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Although I think Jim Haslett is a good coach I don't think he is a great coach and thinks more like a player rather than a coach sometimes. I have several current NFL coaches ranked ahead of him. So, here's the way I have em' ranked.

1. Bill Parcells.
2. Bill Cowher.
3. Mike Shanahan.
4.Jon Gruden.
5.Mike Holgrem.
6. Jeff Fisher.
7. Dan Reeves.
8. Dick Vermeil.
9. Andy Reid.
10. Jim Haslett.


And my #1 coach of all time: MIKE DITKA.........J/K

[Edited on 5/28/2003 by Halo]

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Being a small market team without much sex appeal (media-wise), Haslett may be about the best we can hope for (very arguable though). Not a top 5 type, but at least upper 1/3. I like having a Cowher type guy. I just wish he was a little less laid back on game day.
Show some spit and chew somebodys ass Jim! Classic Cowher!

One of my favorite coaches. Not the best X-O guy, but I promise you his team wouldn\'t quit on him.

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Nice list of coaches, but I don\'t think you can list a coach that hasn\'t won a Super Bowl ahead of one who has- that\'s what they are hired to do. You have Cowher, Fischer, Reid and Haslett on that list. They all are good coaches but two of these four have never even coached in a Super Bowl. Where is Belechick or Billick?

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BlackandBlue...sure i can list coaches who haven\'t won a superbowl ahead of those that have. Ditka won a superbowl, did he not? Where would you rank him?

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On a list of current NFL coaches, which is what this thread is about? Alright, here goes nothing.

I\'d rate him last because he\'s not a current NFL coach. There, you happy? :P

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I think Gruden needs to be number one right now. He is the current champ of coaches after transfering to a totally different team and getting there in his first season. I know the bucs are low on our list, but come on- Gruden is good. Haslett in the top 10? Not sure about that. But I\'ll give you the benefit of the doubt for purely \"Who Dat\" purposes.

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LOL..........yeah i\'m happy.

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1. Parcells (the She comment about Terry Glenn won me over)
2. Andy Reid (they looked even better w/out McNabb)
3. Bellichek (he could even make Cincy a winner)
4. Fisher (does more with less than any of the others)
5. Dick Vermeil (if he was in afc south, 11-5)
6. Bill Cowher (In your face intensisty)
7. Brian Billick (the ego-jerk has earned it, unfortunately)
8. Mike Sherman (year in and year out, winner)
9. Jim Fassell (annoyingly scrappy overachiever)
10. Jim Haslett (has no clue on 2 point try\'s though)

Overrated: Mike Shannahan (done nothing since Elway left, NOTHIN !!!)
Underrated: TIE: ...Tony Dungy (he just keeps building winners)
...............................Herm Edwards (no-nonsense leader)
Up and Coming: John Fox (I\'d love this guy in N.O.)
Sleeper: Jack Del Rio (the next Jeff Fisher)
Worst: Mike Tice (he\'ll get better)

[Edited on 28/5/2003 by tweeky]

[Edited on 28/5/2003 by tweeky]

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Wha????

[Edited on 28/5/2003 by BlackandBlue]

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OK, you got me, that may be a stretch, but he\'s a great coach.

[Edited on 28/5/2003 by tweeky]

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I coulda sworn that the new head coach in Cincy was Marvin Lewis. Have I entered bizarro world? Did Cincy win the Super Bowl two years ago? :P

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I meant he could even make Cincy a winner, if he was their coach. I\'m a little slow, but not that slow :D

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LOL- I COMPLETELY mis-read that. After your explanation, it makes a WHOLE lot more sense. :D

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Haslett has won a single playoff game. He has a knack for spotting talent but he is not good with the X\'s and O\'s and he has not been able to keep a team focused and he is consistently allowing more and more BS to drop from his mouth, especially when it comes to answering direct questions about his decisions. He\'s not in the top twenty right now. Not until he can take the tremendous amount of talent we have here and turn it into a consistent winner. Jim Mora had better seasons then Haslett\'s 10-6 year with 2/3 the amount of talent on the team at best. I know you guys like our coach b/c he\'s our coach, but do you really think that you can find anyone outside of New Orleans that\'s not a Saints fan who would rate Haslett in the top ten? N-o w-a-y!!

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I think haslett is in the top 31 coaches in the league, that\'s my opinion, anyone that goes for 2 point conversions when it\'s not necessary shouldnt be coaching high school. yeah, he has a proven track record but let\'s not forget if it wasnt for a fumble on special teams in 2000 if I\'m not mistaken, the rams would have drove down and most likely scored and we\'d be talking about another coach right now. he might take the wrap whenever the team screws up but that still does not make him one of the best coaches, i mean he stuck with aaron brooks knowing he was hurt. even if it wasnt as serious as thought, my blind grandma knew something was wrong when his passes was flying around like a wounded duck. i say give him one more year, if he stinks up the joint again, it\'s time to lure Mora back or something. Give Steve Spurrier one year with this offense, we\'d break every record known to man. Maybe, I\'m over exaggerating but I think I\'m one of the only people that noticed how he bad mouthed St. Louis for beign a finesse team and how his team was smash mouth, now look at our offense, we could out run the road runner. i\'m definitely not complaining, with this offense and what we did with the defense, if we dont make the NFC Championship, I think something\'s wrong, but I would definitely like to be proven wrong by Haslett, I really liked him, up until the Brooks fiasco

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Jim Mora had less talent than what Haslett has? Do you not remember the defenses that Mora had? Jim Mora cost us more games than I care to rememeber by playing not to lose rather than to win. Furthermore, Jim Mora never won even a single playoff game with the Saints or Colts and I don\'t see anyone beating down his door to come back and coach in the NFL.

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When Haslett won the division and the first ever playoff game in Saints history, there is nothing you could\'ve said to me to change my opinion that he was a Top 10 coach. Now? He BARELY squeaks into the top 20. The decision to let AB play when we had a legitimate shot at the playoffs was the kicker for me. I still like Haslett, don\'t get me wrong. I want him to succeed just as much as anyone. He just has A LOT of work to do this season to get my total respect back.

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We need to remember that Haslett is in his 4th? year as a head coach. All coaches learn from their mistakes and get better. I\'ll bet he doesn\'t stick with Brooks if Aaron repeats his late season fade. I still think he\'s an up and coming type coach. I also think there probably a few more mistakes he\'ll learn from down the road. There\'s possibly may be some Assisstant changes down the road also.

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Haslett simply lacks experience as a head coach. He is definitely not one of the top 10 coaches right now, but I believe he will be in the future. Very few first time head coaches have immediate success, it usually takes a few years before they mature into the position.

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It took Parcells 3 years with the Giants before he reached the Super Bowl. And he\'s a god...

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yeah, but look at what Parcells did in NY, and NE, and the other NY. In three seasons the teams got better every year. 3 years with the Giants - super bowl. 3 years with the Patties - super bowl. Not even three years with the Jets and they got back to the playoffs if I remember correctly. The important part is that his teams got better every year. They didn\'t fade down the stretch, they had locker room problems too (see Keyshawn Johnson or Phil Simms) and it didn\'t affect the teams\' performance.

And yes, Haslett has more talent. Consider - Mora had four pro-bowl caliber linebackers and usually another couple of very good down linemen. He had a a good runningback in Hilliard for a while, but no one else on the offense was ever really better than average. Currently, Brooks, Horn, Deuce, Lewis, and McAfee are all pro bowlers. Johnson, Glover, Ricky Williams, Roaf, and Knight have also been Pro Bowlers. Add in other above average talent like Pathon, Stallworth, Howard, Grant, Bentley, Turley... Yes, the talent level over the past three years has been consistently better than Mora ever had.

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Parcells > Haslett was the point I was making. But it always takes him 3 years. This will be Hasletts 4th.
Liken it to high school football. You don\'t expect the JV team to do as well as the varsity team, do you?

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Good point.

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Dayum Gator, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed? LOL. Good to have you back. :D

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No ****, Joe. Was beginning to wonder if Gator bailed on us all-together.

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I ranked the coaches based on coaching ability of current NFL coaches. Just because a coach has won a superbowl doesn\'t mean he is a great coach. Sometimes the players make a coach look better than he is, i.e. Barry Switzer or the Dallas Cowboys comes to mind.

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I don\'t agree that is the exception to rule just as I beleive there have been great players and coaches in all sports that haven\'t won a championsip. I could fill up this board with players and coachs that were great and didn\'t win championships. And of the one\'s that have won championships how would you rank them? Do multiple superbowl winning coaches rank higher than single superbowl winners. There is far more than coaching that goes into winning a superbowl. To prove my point I bet I could coach the Tampa Bay Bucs to a win over a Bill Parcel\'s coached Detroit team....

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Two words, Don Schula?

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Not to be a jerk either but the name Walter Payton comes to mind. Seems like there was once this running back for the Browns that was pretty good too. I think his name was Jim Brown. I might could go on but it\'s late and this is taxing my pea brain. LOL

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I never said I was a great coach. I said I thought Don Schula was a great coach.LOL

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Oh hell man I thought uyou said Super Bowls. LOL. Let me think on that tonight. I\'m an old man with a bad heart and need my beauty rest. LOl :cool:

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Don Shula went 17-0.

Great players that never won a SB
Dan Marino
Barry Sanders
Eric Dickerson
Dwight Stevenson
Corey Dillon
Fran Tarkenton
The Purple People Eaters
The Dome Patrol
The Killer B\'s
Dan Foust (I think)

All of these players are better than Jeff Hostetler or Trent Dilfer, or Timmy Smith, Dorsey Levens, Antowane Smith, and 4 thousand more mediocre to bad players who own a superbowl ring.

Would anybody say Jeff Hostetler is better than Dan Marino? Hoss has a ring, Danno doesn\'t

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Give Hoss a little more credit, during a period of three years he was one of the top QB\'s in the league. He won\'t go down as one of the greats, but it wasn\'t his fault, he got a late start, and had that injury, which, for the life of me, I can\'t remember what the injury was- anyone here know off the top of thier head?

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Ok Gator, After thinking and spending thousands of hours researching. ?. Here\'s what I found.

Quarterbacks:
Dan Fouts
Dan Marino
Jim Kelly
Fran Tarkinton

Running backs:

Earl Campbell
Eric Dickerson
LeRoy Kelly
O.J. Simpson
Gayle Sayers

Wide Recievers:

Lance Alworth
Charlie Joiner
Steve Largent

Tight Ends:

Ozzie Newsome
Kellen Winslow

Coaches:

Paul Brown
Bud Grant
Marv Levy

So there are a few around.

P.S. I have a friend of mine who has a Super Bowl ring, he sat in the stands in 1984 while he was hurt. But it\'s a damn nice ring.

P.S.S. I appreciate the classy referrence.

[Edited on 3/6/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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Gatorman, I was going to put some reasons to keep debating me but everyone else did such a wonderful job i\'m going to leave it alone.

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Dang joesam2002, we gonna have to start calling you STAT-BOY. LOL

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O.K. gatorman, I\'ll call you on this one. For every player at every position that has won a superbowl, I can name you 2 that are just as good that haven\'t won a championship. I\"m ya huckleberry!!!!!

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Dang research-boy, even right guards?

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Forsooth, yes I could have gone into o & d linemen or defense even but alas I got the point and said nay. Really I got writers cramp. LOL. Point should be all of the names given by anyone in this post were pretty damned good and they could play for any of us anywhere. Just my opinion. :D

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