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This guy is starting to remind me of Jose Canseco, only more crass
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ins.../05/open_mike/

Its not a pleasant read fellas. If even part of its true, we are the Bengals of the NFC

[Edited on 5/6/2003 by tweeky]

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Maybe Turley should keep his mouth shut and keep his mind on playing footbal in St. Louis. It seems to me that everyone in the Saints organization did him wrong and he did nothing wrong. Turley, needs to look at himself in the mirror. He is nothing but a big BABY, who wants eerything his way. If I was making the kind of money he made while with the Saints, I would not be complaining about anything.

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If things were the way Turley says they are ,I think I would have heard something about this before now. In my book Turley is way overrated and I\'m glad he\'s gone. No love lost here for me. I just wish we played the Rams this year.

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There\'s an expression that may apply to our tattoo titty-baby...

Methinks thou protesteth too much!

[Edited on 5/6/2003 by tweeky]

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While it\'s obvious that Turley\'s rants are personally motivated, I think it\'s high time that fans of this team start looking at reality. Turley is not the first player to blast the Saints for their unprofessionalism and disregard for winning and their players. While Turley over-emphasizes a lot, I\'m sure, that doesn\'t mean that there isn\'t at least some truth to what he\'s saying. Benson is the best owner that the Saints have ever had... but just b/c he\'s the best that\'s ever been in NO, does NOT mean that he is a good NFL owner. He\'s not - and until he stops whining about his pocket book, antes up, and does what it takes to win a Super Bowl, you\'re not going to see muc more out of this organization than what you see right now. Don\'t shoot the messenger guys.

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I don\'t think Benson is as bad as some say. I read an article on NFL payroll\'s last year (maybe 2001) and the Saints were middle of the pack. I think they were either 13th or 15th. My memory fades, but I remember being surprised because I was under the impression from our fanbase that he was the \"Anti-Dan-Snyder\"

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Man, that was a HARD read.

I once had a friend (life-long LSU fan, lives in Holden) tell me that the Saints administration -doesn\'t- want to win the Big One. Why? Because the Saints get state funding... but ONLY if they\'re under a particular record (8/8, I think he said). If they go better than that, then the state contract doesn\'t give them those millions. I\'ve always wondered if there was anything to it.

Reading an article like that, well, that makes me wonder some more. Sometimes it\'s hard being a fan for this team.

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WhoDat,

The reality is nether of us know how much truth there is to anything Turley said. As far as what players in the past said about the Saints organization, we don\'t know about the truth there either. Football is a business, and in business, there are always going to be hostilites when parting ways. When you start telling me to look at reality, I would like to know if this is your reality or do you have inside info about the Saints organization. This is the reality I see. Mr. Benson has put together the best Saints team I have ever seen, and for that I applaud Mr. Benson. This isnot a popularity contest. This is a business. Go to any business and ask the employees if they like the owner If they all say yes, I will show you a company that will be going out of business soon. Now, that\'s reality.

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Nothing really alarming in that article. After Randy Mueller tried to hijack his organization, Benson looked for someone who knew his place and could take care of the financial side. So he hired Loomis. He may not be the GM with the best football knowledge in the league, but so far he has done a decent job.
Benson wants to make money from the team. He knows he can\'t afford to cut back on player salaries, because this will lead to a non-competitive team. So he tries to rip everybody else off, the state of Louisiana and even his own employees. Not overly nice, however you can\'t accuse him of not trying to win. The Saints are close to the salary cap and gave out some heavy signing bonuses this off-season.
Haslett a two-faced backstabber? He was probably responsible for the contract offer Turley got early in the off-season although Turley was already ripping the organization. His big mouth depleted his value to the Saints.
Glad he\'s gone. Time the season starts so he can find some reasons to be mad at the Rams.

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Here we go again. Somehow, just when I think it\'s safe to go back to being a contented fan, someone brings up this situation again. I\'m torn on replying to this thread or just going to bed.

Having worked in the car business for almost 30 years, I almost have to agree with some of the things Turley said. I do not know Mr. Benson personally but I do know some players that used to play for him. As I once said, when he bought the team he had them inventory individual rolls of tape. To me thats cheap. I do know many car dealers personally, and believe me they are cheap and their is no such thing as loyalty to their employees. It\'s all about the money!

With that short outburst i\'ll quit on this subject for now. ;)

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Wow, where do you start on this one. I guess with Turley, I think he is just being his same old pain in the ass ,pissed off self. His hot head and poor judgement cost us games and chances to win games. His attitude is awful and I\'m glad he is gone.
Having said that, I too must say I think he makes some valid points. I don\'t know if I would put it as two faced but if I were playing poker with coach Haslett I would sure bet he was bluffing on just about every hand. The crap with AB\'s injury at years end sure was\'nt candor, the snow job with the press in this years draft is similar and I can recall several other instances as well. Turley is mostly crying about Coach not standing up for his contract. I think Neocloning nailed it, Jim pushed the first offer ,Turley the baby blew it.
Benson is absolutely a cheap bastard. I have several friends who work for him and the stories I hear are horid. Screwing employees on car deals is standard even manditory to Benson. Benson will do anything he can to save money wherever he can. But after he ate Ditka and all his staffs contracts and built the new training facility it\'s tough to say he is not willing to make football decisions that are not just about money. Hard guy to figure out.
The Mueller fireing was not about money. I have a college friend who was an exec with the Saints on the buisness side, who told me for months trouble was brewing between Benson ,Felkow and Mueller. Mueller did want almost total control of both buisness and football operations and maybe some think he should of gotten it ,but he did\'nt.
The Saints are not a perfect organization for sure but I see more reasons to be optimistic about the comming few years than ever before and damn I wish we played the Rams this year too.

[Edited on 6/6/2003 by saint5221]

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The issue is not whether any or all of this true. As a professional, you move on. Turley has moved on. He should shut his yap. He sounds bitter as if he really wants to be here. It is kind of like that tough break up with your girlfriend, you wish it didn\'t happen, but once you get around your friends she is a slut as you proceed to tell all of your escapades. If he didn\'t care he wouldn\'t talk about it. Although, it has appeared and other players have said that they never felt stable or welcome. Pick out the truths and sift through the rest. I am sure you will find a certain small percentage to be true.

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This is just typical Turley. When he was a Saint he was all Saint. He absolutely hated the Rams. Now he is a Ram and he wants to hate the Saints. Cry, wine and complain is what is does second best in his life. Basically he needs a life. He was/is a good offensive lineman, however, not the best to play the game. His antics become a source of distraction and ruins any hope or chance of a \"TEAM\" cohesiveness. What the Saints need the most is a team built from unity. They all (offense and defense) need to come together. How to make that happen is the real issue. For too many years we have had some great \"individuals\" but the team chemistry wasn\'t all that it needed to be. Turley will eventually tear apart whatever team chemistry that the Rams have. Wait and see he\'ll self destruct again and blame everyone and everything but himself. I wish him well in every game except when/if they play the Saints but I know he\'ll never be able to accept a role on any team that doesn\'t cater to his every issue to his liking. The term premadonna comes to mind!!!!!

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God almighty, not another one.

I am requesting that I have the following picture added to the avatar list, please.

http://www.lsusports.net/images/tiger_logo.jpg

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Ohhhhh, I see, I thought that was gatorman below too, I always thought it was a Louisiana thing, but its a FLORIDA GATOR thing???

That explains a lot about Gatorman. :D LOL

I may be slow, but at least I\'m dumb.. ;)

I guess a BAMA avitar is probably out of the question???

[Edited on 6/6/2003 by tweeky]

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Yes, yes it is. :mad:

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What I\'m trying to figure out is where Turley in his delusions of grandeur thinks he was the marquee player on the team. Good player, yes. Marquee? I seriously doubt it.

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Now D - that is the ONLY critique of that article that has any merit. You\'re right on that one... Turley is far from the \"Marquee\" player on this squad.

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Put all of the college avatars you want.......Everyone already knows I am a proud Canes fan....Oh by the way.....keep your eyes on the polls

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Oh, for christs sake...doesn\'t anyone get this whole thing???? Personally, I liked the way he played right tackle. He sucked as a left tackle. Blame the coaches for that. I\'m thinking he apparently has a God complex........
1. Players say \"it\'s a business\"
2. Owners say \"it\'s a business\"
3. A \"marquee\" player isn\'t self-appointed. They prove it with thier play not with what they say.
4. Turley got fired.
5. Anyone who gets fired is gonna be bitter to some degree.

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Well I\'m not your typical Bama fan, I can be obnoxious and arrogant! :D LOL

I went to several Bama/LSU games in Baton Rouge because I had friends that went to school there. They were polite and quite welcoming to me. But that was mid 80\'s and I\'ve heard there\'s a new breed of tiger fan now and its not pretty. I work with several LSU Engineering grads and the hatred for Bama runs deep. I\'m pretty sure most LSU fans are enjoying Bama\'s demise. But we\'ll be back. It kills me they got one of our local boys, Jamarcus Russell. He\'s going to be awesome.

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SHADDUP! :P We all know that Miami is a factory, m\'k?

Ummm, what\'s your point? :P

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Gator, this is not strictly an LSU thing, no matter what venue, there hasn\'t been one instance where I left a college/pro sporting event without feeling contempt for my fellow human because of their inability to act like a mature adult as the game goes on. That includes Cowboys, Rangers, La Tech, Stars, hell, even some not so prominant sports like indoor soccer, or arena league football.
To single out LSU games in this area is laughable. At least we don\'t hop out on the field and try to attack the coach/ref/umpire.

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Vilolence and misconduct at sporting events isn\'t unique to L.S.U. Fans attacking refs, riots after games, players punching coachs. It isn\'t fair to put that tag on L.S.U. Gueax Tigers..........

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LSU in da college world series baby.... whhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooo , did yall see da asswhoopin they put on baylor... 20-5 sheeeeeeeee they gonna win it all ...............

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Heh, Pak, my cable went out this past weekend. Was on the phone with a friend listening to the play by play. :D

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Quote:See there\'s the difference in guys like you and guys like me and Whodat. We can call a spade and spade even if its our favortite team.



Your blinding me with science. Come on Gator, have you not seen worst conduct by numerous fans from all over the country, not to mention all over the world. What game was that when the fans were throwing ice balls and batteries on the field?

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I\"m no expert on the top 10 friendliest stadiums to play, but unless I\'ve missed something in the past 20-years, I don\'t think LSU\'s fans are any worse than 90% of any others. You could have said the same thing about any team and I would have disageed with you. Unless you\'ve been doing a U.S. college football tour, what are you basing your statement about LSU fans.


CAN YOU PLEASE ANWSER THAT QUESTION FOR ME??

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I will not argue that point. Sure I would be proud that our stadium is a tough place to play in. My point is that being very hostile and crossing the line are 2 different things. The way you make it sound is that LSU fans cross the line worse than the rest of the college teams. Is that not what your saying. As to the drug infested neightborhood, everything is relevant. If I had 2 crack dealers in my neighborhood and I compaired it to one that has a 100 crack dealers, then my neighborhood is a better place to live, wouldn\'t u agree?

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GO LOUISIANA TECH!!!!! :D

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Again I\'ll ask you why your saying that LSU fans get more drunk than other fans. I can make all kind of statements and have no facts to back them up. Unless you have been all over the country and have something to compare LSU fans to, how can you back that statement up. YOU CAN\'T!!! I\'m not disagreeing that LSU fans get drunk and I\'ll even give you that southern pride thing (whatever that means), but I\'ll bet you if you have some statistics on how many arrests are made each year at college football games, that LSU is about average. Before you tell me that I\'m changing the subject and you never made reference about fans getting arrested, you did say that LSU fans are more drunk. Anytime alcohol is invovled I think the number of arrests is a good indicator to how many fans are drunk and to how drunk they were. This has nothing to do with me being a LSU fan, this has to do with you making a statement that you have no facts to back it up with. The only thing you have is that you have been to an LSU game and saw some drunk fans there. Go to New York and check some of their fans out, or Philly, or anywhere USA. Believe me yankee pride is just as bad as southern pride (just to keep it in rednect terms.) If you we\'re a sports reporter, they wouldn\'t print your biased LSU fan story. They would tell you to do some research and check your facts. They are a few people on this site that I enjoy hearing their side of the story and you are one of them...Don\'t let it go to your head though because your still wrong on this one.

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My point is you are pointing the finger at LSU, when it\'s not a specific school problem, it\'s a problem in all facets of sports. I\'m sure there are some LSU fans that are guilty as hell. But this kinda thing happens everywhere. You think that just because you hear it at an LSU game that they are some of the most aggravating, but I don\'t think you can go to any one sporting event and hear the opinions of all 70,000 fans that are out in the stadium. I went to a Cowboys game 4 years ago and had a great time. I\'m not a Cowboys fan, but I enjoy football, and it was a pleasant experience. The next time I went, was the notorious 49er-Cowboys game where Terrell Owens decided to act like a jerk (I think we all remember the incident, but if you don\'t, please post, and I will be more than happy to expand). After the shenanigans occured, I got to sit and listen to this foul mouthed redneck spew obscenity after obscenity, as loud as he possibly could, despite the family of five sitting two rows in front of him. One of the kids, who looked like he was around 8 years old, looked like he was mesmerized by everything that was spewing out of this guys mouth. I felt bad for the father and mother of this family, because in order to enjoy this family event, they had to put up with the baggage that comes with it. My point is that it happens everywhere, nothing I can do about it except continue to act like a mature adult, and teach my kids that is not how a real adult acts in public.

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Yeah what B&B said..............But what took you so damn long.

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Hung over from Pearl Jam concert last night- man, do they put on a show.

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You know, what I\'m interested in is why the LSU fans aren\'t proud that Death Valley is a terrible place to play if you\'re an opposing team. I\'m proud that the Dome has traditionally been a bad place to play, if for no other reason, b/c our fans are drunk and stupid. That\'s great if you ask me!

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Who Dat,

Did you not read the example that B&B gave about the kids sitting next to him and having to hear all that foul mouth talk? How could anyone be proud of that. Just curious if you have kids and if you do, do you take them in bars with you?

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Wasn\'t the topic of this thread Turley hammers Saints Organization?

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Let\'s quit the assumption game, because this could easily go back and forth for the next week or so. You assume that I assume that you assume that I assume blah blah blah.
Ok Gator, I\'ll play devil\'s advocate- LSU has the worst fans I\'ve ever been around in my entire life. They are the dregs of society, who should have never been allowed to come out of their cages, even on Saturday\'s. I\'m willing to admit that the fans are not angels by any stretch of the imagination, but in the same light, I\'m not going to go and say they are by far the worst fans to be around- they aren\'t. Every team of every league has those select few that do what they can to take as much fun out of it as possible for those around them. I feel for you that you happened to be seated next to them- I really do. I don\'t enjoy it any more than anyone else. I understand the booing, and the jeers, but the vulgarity and obnoxiousness can easily be left at home, in my opinion.
Do I sound irritated? Yes, but by all means, please assume to know exactly why I am irritated. That last part of your argument is \"YOU prove to me\". Prove to you what? That there are other sporting events where the fans are just as nasty as LSU fans? I\'ve already discussed one of my low points at a sporting event. Hell, it wasn\'t even in the same state. I nearly had my ass beat before by some Vol\'s fans- wanna know why? Because when they asked me where I was from, I was honest with them and told them Louisiana- next thing I know, I\'m surrounded by five jarheads who looked as mean as they were big, ready to beat me into my next life- but by all means, this pales in comparison to the atrocities that occur in Death Valley. Had my friends not found me on that fateful day, I would have been nothing more than a big red spot on the underbelly of Neyland Stadium.
But I tell yah what, this will either go over your head or under your ass, as nothing I say here will mean much to you. So what I will do is, next time I find myself in one of these positions, I\'ll politely ask the troublemakers if they wouldn\'t mind holding off until I leave the game, race out to my automobile, grab my voice recorder, and race back into the stadium so that I may document everything toi tape, convert it to an audio file, so that I can have proof that not all the ******* fans reside in Baton Rouge.
On second thought, **** it, it ain\'t worth the time.

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LMFAO.......B&B you need to take that show on the road, you could make some money. That\'s some funny ****, man.