Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

I thought he played well during his time in the starting lineup. Should he be brought back next year, or will Harper's return (as well as a youth movement in general) spell the end for him?

Also, what about John Carney? He had a hell of a year, but does he return next year?

RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

Carney will probly be here another year I see us signing a rookie Kicker or something kid with a strong leg... I love bellamy but when harper comes back Harper will be starter I would love to get Laron Landry man oh man just think Landry and Harper back there.... dont get me wrong I dont hate Bullocks only well he drops alot of picks and he never seems to be around the ball much.... Alll of yall hate on Fred Thomas welll he has no help over the top WTF is Bullocks thats what I want to no....

RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

Its not just over the top its also whith in 10 yards... ya just throw in his direction. He doesn't close on the WR, never in position to even break up a short pass. If he was getting beat down the field all the time I would say yet he needs help... but it doesn't matter when and where you put the ball he can't cover.

RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

I see him playing off the receiver like 10 yrds and the WR does a little move and twist Thomas up EVERY TIME.... he isnt a good #2 CB .... but hey he is all we have he still could use some help.....

RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

I don't see a point in us carrying two kickers like we did last year. We're better off using it on a position player who can help us on special teams. I don't expect Cundiff to be with us next season but I can see us keeping Carney for one more year.

RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

My feeling is Bellamy will probably see what's in the open market. If there is a team willing to give him a good shot at being at least a 2nd string player, he would probably jump on it. I think his best shot in New Orleans is going to be the same type of situation he was in this year, which was injury insurance.

I don't think Carney is going anywhere. However, things could get interesting. Carney's chances may depend on the punter. If Berger is back next year, then Carney is absolutely safe. If Weatherford is the guy, he must show during the off season that he can handle kickoffs.

RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

bellamy sucks... he is slow... cant catch and is never around the ball except on running plays... thats about all he does well.. is play the run cuz he certianly cant play the pass... he gets burnt super easily on play action...


carney... no leg.. still good accuracy

Re: RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

What you said about bellamy is exactly how bullocks is except for the speed part everthing else exactly right....

RE: Re: RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

Mason Crosby has a ton of experience against top competition, having kicked for the past four years for Colorado in the Big Twelve. He has an extremely strong leg with the ability to kick field goals up to 60 yards, as well as kick the ball through the endzone on kickoffs in a regular basis. He is an accurate kicker who is nearly automatic from 40 yards and in, making 39 of 43 career attempts from less than 40 yards. As expected, his accuracy goes down a bit beyond 40 yards, but he has been successful on 19 of 27 career attempts between 40-49 yards including 13 of 16 the past two years. He is 13 of 25 in his career from 50 yards or more but several of those misses have come from distances greater than 60 yards. His career long is 60 yards. Mason Crosby has a rare combination of leg strength and accuracy for a kicker. He is arguably the best kicker to come out of college since former first round pick Sebastian Janikowski in 2000. He will be a day one starter as a place kicker and kickoff specialist by the team that drafts him. He will be a first day pick in the 2007 NFL draft.

bit the bullet and pick this kid.

as for bellemy he is up there in years i agree but i can remember some here yelling for him play when the others were playing bad. he is a run stuffer and we all new that at the begining of the year. maybe that is why we had 7 S in camp last year. we might just see those numbers again this year.

RE: Re: RE: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

Mason Crosby is who I would definitely go for. The guy has a boot of steel, a Janikowski type kicker, except with more accuracy and can shake the pressure off with ease like Vinatieri

Bye Bye Bellamy. He'd be outta here, he and Thomas both suck and can't do anything but mess the team up now.

Allsaints, you're totally wrong. Bullocks can catch, just needs to mature and get focused, something DH went through early on in his career. He can play the pass very well, especially if he didn't have a weak CB getting beat on every play!

Re: Jay Bellamy and John Carney
 

I agree. He did play well and I definitely think he should be brought back for another year.

Bring Carney back too.. I want to see them all do it again!

Drafting any kicker in the top three rounds, reminds me to much of when we drafted Russell Erxlaben. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease NO! We have other holes to fill.

OK first of all, Jay Bellamy needs to be on this team next season. The guy is old and he's not going to get top dollars, not anywhere close actually, on the open market. He's never going to start again. So why would he uproot his family from the city they've been in for however many years so he can go and be a backup somewhere else? The guy is a 2nd or 3rd string safety, and a damn good one too. He came in after Harper and Stoutmire went down and he did a good job. Did you see him getting burnt? Nope. What I did see was him providing excellent run support. If we let him go, we're just going to have to spend time and money going after another backup safety. Why not just keep the guy who has been an integral part of this franchise for many years? It's dumb to drop him now.

And about a kicker. I'll be the first one to eat crow about John Carney. I was his #1 basher on this board last year. But the guy proved me wrong, and he had a hell of a year. Using a first day draft choice on a kicker when our kicker made like 90% of his kicks is absolutely ridiculous. That would be the dumbest pick ever. Period.

I don't see anything wrong with drafting a kicker, IF it's maybe an extra 3rd round pick. Hell, if the guy is as good as they are saying, this is a franchise kicker! Carney is on the back end of his career, accurate, or not. And you have to admit, that the league doesn't have very many good kickers right now. Even Janikowski hasn't really lived up to his hype. You guys said, to pick the "best player on the board". Well kickers win games, and they score points, so I definately see it as an important position. Lord only knows what would have happened against the Bears, if Cundiff hit that field goal. Could have been an entirely different outcome.

Oh, and just to clarify.... NO PICK, will ever out dumb the Ditka/Williams debacle. We could pick a punter with our first pick in the draft, and I would still say it's the dumbest.

Wow. I can't believe you would seriously consider using a first day pick on a kicker when we have so many holes. MLB, CB, DT, WR, OL depth. I mean yes, I could understand taking a kicker on the first day if our kicker was terrible, but Carney had probably the best season of his career. Why the hell would we cut him now???? He went 23/25 and even hit a 51 yarder. Like I said before, kickers can kick for a long time, and Carney actually improved last year, so why would we neglect a real position of need and use a valuable pick on a kicker? Your logic of that just doesn't make sense.

Also, this is just a legit question: don't you think the fact that he is kicking a mile high in the air is helping his stats? I do. It's science.

I really don't think a kicker should be at the top of our list. I am with thedeuce on this. Kickers can stay around for a long time, and with Carney being 23/25 that's good enough for me. I really don't want us to get into the Morten Anderson/Jim Mora years of drive the ball down the field and kick a FG. I'd rather see 7 points vs 3 points.

Yes, kick in the mile high air helps.

All I'm saying, is how many games, especially play off, championship, or Superbowls, have you seen it decided on a field goal? Too many to name. This position is so important, the Colts went out and signed the kicker, who kept beating them. Look at them now. It is always said, the best player available should be picked. Notice that I said, IF, he is the best player available, then take him, and only if you find yourself with an extra 3rd, or 4th. Points are points.

WTF? : )

Lose:

Bellamy, Fred Thomas, John Carney, Cundiff

Gain:

Younger free agent kicker.

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