My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007.

saintsrule · 01-25-2007, 04:08 AM

Just trying to find something to do, it's not like I am telling the organization what they should do. I'm just checking to see how close I will be to what the starter will be next season. I like checking out the mock drafts, but you can only do that so much.

Offense

QB--Drew Brees
RB--Reggie Bush(Deuce gets traded)
FB--Mike Karney
TE--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
WR--Marques Colston
WR--Devery Henderson(Joe gets cut)
T--Jammal Brown
G--Jahri Evans
C--Jeff Faine
G--Jamar Nesbit
T--Jon Stinchcomb(If not re-signed, Zach Strief)

Defense

DE--Will Smith
DE--Charles Grant(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick)
DT--Hollis Thomas(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick)
DT--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
LB--Scott Fujita
LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick(Maybe Danny Clark)
LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
CB--Mike McKenzie
CB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
S--Josh Bullocks
S--Roman Harper

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-25-2007, 05:45 AM

The only unreasonable thing I see here is: Deuce gets traded.

Two backs is quickly becoming the NFL norm. Also Reggie and Deuce have a symbiotic relationship. Both were productive last year because of each other.

Reggie still isn't ready to handle the full RB load. His downhill running has improved, but it still can't touch Deuce's ability in that department.

Also have you calculated the cap hit for trading Deuce? His contract extension is only 2 years old. He got over $12 million to sign on. It's a 7-8 year extension. So that means that the Saints are still on the hook for $8-$9 million on the cap that accelerates to immediate impact if Deuce is traded.

So it'll hurt on the cap to trade him. He's productive.

I can't understand the rationale. Please explain?

SFIAH

Bise · 01-25-2007, 07:28 AM

I agree with SFIAH. The duo worked well last year. It kept Deuce on the field all year with no injuries. It also (hopefully) will keep Bush healthy for years to come. Unless it is a blockbuster trade we should not fix what isn't broken.

I wonder what Harper's status is. Has he rehab'd well?

Maybe Payton will draft a LT and move Jamal Brown to TE this year?

jrmllb · 01-25-2007, 08:22 AM

I think Payton will draft a CB or LB (Poz) in the first...Then I think he takes a shot at a DT or OG

gandhi1007 · 01-25-2007, 08:26 AM

I don't know if I'm pencilling in Bullocks just yet. He's lost in coverage, misses assignments regularly, & doesn't tackle worth a damn! Trading Deuce would be a mistake, too....a big one. Two backs are better than one. I do like the idea of Danny Clark starting next year though. Every time he was in the game, the guy made a play.

pakowitz · 01-25-2007, 01:44 PM

stinchcomb is a Restricted FA, i dont see anyone signing him since they would have to also have to give us a 2nd round pick do to so if we dont match their offer

D24pick · 01-25-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I don't know if I'm pencilling in Bullocks just yet. He's lost in coverage, misses assignments regularly, & doesn't tackle worth a damn! Trading Deuce would be a mistake, too....a big one. Two backs are better than one. I do like the idea of Danny Clark starting next year though. Every time he was in the game, the guy made a play.

I'm sorry why are you taking it out on Bullocks when we play man to man! Leaving him in the box only for Thomas to get burned by a length of a full railroad! Hell with these people blaming it all on Bullocks, "OH missed assignments this, OH uts not all Thomas' fault". Yes it is! We play MAN TO MAN, this guy is a safety in the box leaving all the way out just to try to make-up for Thomas' let-downs.

I can't beleive this guy can't tackle in your eyues, that's one of the things you can't ever say abput this guy. He's pretty much a sure tackler who doesn't go for the big hits all the time and plays strong, you must have the wrong guy.

D24pick · 01-25-2007, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintsrule

Just trying to find something to do, it's not like I am telling the organization what they should do. I'm just checking to see how close I will be to what the starter will be next season. I like checking out the mock drafts, but you can only do that so much.

Offense

QB--Drew Brees
RB--Reggie Bush(Deuce gets traded)
FB--Mike Karney
TE--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
WR--Marques Colston
WR--Devery Henderson(Joe gets cut)
T--Jammal Brown
G--Jahri Evans
C--Jeff Faine
G--Jamar Nesbit
T--Jon Stinchcomb(If not re-signed, Zach Strief)

Defense

DE--Will Smith
DE--Charles Grant(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick)
DT--Hollis Thomas(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick)
DT--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
LB--Scott Fujita
LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick(Maybe Danny Clark)
LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
CB--Mike McKenzie
CB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick
S--Josh Bullocks
S--Roman Harper

I see Deuce being back as well as Shanle. Have to have these two guys, they've been successfull all year long. I don't think we re-sign Stinchcomb, I like us getting L.Davis from the Cardinals, who is 10x better and doesn't cost big

Bobaganoosh · 01-25-2007, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by D24pick

[ I don't think we re-sign Stinchcomb, I like us getting L.Davis from the Cardinals, who is 10x better and doesn't cost big

Leonard Davis made 9 million this year. I think that is costing big bucks for a guy who never lived up to the billing and has never made a pro bowl. If we lose Stinchcomb, we give Strief a shot and we use one of our 4th rounders to draft another OT. I really dont see Leonard Davis as an option.

pakowitz · 01-25-2007, 11:56 PM

like I stated already... stinchcomb is a Restricted Free Agent which means if any team signs him and we dont match then we get their 2nd round pick in exchange

01-25-2007, 04:08 AM	#1
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. Just trying to find something to do, it's not like I am telling the organization what they should do. I'm just checking to see how close I will be to what the starter will be next season. I like checking out the mock drafts, but you can only do that so much. Offense QB--Drew Brees RB--Reggie Bush(Deuce gets traded) FB--Mike Karney TE--FA, Trade, or Draft pick WR--Marques Colston WR--Devery Henderson(Joe gets cut) T--Jammal Brown G--Jahri Evans C--Jeff Faine G--Jamar Nesbit T--Jon Stinchcomb(If not re-signed, Zach Strief) Defense DE--Will Smith DE--Charles Grant(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick) DT--Hollis Thomas(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick) DT--FA, Trade, or Draft pick LB--Scott Fujita LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick(Maybe Danny Clark) LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick CB--Mike McKenzie CB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick S--Josh Bullocks S--Roman Harper
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01-25-2007, 05:45 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	RE: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. The only unreasonable thing I see here is: Deuce gets traded. Two backs is quickly becoming the NFL norm. Also Reggie and Deuce have a symbiotic relationship. Both were productive last year because of each other. Reggie still isn't ready to handle the full RB load. His downhill running has improved, but it still can't touch Deuce's ability in that department. Also have you calculated the cap hit for trading Deuce? His contract extension is only 2 years old. He got over $12 million to sign on. It's a 7-8 year extension. So that means that the Saints are still on the hook for $8-$9 million on the cap that accelerates to immediate impact if Deuce is traded. So it'll hurt on the cap to trade him. He's productive. I can't understand the rationale. Please explain? SFIAH
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01-25-2007, 07:28 AM	#3
Bise 100th Post Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 154	RE: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. I agree with SFIAH. The duo worked well last year. It kept Deuce on the field all year with no injuries. It also (hopefully) will keep Bush healthy for years to come. Unless it is a blockbuster trade we should not fix what isn't broken. I wonder what Harper's status is. Has he rehab'd well? Maybe Payton will draft a LT and move Jamal Brown to TE this year?
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01-25-2007, 08:22 AM	#4
jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	RE: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. I think Payton will draft a CB or LB (Poz) in the first...Then I think he takes a shot at a DT or OG

01-25-2007, 08:26 AM	#5
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	RE: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. I don't know if I'm pencilling in Bullocks just yet. He's lost in coverage, misses assignments regularly, & doesn't tackle worth a damn! Trading Deuce would be a mistake, too....a big one. Two backs are better than one. I do like the idea of Danny Clark starting next year though. Every time he was in the game, the guy made a play.

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01-25-2007, 01:44 PM	#6
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. stinchcomb is a Restricted FA, i dont see anyone signing him since they would have to also have to give us a 2nd round pick do to so if we dont match their offer

01-25-2007, 09:10 PM	#7
D24pick 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 578	Re: RE: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I don't know if I'm pencilling in Bullocks just yet. He's lost in coverage, misses assignments regularly, & doesn't tackle worth a damn! Trading Deuce would be a mistake, too....a big one. Two backs are better than one. I do like the idea of Danny Clark starting next year though. Every time he was in the game, the guy made a play. I'm sorry why are you taking it out on Bullocks when we play man to man! Leaving him in the box only for Thomas to get burned by a length of a full railroad! Hell with these people blaming it all on Bullocks, "OH missed assignments this, OH uts not all Thomas' fault". Yes it is! We play MAN TO MAN, this guy is a safety in the box leaving all the way out just to try to make-up for Thomas' let-downs. I can't beleive this guy can't tackle in your eyues, that's one of the things you can't ever say abput this guy. He's pretty much a sure tackler who doesn't go for the big hits all the time and plays strong, you must have the wrong guy.
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01-25-2007, 09:13 PM	#8
D24pick 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 578	Re: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. Originally Posted by saintsrule Just trying to find something to do, it's not like I am telling the organization what they should do. I'm just checking to see how close I will be to what the starter will be next season. I like checking out the mock drafts, but you can only do that so much. Offense QB--Drew Brees RB--Reggie Bush(Deuce gets traded) FB--Mike Karney TE--FA, Trade, or Draft pick WR--Marques Colston WR--Devery Henderson(Joe gets cut) T--Jammal Brown G--Jahri Evans C--Jeff Faine G--Jamar Nesbit T--Jon Stinchcomb(If not re-signed, Zach Strief) Defense DE--Will Smith DE--Charles Grant(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick) DT--Hollis Thomas(If not re-signed, FA, Trade, or Draft pick) DT--FA, Trade, or Draft pick LB--Scott Fujita LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick(Maybe Danny Clark) LB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick CB--Mike McKenzie CB--FA, Trade, or Draft pick S--Josh Bullocks S--Roman Harper I see Deuce being back as well as Shanle. Have to have these two guys, they've been successfull all year long. I don't think we re-sign Stinchcomb, I like us getting L.Davis from the Cardinals, who is 10x better and doesn't cost big

01-25-2007, 11:47 PM	#9
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. Originally Posted by D24pick [ I don't think we re-sign Stinchcomb, I like us getting L.Davis from the Cardinals, who is 10x better and doesn't cost big Leonard Davis made 9 million this year. I think that is costing big bucks for a guy who never lived up to the billing and has never made a pro bowl. If we lose Stinchcomb, we give Strief a shot and we use one of our 4th rounders to draft another OT. I really dont see Leonard Davis as an option.

01-25-2007, 11:56 PM	#10
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: Re: My early list of the 22 starters, in 2007. like I stated already... stinchcomb is a Restricted Free Agent which means if any team signs him and we dont match then we get their 2nd round pick in exchange