Keyuo Craver??
 

Dale Carter has been in the leauge for 11 years and Ambrose for 12 years. Not too many cornerbacks play that well after being in the leauge that long. Maybe they do or do not have a couple more good years left in them. I think Keyuo Craver showed signs that he can be a very good cornerback in the NFL. I think experience is sometimes overrated. Of course experience does help but if you can't get there it doesn't help much to have experience. If either of our starting cornerbacks struggles early, I would put Keyou in.

Keyuo Craver??
 

Did you mean that if you can\'t get there, then you don\'t have experience at all? That\'s the way I see it. And experience goes a long way- otherwise, players like Bryan Cox would have been forced into retirement 5 years ago. All I know about Craver is what limited action I saw last year and what the coaching staff feeds us. I\'d still force him to earn a starting spot.

Keyuo Craver??
 

What i mean is that speed at cornerback is very important at the cornerback position. Experience does help but if you don\'t have the speed to keep up with a guy then experience is going to help you catch up with a receiver. And as for as Brian Cox what has he done?

Keyuo Craver??
 

Bryan Cox Career Statistics

Tackles- 938 (680 solo; 258 assists)
Sacks- 51.5
Sack Yardage- 197
Forced fumbles- 22
Interceptions- 4
Hey, man, you asked.

Do not make the mistake of putting speed on a higher pedistal than experience for CB\'s. Experience keeps you from making a play on the ball when you know a flag will be thrown for pass interference. Experience is the difference between knowing where the ref\'s are in relation to where the play is, when and where not to give a little tug to the jersey, and the ability to read the quarterback. Experience is the difference between 4th-and-7 and a 15 yard penalty, 1st down.

Keyuo Craver??
 

If i have to have open heart surgery then i will take an experienced surgeon. But if i need to keep the ball out of the hands of a receiver give me a fast cornerback.

Keyuo Craver??
 

I think Keyou could be a pretty good corner. He was a great deal at the slot we got in the draft. I liken him to a slightly faster Toi Cook. And I liked Tio...not loved but liked..

Keyuo Craver??
 

Hey BlackandBlue..give me Brian Cox\'s stats for the last 2 years???????????

Keyuo Craver??
 

Bryan Cox, one of my favorite subjects. The way I see it, the stats B&B put up are what Cox should be all about. We have NO linebackers with any experience. If Bryan Cox knows anything it\'s how to play linebacker. I\'d vote to keep him here, if for no other reason than to teach these kids how to play the position. :)

Keyuo Craver??
 

brian cox most likely will be signed but as a coach

Keyuo Craver??
 

I respect Brian Cox and what he has accomplished but my point was about experience. His experience will count little towards what he can do on the field now.

Keyuo Craver??
 

That might be true Billy but I sure wouldn\'t want to be the one to try to run over him. Or even tell him he can\'t play anymore LOL.

Keyuo Craver??
 

Ok, fine, we can open discussion on his past two years. In 2001 with the Patriots, he had 49 tackles (37 solo, 12 assists), 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, and 0 interceptions. If you think that the Saints brought him in here for his mad skills, you are sorely mistaken. He was brought in for his experience, and was given a roster spot for it, and only it.
I\'m not trying to say that speed is not important- it is. But I don\'t think you put enough value in experience. You\'ve got players like Kevin Garrett who runs a 4.33/40 and Rhett Nelson who runs a 4.35/40. You going to take these two over a Deltha O\'Neal (4.55/40) or a Fred Smoot (4.5/40) simply because they are faster?

Keyuo Craver??
 

Black and Blue....Speed vs. Experience. If you have speed you can get the experience. If you have experience you cannot get the speed. Do you agree? I\'m going to assume you will say yes, so let me finish this out. If I have a choice to take an experienced player who has lost a step or take a guy with speed and potential i\'ll take speed every time. Remember, speed kills.

Keyuo Craver??
 

I\'ll agree with you there, as up until now, I have not seen a reference towards \"with potential\" anywhere else in your posts...wait...nope, not there, save for the very first post. But since that post you have clearly stated that you would take speed over experience.
Craver has potential, but again, I\'d make him earn that starting job. If he turns out to be better than Ambrose or Carter, great, we are a much better team. But I\'m not ready to hand him the starting position based on his speed alone and the fact that he has potential. Some scouts say Garrett has potential, but that is one of those words that are used quite often that have no definitive meaning. I have a strong right arm and made very few, if any, errors on the baseball field- so it would be safe to say that I had potential- potential to play college ball, which never happened.

Keyuo Craver??
 

I\'m sure you have baseball potential but what\'s you 40 time?

Keyuo Craver??
 

4.7/40, but that was in high school. And we all know speed is not that relevant to baseball.

Keyuo Craver??
 

O.K.>B&B...you made some very good points. Nothing can take the place of experience, not even speed. Both are very important. I just wanted to bring out the best in ya.

Keyuo Craver??
 

Be careful what you ask for around here BillyC. This bunch just might give it to you and then some. LOL :D

Keyuo Craver??
 

There is no way possible that Keyou Craver will beat out Carter, Ambrose, or even Thomas for that matter. Experience matters for a cornerback, if he doesn\'t know which way to force the reciever it can be ugly. Also, Darrell Green proved that a cornerback can play in this league for a very long time, he played for 21 years.

Keyuo Craver??
 

Darrell Green was still one of the fastest players in the league and he was not a starter. Name the five best CB\'s in this league: Woodson, Madison, Bailey, McAllister, Vincent. They are all under thirty expect Vincent. All have been starters since day one and all are pretty fast, Vincent is definitly the slowest out of this group. This shows one thing, CB is more of an instinctional position. Being able to read the upcoming play, knowing the opposing offense and making sure you tackle correctly are essentials for LB\'s. That is why experience is a must there. Running a 4.4/40 sucks if you have to cross the field because you blew the play and then try to make a tackle. Running a 4.4/40 with another guy that runs a 4.4/40 is an essential, not an option. Carter and Ambrose will do great in short-passing situations. But when Price and other fast WR run past them all the tricks in the world will not allow them to catch them. Just an opinion, I believe we are waiting next to get a CB and a LB, the market and draft should be flooded with them.

Keyuo Craver??
 

i dont think anything would be wrong if keyuo craver had to step into the starting position... he played very well and was a ball hawk before he got injured... i think with some added weight an speed training he will be very aggressive in tracking down the ball and will have many big plays i.e. ints, fumble recoveries, etc.