Reggie Bush running N-S

Tobias-Reiper · 11-15-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

If you want to get technical, Deuce has fumbled 3 times but only lost two of those, Bush has fumbled twice, lost both times and threw an interception in the red zone. Neither of Deuce's contributed to the Saints losing.

... now that's just silly, but if you want to get even more techincaller:

First, Reggie is not a QB. He was asked by his coach to throw a pass into the red zone and he did it. His coach admitted he made a bad call.

Second, Deuce had the fortune to have teammates recover his fumbles in 2 occasions. Probably it has to do with the plays called for each: while Deuce runs in traffic and there are usually teammates around him, they try to give Reggie the ball in space, so if he fumbles, chances are there are not going to be many teammates around him to make a play on the ball.

But the fact remains, Deuce has fumbled the ball 3 times and Reggie only 2, and if espn.com is correct, both have touched the ball 144 times each from scrimmage.

Cassady37 · 11-15-2006, 06:47 PM

Thus we go back to TD's and yards per carry average and I've made my point all over again about keeping the main carries with Deuce and fewer carries with Bush. I don't hold my breath have as much waiting for something bad to happen with Deuce as I do with Bush. Deuce will wear defenses down and bigger gains will be made in the fourth quarter for Bush with his quickness to take advantage of it. NOT the other way around.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-15-2006, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

Thus we go back to TD's and yards per carry average and I've made my point all over again about keeping the main carries with Deuce and fewer carries with Bush. I don't hold my breath have as much waiting for something bad to happen with Deuce as I do with Bush. Deuce will wear defenses down and bigger gains will be made in the fourth quarter for Bush with his quickness to take advantage of it. NOT the other way around.

No, you have not made any point. From scrimmage, Deuce has 3 fumbles and Reggie has 2. You You tried to bring in the INT and point out that 2 of Deuce's fumbles were recovered, and now you want to dwelve in averages and stats, but the fact is that, on the same amount of touches from scrimmage, Deuce put the ball on the carpet 3 times to Reggie's 2. You can feel however you want to feel, obviously, but the fact remains, Deuce has 3 fumbles and Reggie has 2. That's not an average, that is not a stat, that just the way it is.

kuke · 11-16-2006, 12:43 AM

I noticed this, too, and it made me very happy. He does that thing that Deuce does, where point of contact, he ends up falling forward and gets an extra 3-4 yards. It's a total LT thing, also liked the spin he incorporates and that "leaping small buildings in a single bound" TD only adds to the myth that is Reggie. I'm so looking forward to listening to the next game, when Reggie comes on home with some new tricks in his bag, I bet the crowd will make it such that he will be encouraged to "run downhill" is what I say (thats the same as North/South, right?).

But as far as the fumble issue goes, do you guys think it's the same as what Tiki Barber used to have, and couldn't he try to do what Tiki did, or is it too much of an adjustment or is it still not known how Tiki got rid of his penchant of fumbilitis??

saintsrule · 11-16-2006, 01:58 AM

I noticed during the game that two starters for the Steelers got hurt trying to tackle him. He has been playing a little hurt all season too. But he got a rushing touchdown, and this is jsut the beginning.

Cassady37 · 11-16-2006, 02:16 PM

I'm sorry Tobias, I guess when I look at the OVERALL picture I see TD's and rushing averages and points in the game when momentum changes off of bad plays. Deuce is still way ahead of Bush no matter what kool-aid you're drinking. So still when you look at who has cost this team more, Bush wins. There, you happy now? How about giving Deuce some love since all you hear about is the poster child for ESPN. Deuce contributes as much if not more than our second pick of the draft with LESS negative yardage, less turnovers and less momentum-changers and add to that MORE touchdowns and you have a back that needs more touches in our offense. I'm not trying to make any other point than that. I just want to see a consistent running game helping out our great passing game.

hagan714 · 11-16-2006, 02:27 PM

turn overs are way down from the past few years. so lighten-up. we just can not come up with any thats all.
who's fault is that? defense. secondary can not catch a cold.

gandhi1007 · 11-16-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

I'm sorry Tobias, I guess when I look at the OVERALL picture I see TD's and rushing averages and points in the game when momentum changes off of bad plays. Deuce is still way ahead of Bush no matter what kool-aid you're drinking. So still when you look at who has cost this team more, Bush wins. There, you happy now? How about giving Deuce some love since all you hear about is the poster child for ESPN. Deuce contributes as much if not more than our second pick of the draft with LESS negative yardage, less turnovers and less momentum-changers and add to that MORE touchdowns and you have a back that needs more touches in our offense. I'm not trying to make any other point than that. I just want to see a consistent running game helping out our great passing game.

Well spoken. You sir, are today's recipient of the "Captain Obvious" award.

It's nice to see posters who make their judgements based on what they see in the games, & not what kind of stats they read on NFL.com . Hey.....AB had great stats. We all know how that project turned out now, don't we? Not saying Reggie is a Brooks type cancer for this team. I think he contributes in different ways. I'm just saying.....stats don't always tell the whole story.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-16-2006, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by Cassady37

I'm sorry Tobias, I guess when I look at the OVERALL picture I see TD's and rushing averages and points in the game when momentum changes off of bad plays. Deuce is still way ahead of Bush no matter what kool-aid you're drinking. So still when you look at who has cost this team more, Bush wins. There, you happy now? How about giving Deuce some love since all you hear about is the poster child for ESPN. Deuce contributes as much if not more than our second pick of the draft with LESS negative yardage, less turnovers and less momentum-changers and add to that MORE touchdowns and you have a back that needs more touches in our offense. I'm not trying to make any other point than that. I just want to see a consistent running game helping out our great passing game.

Well spoken. You sir, are today's recipient of the "Captain Obvious" award. It's nice to see posters who make their judgements based on what they see in the games, & not what kind of stats they read on NFL.com . Hey.....AB had great stats. We all know how that project turned out now, don't we? Not saying Reggie is a Brooks type cancer for this team. I think he contributes in different ways. I'm just saying.....stats don't always tell the whole story.

It is not about drinking any kool-aid or giving anyone love, or saying one is better than the other, and especially is not about reading any stats anywhere.

I originally responded to a post that meantion Reggie's fumbles, specifically :

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

& quits putting the damn ball on the ground.

and pointed out that Deuce has more fumbles than Reggie. That Deuce had the fortune that 2 of his fumbles were recovered by his teammates and therefore no real harm came about because of those fumbles, has nothing to do with the fact that , still, Deuce has fumbled the ball 3 times and Reggie has fumbled the ball 2 times.

pakowitz · 11-18-2006, 10:59 AM

any way you look at it... bush is still a rookie... and other rookies do fumble too.. maroney had a huge fumble against the jets last week and it cost them the game.... and truly if u watch when reggie runs the ball... there are 8 men in the box every single time... when he lines up in the backfield... they stack the box on him... when they line him up outside... the defense is shifted to that side... everyone is so quick to bash reggie cuz he isnt producing like the MEDIA said he would... but he is doing the things that he needs to do and that is being a teammate first and his presence as a decoy has aided this offense tremendously... yes i know colston is a beast... but its easy being a beast when you have single coverage on the outside b/c everyone is keying on reggie...

11-15-2006, 06:38 PM	#21
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by Cassady37 If you want to get technical, Deuce has fumbled 3 times but only lost two of those, Bush has fumbled twice, lost both times and threw an interception in the red zone. Neither of Deuce's contributed to the Saints losing. ... now that's just silly, but if you want to get even more techincaller: First, Reggie is not a QB. He was asked by his coach to throw a pass into the red zone and he did it. His coach admitted he made a bad call. Second, Deuce had the fortune to have teammates recover his fumbles in 2 occasions. Probably it has to do with the plays called for each: while Deuce runs in traffic and there are usually teammates around him, they try to give Reggie the ball in space, so if he fumbles, chances are there are not going to be many teammates around him to make a play on the ball. But the fact remains, Deuce has fumbled the ball 3 times and Reggie only 2, and if espn.com is correct, both have touched the ball 144 times each from scrimmage.
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11-15-2006, 07:37 PM	#23
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by Cassady37 Thus we go back to TD's and yards per carry average and I've made my point all over again about keeping the main carries with Deuce and fewer carries with Bush. I don't hold my breath have as much waiting for something bad to happen with Deuce as I do with Bush. Deuce will wear defenses down and bigger gains will be made in the fourth quarter for Bush with his quickness to take advantage of it. NOT the other way around. No, you have not made any point. From scrimmage, Deuce has 3 fumbles and Reggie has 2. You You tried to bring in the INT and point out that 2 of Deuce's fumbles were recovered, and now you want to dwelve in averages and stats, but the fact is that, on the same amount of touches from scrimmage, Deuce put the ball on the carpet 3 times to Reggie's 2. You can feel however you want to feel, obviously, but the fact remains, Deuce has 3 fumbles and Reggie has 2. That's not an average, that is not a stat, that just the way it is.
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11-16-2006, 12:43 AM	#24
kuke Registered Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 66	I noticed this, too, and it made me very happy. He does that thing that Deuce does, where point of contact, he ends up falling forward and gets an extra 3-4 yards. It's a total LT thing, also liked the spin he incorporates and that "leaping small buildings in a single bound" TD only adds to the myth that is Reggie. I'm so looking forward to listening to the next game, when Reggie comes on home with some new tricks in his bag, I bet the crowd will make it such that he will be encouraged to "run downhill" is what I say (thats the same as North/South, right?). But as far as the fumble issue goes, do you guys think it's the same as what Tiki Barber used to have, and couldn't he try to do what Tiki did, or is it too much of an adjustment or is it still not known how Tiki got rid of his penchant of fumbilitis??
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11-16-2006, 01:58 AM	#25
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	I noticed during the game that two starters for the Steelers got hurt trying to tackle him. He has been playing a little hurt all season too. But he got a rushing touchdown, and this is jsut the beginning.
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11-16-2006, 08:30 PM	#28
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by Cassady37 I'm sorry Tobias, I guess when I look at the OVERALL picture I see TD's and rushing averages and points in the game when momentum changes off of bad plays. Deuce is still way ahead of Bush no matter what kool-aid you're drinking. So still when you look at who has cost this team more, Bush wins. There, you happy now? How about giving Deuce some love since all you hear about is the poster child for ESPN. Deuce contributes as much if not more than our second pick of the draft with LESS negative yardage, less turnovers and less momentum-changers and add to that MORE touchdowns and you have a back that needs more touches in our offense. I'm not trying to make any other point than that. I just want to see a consistent running game helping out our great passing game. Well spoken. You sir, are today's recipient of the "Captain Obvious" award. It's nice to see posters who make their judgements based on what they see in the games, & not what kind of stats they read on NFL.com . Hey.....AB had great stats. We all know how that project turned out now, don't we? Not saying Reggie is a Brooks type cancer for this team. I think he contributes in different ways. I'm just saying.....stats don't always tell the whole story.

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11-15-2006, 06:47 PM	#22
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Thus we go back to TD's and yards per carry average and I've made my point all over again about keeping the main carries with Deuce and fewer carries with Bush. I don't hold my breath have as much waiting for something bad to happen with Deuce as I do with Bush. Deuce will wear defenses down and bigger gains will be made in the fourth quarter for Bush with his quickness to take advantage of it. NOT the other way around.

11-16-2006, 02:16 PM	#26
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	I'm sorry Tobias, I guess when I look at the OVERALL picture I see TD's and rushing averages and points in the game when momentum changes off of bad plays. Deuce is still way ahead of Bush no matter what kool-aid you're drinking. So still when you look at who has cost this team more, Bush wins. There, you happy now? How about giving Deuce some love since all you hear about is the poster child for ESPN. Deuce contributes as much if not more than our second pick of the draft with LESS negative yardage, less turnovers and less momentum-changers and add to that MORE touchdowns and you have a back that needs more touches in our offense. I'm not trying to make any other point than that. I just want to see a consistent running game helping out our great passing game.

11-16-2006, 02:27 PM	#27
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	turn overs are way down from the past few years. so lighten-up. we just can not come up with any thats all. who's fault is that? defense. secondary can not catch a cold.

11-16-2006, 09:12 PM	#29
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by Cassady37 I'm sorry Tobias, I guess when I look at the OVERALL picture I see TD's and rushing averages and points in the game when momentum changes off of bad plays. Deuce is still way ahead of Bush no matter what kool-aid you're drinking. So still when you look at who has cost this team more, Bush wins. There, you happy now? How about giving Deuce some love since all you hear about is the poster child for ESPN. Deuce contributes as much if not more than our second pick of the draft with LESS negative yardage, less turnovers and less momentum-changers and add to that MORE touchdowns and you have a back that needs more touches in our offense. I'm not trying to make any other point than that. I just want to see a consistent running game helping out our great passing game. Well spoken. You sir, are today's recipient of the "Captain Obvious" award. It's nice to see posters who make their judgements based on what they see in the games, & not what kind of stats they read on NFL.com . Hey.....AB had great stats. We all know how that project turned out now, don't we? Not saying Reggie is a Brooks type cancer for this team. I think he contributes in different ways. I'm just saying.....stats don't always tell the whole story. It is not about drinking any kool-aid or giving anyone love, or saying one is better than the other, and especially is not about reading any stats anywhere. I originally responded to a post that meantion Reggie's fumbles, specifically : Originally Posted by gandhi1007 & quits putting the damn ball on the ground. and pointed out that Deuce has more fumbles than Reggie. That Deuce had the fortune that 2 of his fumbles were recovered by his teammates and therefore no real harm came about because of those fumbles, has nothing to do with the fact that , still, Deuce has fumbled the ball 3 times and Reggie has fumbled the ball 2 times.
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11-18-2006, 10:59 AM	#30
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	any way you look at it... bush is still a rookie... and other rookies do fumble too.. maroney had a huge fumble against the jets last week and it cost them the game.... and truly if u watch when reggie runs the ball... there are 8 men in the box every single time... when he lines up in the backfield... they stack the box on him... when they line him up outside... the defense is shifted to that side... everyone is so quick to bash reggie cuz he isnt producing like the MEDIA said he would... but he is doing the things that he needs to do and that is being a teammate first and his presence as a decoy has aided this offense tremendously... yes i know colston is a beast... but its easy being a beast when you have single coverage on the outside b/c everyone is keying on reggie...
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