'd start a pass attack and see if the Falcons can stop us. (hard pat will be to protect Brees)
Oh , I'd tell my guys that if that get close to Vick to hit him with everything they got in them and to do this often to make Vick think twice about running outside, I want him to pay dearly, nothing would make me feel happier..

Go Saints..

D24pick 09-19-2006 07:53 PM

That's bulldiddly poo!

All that about Dunn and the running game-won't happen! Me don't know why but everytime Dunn goes and plays superb vs all the other teams with better D's, he gets to us and plays very subpar....He averages 88 yards vs us, and don't even get me started with Vick's horrible stats vs us...All their good games, were in 02, 01' and 03'

How come we passed so good on these guys when we had horrible Brooks??? Last yr we played super even when Deuce and Horn was unhealthy...They let a washed up 33 yr old Antwan Smith rush for 100+ yards on them, and they never stop Deuce under a 100, so how are they gonna stop Deuce and Bush

Brees is gonna have a really good game, Horn is healthy my boi, he'll take up a FS on most plays along with Hall...Now who's gonna stick 6'4" with hops and soft hands Colston, DH is on a streak, there's no LB nor safety who can match his speed...

Face it, we are gonna have a good game all-around, if they do beat us it'll be because they'll cheat us on a penalty(like last yr) or they'll come back with a miracle


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