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|04-24-2007, 01:08 PM||#1|
QB in the 2007 NFL Draft
This year's quarterbacks in the NFL draft have little in common, as each possesses different traits that attract the attention of scouts. It is a top-heavy group with a pair of prospects battling to be taken among the top 10 picks and three to five players fighting to be selected by the end of the draft's first day.
The evaluation of a quarterback starts with watching or looking for consistency in a number of areas: setup, footwork, throwing motion, accuracy and then competitiveness and intangibles.
A quick release is an ideal trait in today's NFL game, since teams are rushing the passer with much more frequency, but the one characteristic that cannot be pinpointed in game film or a scouting report is the potential to be the future leader of a franchise.
Quarterback is the primary position on the football field that gets people promoted or fired. However, the more position coaches or offensive coordinators a quarterback goes through, the longer it actually will take for him to develop.
It's a delicate process of finding not only the best player but also the most ideal fit for a team, as some players simply do not fit into a franchise's balance or chemistry.
Overall, this is a good but not great group with JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn leading the way. That next tier could either be full of potential starters down the road or just role-player types that have had solid college careers but will lack a certain element to become productive NFL passers.
1. Jamarcus Russell, QB, 6054, 265, 4.83, LSU
JaMarcus Russell is one of the biggest QB prospects in the nation. He is an outstanding athlete, but is not really a "running QB". He can improvise when needed and is an effective runner, but his real claim to fame is his arm strength. I haven't seen anyone with a stronger arm than Russell. Russell is big and is able to locate his receivers. His athletic ability allows him to move around the pocket and run when the play breaks down. Once he's running, he's very hard to bring down. He doesn't look fast, but he's a long strider and Bama's Wallace Gilberry was surprised at just how fast he is on the field. But Russell prefers to stay in the pocket where he can show off his big arm. He has the strength to throw it the length of the field if needed. He displays a nice touch on the deep balls and can take some of the heat off the shorter passes. He gets the ball where it needs to go and his accuracy has improved dramatically in his junior season. He sets up well and shows solid footwork. Russell is also a leader on the team. He's not a rah-rah guy, but he's a leader by example and the team rallies around him. He's good in the classroom and active in the community--the type of good citizen that is needed in the NFL.
Russell is relatively raw as a passer and will need to work on his technique and throwing mechanics. Mechanically, he's a bit stiff, looking like he's shotputting the ball at times. Still needs to improve his decision-making. Has made great strides in the accuracy department but there is still room for improvement. His delivery is slowish as well. Far too often he's throwing the ball off his back foot.He'll try to make throws that he shouldn't at times. It generally gets where it's going, but that's not a good trait to carry to the NFL where the players are faster and smarter. Timed speed is solid but not special. Numbers were inflated by the system he played in. Has minor durability concerns.
Even though he is not yet a finished product this could be the type of guy you can build a team around if he fulfills his vast potential. High bust factor?
2. Brady Quinn, QB, 6036, 232, 4.73, Notre Dame
Brady Quinn took a quantum leap under the guidance of Coach Weis. His junior year was the best statistical year for a quarterback in the history of the school. He has broken every meaningful school record, and his third place finish in the Heisman voting solidified him as one of the best quarterbacks in school history. Brady is a hard worker and a leader with elite intangibles. Smart and does not make many mistakes with the ball. Knows how to read a defense and has been well schooled in a pro-style offense by a noted quarterback guru. Brady is mechanically and technically sound. He hides the ball well. He has a nice blend of accuracy and arm strength. He has touch on the deep ball, and he can throw a fastball to the sideline. Brady throws a catchable ball, and is accurate enough to lead his receivers away from big hits. His footwork on his drops is solid, and he also has excellent footwork in the pocket. He has good pocket awareness, sidestepping the rush to buy more time. A good athlete who can move in the pocket and scramble a bit. Very strong and does not go down easily. Is very tough and durable and has never missed any action despite taking quite a beating at times during his career. A clutch player who has come through big in tough situations and plays his best when the game is on the line. Has a lot of experience against top-notch competition and is accustomed to the spotlight.
He holds on to the ball too long after his progressions break down. He will force some throws at times rather than taking a sack or waiting for the next down. His accuracy tends to get spotty at times. He tries to keep the play alive too long, and takes big sacks occasionally. He isn't a great improviser. He struggles when the play breaks down. His internal clock is a little too long. Some are concerned he may be a product of Weis' system since he didn't really emerge until his junior year
He has become an excellent leader, and that may be his best attribute. He is a well liked player by his teammates, and he earns their respect with his toughness. He has the best intangibles for a quarterback in this draft. The total package who has everything you look for in a signal caller
After fielding questions at the Combine about his perceived drop, Quinn silenced critics with a strong performance during Notre Dame's March 4 workout. More than 65 coaches and scouts were in attendance, including representatives from Detroit, Cleveland, Minnesota and Miami -- teams drafting in the top ten thought to be entertaining adding a quarterback in the first round. Quinn, who took most of his snaps out of the shotgun with the Irish, showed good footwork and the strong, accurate right arm that had scouts buzzing as they left the workout.
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3. Drew Stanton - QB, 6033, 226, 4.71, Michigan State
Stanton is a good athlete that runs in the 4.7 range and that speed helps him escape the pocket and keep the play live. Is a terrific all-around athlete who can move in the pocket, throw on the run and hurt defenses with his feet. Has an NFL arm and has proven he can make all the throws. Displays good accuracy, touch and timing. He has good arm strength on deep routes. Can take over and dominate a game when he is on. His accuracy is fine as long as he steps into his throws. Most of the time he is able to find a check-down route or escape thanks to his foot speed. A true gunslinger who has the ability to rally a team around him. Has everything you look for in terms of intangibles. Fearless leader who can lead the team to victory. Still has quite a bit of upside and potential. Proven he can succeed in any offense.
A sporadic past two years has caused scouts to have various opinions on the future of a quarterback that possesses very good natural ability and ideal toughness for the position. This past season, Stanton started out strong once again, faltered some in the middle and then became more of a cautious passer than outgoing gunslinger. He has the ability to roll out of the pocket and make all the throws, but he got hesitant at times, not trusting his arm and decision-making skills and reverting to bad habits that led to turnovers and some close, hard-fought losses. He holds the ball too long and puts too much air under the ball, floating some throws up for grabs. Stares down his target. Has a lot of mental lapses and will take too many chances. Is wildly inconsistent. Doesn't handle pressure well. He can get antsy feet when pressure gets in his face. Too eager to run. Throwing mechanics and footwork will need work. Opens himself up to big hits. Has a long memory & bad plays stay with him. Has battled injuries throughout his career and durability is a big question. Will need to adjust to a pro-style offense.
He took some serious beatings in games, which caused him to fight through a number of nicks and bruises. To his credit, he remained on the field most of the time. Tore his ACL while covering a punt in 2003. Has impressed in off-season drills and must prove he can be a starting QB in the NFL. Classic boom or bust type who looks like an elite prospect one game and an undrafted free agent the next. The second group of QBs in this year's draft has a varied skill level, but Stanton's upside supersedes the others.
4. Trent Edwards - 6041, 231, 4.73, Stanford
Trent is a very experienced starting Quarterback from Stanford. He's a 3 year starter who was injured halfway through his senior season. He has an ideal body type at 225 to 230 pounds, and he's a very bright kid who will absorb playbooks quickly. A solid athlete who can throw on the run and move in the pocket. Good footwork, throwing mechanics and a quick release. Edwards has a strong arm, very good accuracy from the pocket and the ability to progress through his reads if given the proper protection. He throws a very catchable ball, too. Edwards can either zip the ball in or put it in with great touch. Still has a lot of upside and could really develop once he's healthy and in a better situation.
Trent will exhibit some bad habits at times but that may be a byproduct of playing with inferior talent all around him. His game breaks down some when he is forced to move or roll out, he does not always get his feet set and he fails to keep his eyes focused downfield, which has led to turnovers. Tries to do too much at times and as a result will make some bad decisions. Edwards must learn to get the ball out quicker or throw the ball away rather than taking so many sacks. He can still improve his pre-snap reads. A little fumble prone earlier in his career. Does not throw a great deep ball. Coming off an injury and has missed quite a bit of time during his career so durability is a big concern. He is not a winner. Didn't ever peform well in big games and actually regressed somewhat in his accuracy during his senior year. Is he to blame for this or is this just part of going to Stanford the past few years?
His injury history has some teams concerned; Suffered from compartment syndrome (a painful condition usually results from trauma that compresses muscles, nerves and blood vessels) as a freshman and spent ten days in the hospital, five in intensive care. Had his senior season ended prematurely when he broke his foot in October. Other teams see a big, potentially physical pocket passer that could develop into a solid starting quarterback in the next few years. He's an interesting prospect to evaluate because you can go so many ways with his grade.
Teams with an aging veteran or the hope of developing a pocket passer over the next two to three years should take a hard look at Edwards. He has all the tools to start in the league and you will not have to spend a first-round pick to select him. Has to prove his injuries are behind him.
5. John Beck - 6021, 215, 4.75, Brigham Young
Written by Wade Peery
Beck is armed with a lightning quick release and has remarkably good footwork in the pocket. He has a tremendous amount of zip on his balls and recorded the 2nd highest velocity of any quarterback at the 2007 combine, whistling the pigskin at 61.1 miles per hour. He fires a hissing spiral nearly every time the ball is released from his wrist. If that doesnâ€™t demonstrate his freakish arm, then maybe the fact that he can throw the ball 75 yards regularly while standing on two feet does! His wrists must be made of iron, because he flicks the ball effortlessly across the field, placing it right where it should be, where only the receiver can make a play with the ball. Beckâ€™s has the ability to put nice touch on his screen passes and some of the shorter routes also. Heâ€™s extremely good at shuffling his feet around the pocket to make sure his body is well-balanced to make the proper throws down the field. Good footwork is one of the most overlooked fundamentals of great quarterbacking and John Beck has some of the best footwork you will see of any prospect in this draft. He has the ability to withstand pressure, step forward and make the throw in the pocket. His vision of the passing lanes is very good too. Beck not only has the physical tools that make him an elite field general, but perhaps the most important part of being a great quarterback is being a â€śnatural born leader.â€ť He was blessed with an immense amount of football talent that allows him to lead by example on the football field and he is a great person off-the-field. Coupled together, those two ideals form one of the best types of leadership you can find in any sport. The Results are the ability to perform in the clutch is what separates the great signal-callers from the good ones and Beck demonstrated that in lifting his team to victory
Everybody has a weakness and for John Beck, these are two weaknesses that he cannot control. Perhaps the biggest two knocks on John Beck will be that he is a product of the spread offense at BYU and that heâ€™s too old(25 years old.) . He operated out of the shotgun in college, he has a very fluid, balanced drop back motion that wonâ€™t cause him any problems in the NFL. He shows excellent form in his drop backs, always keeping his head downfield and making the proper reads.He wastes very little motion when he drops back in the pocket and always makes sure that he keeps his throwing elbow(right) parallel to the ground. That is textbook form folks and every good quarterback coach in the country will tell you the same thing.
Some people also might not like his low release point and the fact that heâ€™s not prototypical size, (6â€™2, 216). The biggest legitimate concern here would be Beckâ€™s low release point. If Beckâ€™s height and release point were going to cause him serious problems. He overcomes his height is the fact that he can fit a ball in such a tight window because of his ball speed and his quick release. Heâ€™s going to have to adjust his throwing motion to work on throwing the ball more over the top. But for the most part like with VY, you know what they say, â€śIf it ainâ€™t broke, donâ€™t fix it.â€ť The fact he is Playing in a weak conference such as the Mountain West is not so important. Against Wyoming pass defense that ranked 8th in the NCAA this past season. He completed 20 of his 26 passes for 313 yards and two touchdowns. Those are dazzling numbers folks and if you look at the fact that it was against a pass defense that was ranked in the top 10 in the country, then it becomes even more impressive.
His mechanics are nearly flawless, his leadership ability is unmatched, his ball velocity is top-notch, his ball placement is incredible, and his footwork is unrivaled
projected selection 4th / 5th round
That was the best written review of the season for any player in the 2007 draft.
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6. Kevin Kolb -6032, 218, 4.84, Houston.
Kolb was a four year starter at the University of Houston, amassing over 12,000 yards passing. Great decision maker; Protects the ball and has a good career TD / INT ratio. Has a quick release and has nice touch on his passes; good arm strength and can make the long throw if necessary also a good runner with deceptive speed. He has good accuracy on the short-to-intermediate routes, and he puts good touch on his fade routes. He will stand tall in the pocket and step into his throws most of the time. Solid athlete who can run a little and hurt defenses with his feet. Shows more elusiveness than pure athleticism when he has to pull the ball down and run. Strong and has a solid build. Durable and has a lot of experience. Has everything you look for from an intangibles standpoint in terms of leadership, brains and work ethic. Kolb helped turn the Cougars around during his four-year career.
Not too much to knock him on, he could improve his speed a bit as he will have to be able to make even quicker decisions in the NFL. He took the majority of his snaps from the shotgun, so his footwork needs some refinement. Kolb has not been responsible for reading the entire field, so how quickly teams feel he can become adept at going through his progressions. Is going to have to learn how to run a pro style offense and read defenses. He will also carry the ball low at times, causing him to have a bit of a windup. He had a smaller lower frame than desired for the position, too. Accuracy is dodgy, especially on deep balls
There is a lot to like about this guy but he is a tough prospect to project and he'll have to fight the "System Quarterback" label. He was voted Conference USA's preseason player of the year and lived up to those expectations as UH won the conference championship. for someone. Recently married, he's the type of well-committed kid that will take the pro game seriously. Could surprise and end up starting
6. Troy Smith - 6000, 225, 4.77, Ohio State
A 4 year player who has played QB as well as returner has found himself as one of the NCAA's best quarterbacks. Blessed with a strong arm, quick feet, and intelligence, Smith had a breakout year in 2005 and has continued on par in 2006. Very athletic with great speed for the position. Moves well, can scramble, throw on the run and hurt teams with his feet. Arm is more than adequate and he throws a nice ball. The deep ball is a specialty. An accurate passer who minimizes his mistakes and doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. Has very sound mechanics and snaps the ball from the ear to maximize RPMs. Sets feet up extremely well and releases ball at highest point. Shows excellent promise running the ball as well and can make plays on the go. Has a solid build and is tough to tackle. A gamer who steps up in the biggest situations. Became a leader as he got older and is well respected by his teammates. Really developed as a passer in '06 and is still improving.
Does not have the ideal height you look for and as a result he will have trouble finding throwing lanes and get too many passes batted down at the line, under 6 feet. Does not always see the entire field. Still somewhat raw after only starting a little more than two years. Will get sloppy with his mechanics and technique at times. Is a 5th year senior and may have reached his peak of play. Has had character problems in the past.
If he were a little taller Smith would probably be a Top 10 pick but his lack of height is going to be a concern . He was found guilty of misdemeanor disorderly conduct which led to him not starting the critical Texas game (a loss) in 2005 and was also suspended for the Buckeyes Bowl game in 2004 for taking money from a booster.
Smith ran two 40s, in 4.65 and 4.71 seconds. That would have placed him second among the 15 quarterbacks who ran at the combine, behind only Jared Zabransky of Boise State.
Smith also posted a 36Â˝-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot, 2-inch broad jump (both best among combine QBs). He weighed in at 222 pounds â€” three lighter than he was at the combine.
And his throwing drew favorable reviews.
"Troy did what you expected him to do," Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage said. "He does have a strong arm, (and) he obviously has been working on his drops. He was impressive, as you expected him to be. He runs pretty smooth; he ran fast enough for a quarterback."
7. Jeff Rowe - 6049, 226 4.91, Nevada
A slightly-overlooked QB who has been somewhat hidden in the WAC over the years, but is on everybody's radar screens now, and for good reason. Was the MVP of the East-West Shrine Game, and boosted his stock there, with a solid week of practice, by at least a round. Mature RS senior who has seen plenty of playing time in his college career dating all the way back to the 2002 season when he played in 6 games. Has steadily improved and no longer makes the bonehead decisions he made when younger. Tall: a legitimate 6'5". Moves well in the pocket. Nice compact delivery for a tall guy. Nice timing and touch, but can also fire it. Very accurate and excels in the short to intermediate passing game. Checks down well. His TD/Int ratio, passing percentage, total yardage have all gotten better each year in the program. Runs well for a big guy and has found the endzone a lot while running it. Adapts well to new offenses. A leader. Pretty tough. Plays hurt. Smart with great leadership abilities.
The Nevada offense put him in the short shotgun all year and he has not been under center much lately. Did not work under center a lot and will have to adjust to a pro style offense. Arm strength is just average and will struggle going deep and isn't a vertical passer. Is not overly athletic. Is a better pure runner than Bledsoe, but has some of that kind of lack of pocket presence. Exposes himself too often, and gets hit a lot. He is a big target for pass rushers and still makes bad decisions once in awhile. He'll hold onto the ball too long and make some poor decisions. Frail frame, but with room to get stronger. Intangibles are not really there. A little goofy.
An exciting project QB who should do well holding clipboards in the right situation for a couple years before being tried as a starter. Would appear to be an ideal fit in the West Coast offense.
8. Jordan Palmer - 6054, 231, 4.98, Texas-El Paso
The younger brother of the Bengal's Carson, Jordan Palmer is coming into his own as a quarterback. A big presence in the pocket, Jordan does not have the cannon his brother possesses, but few do. Put up some huge numbers at UTEP, throwing the ball down field often. Has prototypical size and was extremely productive. Tough, strong and relatively durable considering the beating he took at times behind a sub par offensive line. Accurate with good touch when he's not being pressured. Team captain who shows some leadership ability. You can't ignore the family history and pedigree.Still has some upside
Has only played the QB position for four years, so he still is learning. Technique and mechanics are inconsistent and need a lot of work. Needs to cut down on his mistakes and become more accurate. Field vision is questionable and he will force throws. Throws way too many interceptions. Does not stand up to pressure well. Is not very mobile and will not hurt defenses with his feet...Arm strength is adequate but not special. He might be too easy going.
A lot of his weaknesses can be addressed with good coaching. Certainly has some physical tools to develop and he could thrive in the right situation but it's too much to expect him to be as good as his brother is.
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9. Jared Zabransky - 6019, 219, 4.56, Boise State
Jared is a seasoned vet who has started a tone of games for the Broncos. He has matured nicely since taking over the starting job before the '04 season. Plays with passion and fire. He is solid with good bulk. Can sling it all over the field with ease, having a nice delivery, good touch and timing. Can buy time and make something happen with his feet. Very good mobility and can do damage with his legs. Throws well on the run. Rallies people around him. Has matured and does not still take unnecessary risks as he did as a younger QB. Really improved his TD/int ratio as a senior, and showed very well at the Hula Bowl. Intangibles are good. Has a ton of experience and is a proven winner.
Trys too hard and will make some poor decisions, a bit too high strung. Still a bit too much of a risk taker, though he has done a better job with that lately. Lacks a canon arm and outstanding physical tools. Arm strength is nothing special. Has played in a system that is not inimical to producing a prototypical NFL dropback passer. Runs hot and cold. Stares down his targets. He had some trouble dealing with success and expectations off the field. Limited upside.
Intense and a classic gamer who somehow always finds a way to win. Often compared to Jeff Garcia and while that may be legit he might have to take the same long road to pro success. A late rounder who could potentially develop into a solid backup. Doesn't have the wheels of a Stefan LeFors, but plays a bit like him. A poor man's Fran Tarkenton.
10. Tyler Palko - 6014, 215, 4.83, Pittsburgh
A very cerebral, left-handed QB with good NFL size and intangibles. Coach's son who has played his whole life and seen everything there is to see. Takes charge, and people follow. Fiery, leads by example. Smart, like a coach on the field. Shows some special leaderhip abilities. Can make all the tough throws. Very confident. A gamer with wonderful gridiron instincts.
Tough and a classic gunslinger that plays like a LB. Very tough. Decent athlete who is deceptively mobile and can move a bit when flushed. Throws well on the run. Really sells the playaction. Upside intangibles are outstanding.
Does not have the height that you look for. Not the most accurate passer around. Tries to make too much happen on his own and gets burned by it. Bit too much of a risk taker. Doesn't always take what the defense is giving. Forces some throws. Accuracy comes and goes. Doesn't have outstanding touch or timing and does not see the entire field well. Holds onto the ball too long and takes too many sacks. His mechanics are spotty and need to be refined. Technique and footwork need a lot of work. Does not have a huge arm. A bit of a system guy? Plays with too much swagger ?
Will be just fine as a career journeyman or a starter on a solid team with good surrounding talent. Has boom or bust potential, but the boom is looking good right now. Probably doesn't project as a starter at the next level but could be an excellent pro backup for a long time.
10. Chris Leak - 5118, 209, 4.74, Florida
Chris Leak has been subject to a lot of scrutiny since Urban Meyer came to town. But the fact remains that he was the starting QB for the team that upset Ohio State for the National Championship. Despite all of his shortcomings, Florida wins games and many of those wins came on Leak's arm. Leak has a good, muscular frame and is a very good athlete with decent speed despite his preference to be a pocket passer. He has a smooth dropback from center (although most of his snaps come from the shotgun), holding the ball high while focusing downfield. His throwing motion is over-the-top and is fairly compact and quick on the short/intermediate throws. He is a very heady QB, aware of where his receivers are and very effective when he has time to go through his progressions. He excels in the short to intermediate passing game as he can put zip on the ball or provide the right touch when needed. He can make something happen with his feet and throws well on the run. Loves the game and is the football equivalent of a gym rat. Has a great football IQ, is a hard worker and highly competitive. A good teammate.
Much of the problem that Leak faced is the fact that he is more of a pocket passer, but Urban Meyer's offense calls for a lot of option and throwing on the run, not necessarily Leak's strong suits. The biggest knock on Leak is probably his size. He's shorter than the ideal QB and has relatively short arms that prohibit him from being a more effective passer downfield. Needs some work from a fundamentals, technique and mechanics standpoint. He tends to overcompensate on the long balls by widing up more and slowing his delivery. He floats and underthrows the receivers on these routes routinely. Still has lapses in judgment and make some bad mistakes. While he has good pocket presence, he gets nervous at the first sign of pressure and will bail on a play or force a ball too quickly. Accuracy can be spotty at times and he still throws too many interceptions. When he gets rattled, he loses his mental edge and it can sometimes take far too long to return. He has not always been a vocal, rah rah type of leader. The team doesn't seem to respond to him as a leader and, at times, seemed to rally around the freshman (Tebow) more this past year.Development has been somewhat stunted the past 2 years while playing in an offensive system he was not suited for. Limited upside.
Leak was a four-year starter and led the Gators to a National Championship in '06. Was a square peg in a round hole when it came to Urban Meyer's system and you almost have to evaluate his sophomore tape to get an idea of what kind of player he is. Could develop into a nice backup in the pros due to his intangibles.
11. Isaiah Stanback - 6024, 216, 4.50, Washington
Isaiah is a terrific natural athlete with pretty good size and bulk. He has very good speed and is extremely mobile. His arm strength is excellent and he snaps the ball off quickly. Throws well on the run. He is also a stronge runner that is tough to tackle in the open field. Very versatile and has experience at WR. Was showing major improvement as a senior. He is a team leader with solid intangibles. Still has a lot of upside.
Still very raw as a passer and only has about two years of experience. Still needs a lot of work when it comes to mechanics, technique and fundamentals. Makes too many mistakes. He's still recovering from a serious injury so health and durability are concerns. A long-term project regardless of which position he settles in at. Might have to change positions at the next level
Suffered a season-ending foot injury as a senior. Excelled in baseball as a prep and was chosen in the 45th round of the 2006 MLB Draft by the Baltimore Orioles. Some teams are looking at him as a wide receiver prospect and that is where he played as a freshman. An intriguing developmental guy as either a signal caller or wideout but will need a lot of work.
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12. Zac Taylor - 6025, 216, 5.15, Nebraska
Zac showed great poise in the pocket over his two year career and was an outstanding leader. Really smart, makes very good decisions and was able to run a pro style offense efficiently. Has a very quick delivery with good touch and timing. Can run if needed. Still improving and had a great senior campaign. Is tough and competitive. A fantastic leader.
Does not have a very strong arm. Not much of a downfield / vertical passer. Accuracy leaves something to be desired. Doesn't always throw a tight spiral. Not real fast or mobile. Carries the ball too low. Height is just average. Not much potential.
Nice college player with limited pro potential. He's a backup / #3 signal caller at best. Ideal fit in a West Coast scheme
13. Luke Getsy - 6026, 222, 4.96 Akron
Luke his career at Pittsburgh but was stuck behind Tyler Palko and transferred to Akron when his offensive coordinator took their head coaching job. Extremely smart. Has displayed top-notch leadership qualities. A decent athlete who can buy time with his feet. Gunslinger. Excels in the short passing game showing good touch and timing. Productive and Tough
Does not have ideal arm strength and will puts too much air under his deep balls. His delivery and release need work. Footwork's shaky. Will stare down his targets. Will try to do too much at times. He didn't always play well against elite competition.
Probably doesn't have the stuff to be a starter in the pros but could develop into a backup.
14. Matt Moore - 6034, 193, 4.92, Oregon St.
Matt comes the Quarterback factory of Hart High in Newhall,California following Kyle Boller and Kyle Matter, playing under coach Mike Herrington. Matt originally committed to UCLA out of high school before losing the job to Drew Olsen. He then played in Juco, was drafted in the MLB draft, before finally transferring to Oregon St. Quite a journied resume.
Matt is a very good athlete, runs the ball extremely well and has good pocket prescence. He has great size and a strong arm. After getting booed by the Beaver faithful earlier in his career, he was hoisted oup after defeating USC. Matt led the Beavers to another great win in their bowl game over Missouri. Trailing by 7 with under 2 minutes to go, Matt led the a scoring drive with a bullet to TE Joe Newton in the waning minutes of the game. Oregon St. later won on a 2 point conversion by RB Yvenson Bernard. Matt is a very strong competitor and doesn't shy away from pressure situations late in the game.
Matt's biggest problem has always been his accuracy and decision making. In 2005, he had 19 INT's and just 11 TD's. He is known at times to just make boneheaded plays resulting in bad interceptions. In 2006, he looked like he might have finally learned to throw the ball away.
Matt is a very strong competitor with a great arm and great speed. His decision making and accuracy will drop him some, but with the national exsposure of beating USC, and his bowl game heroics, I expect him to be drafted.
15. Brett Ratliff - 6 ft. 4.0, 224, Utah
JUCO transfer that started and won the final two games of 2005-2006. Won the QB battle between him, Tom Grady, and Brian Johnson coming into the season. Went 8-5 this season as the Utes's and won the Armed Forces Bowl against Tulsa. Strong arm and can put touch on his throws. Effective running the option and carrying the ball. Has good composure under pressure.
Character issues are a bit of concern after pleading guilty earlier this year to domestic violence charges. Inconsistency has been the key issue with his play, he has had both brilliant and rotten games. When things don't seem to be clicking he needs to gain self-control and not commit multiple turnovers.
16. Toby Korrodi - 6035, 234, 5.25, Central Missouri
A guy we have not scouted, but whom we know lots of people like. Very highly decorated at the DII level. Has good size and terrific bulk. Arm strength is exceptional. Nice touch, timing and accuracy. Can read defenses and go through progressions. Outstanding TD/INT ratio. Pretty tough...
Did not play against elite competition and was a big fish in a small pond. Is not very athletic and mobility is extremely limited. Sitting duck in the pocket. Work ethic and conditioning are concerns. Intelligence may be an issue. Long-term project.
Extremely intriguing sleeper and a good developmental signal caller.
QB Toby Korrodi from Central Missouri State weighed in at 6â€™ 3.4â€ť and 234 pounds, he had a little problem with accuracy at times, but believe it or not, of all the QBs at the 2007 NFL Combine, he had the strongest arm, with his ball speed clocked in at 63 MPH.
17. Justin Riscati - 6019, 222, 4.78, James Madison
Began his college career at Louisville but transferred when he was stuck behind Stefan LeFors and Brian Brohm. Riscati is a solid player with good size and he has a nice arm. He is able to make all the throws and plays with a good leadership mentality. Mobile and can make plays with his feet and throws well on the run. Good touch, timing and accuracy in the short pass game. A game manager that does not make too many poor decisions.
A tad shorter than you would prefer and did not play against top competition. Arm strength is just average. Has ball security issues. Is not a vertical / downfield passer and didn't do it much in college. Is too eager to run. Delivery needs work.
JMU's offense is not a pro playbook and the complexity and speed of the defenses he's faced has been less than stellar. He's got a lot of work to do, but to me he's probably the best project player among those not playing DI ball. Riscati is probably a late day two/UDFA player, but should get a shot on a team regardless. Will likely have to prove himself in either Europe or the CFL.
18. Josh Swogger - 6045, 237, 5.19 Washington State/ Montana
Has terrific size and bulk with a big frame. Very good arm strength and can make all the throws. Displays good timing on his throws. Good strength. Hard worker who loves the game and wants to improve. Smart and a team leader. Has upside.
Not very athletic. Limited when it comes to mobility and he won't make any plays with his feet. Isn't very accurate. Could not cut it against top competition. He tries to do too much. Makes a lot of bad decisions. He will stare down his target.
Has some physical tools to work with and mold but he's still just a developmental guy.
19. James Pinkney - 6022, 208, 4.80, East Carolina
James hails from the same Pirate program as David Garrard and Jeff Blake. A great athlete with adequate size and bulk. He is mobile and can make plays with his feet. Can throw on the run and has a quick delivery. Arm strength's more than adequate. Tough and fearless. Very strong. A decent leader. Still has some upside.
Makes too many bad decisions. He stares down his targets. Panics when under pressure. Very inconsistent. Has some trouble reading defenses. Touch, timing and accuracy are sub par. Intelligence is a concern. More of a long-term project.
Underrated college player and pro prospect. He's a developmental guy to be sure but he has some physical tools to work with and may surprise
20. Matt Gutierrez - 6042, 227, 4.90, Idaho State
Matt began his college career at Michigan but lost the starting job to Chad Henne, in part due to a shoulder injury, and transferred. He has excellent size and bulk with a big frame. A great arm. He throws a nice ball with good touch and timing. Stands tall in the pocket. Very smart. A hard worker. Confident and a team leader. Holder on special teams. Still has some upside.
Doesn't have much experience against top competition. Not a great athlete and mobility is limited. Accuracy leaves something to be desired. Makes too many bad decisions and forces throws. Delivery might need teweaking. Durability/Health issues.
Nice developmental pocket passer.
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From 3-14, any one of them would be solid developmental prospects. I don't know much about 15-20, so I won't comment on them. Gutierrez was once a highly touted college prospect though. He was good before he got hurt. I wouldn't mind bringing him via free agency and putting him on our practice squad.
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Lester Ricard - 6042, 232 4.85, Tulane
Lester was a top recruit coming out of high school and began his college career at L.S.U. but he redshirted and then transferred. He has prototypical size and bulk. More than enough arm strength with good touch and timing. Has a nice throwing motion and quick delivery. Throws a terrific deep ball. When he gets hot and can take over. Has a lot of experience.
Is not a great athlete. Inconsistent and makes too many bad decisions.Gets flustered under pressure. Accuracy comes and goes. Work ethic has been questioned. Mobility is really limited. He has character and attitude concerns
Developmental guy but he may lack the intangibles.
John Stocco - 6012, 203, 5.05, Wisconsin
A three-year starter in the Big Ten. Very smart and a hard worker. A game manager who doesn't make many bad decisions. Nice ball handling skills. Nice touch and timing. Tough and competitive. Cool under pressure. Team leader. He's simply a winner.
Doesn't have the ideal size you look for. Arm strength is below average. Puts too much air under his deep balls. Not real fast or mobile. Wasn't asked to do a lot in the Badger offense. Not the type who can take over a game. Upside's limited.
Was drafted by the Minnesota Twins as a pitcher but did not sign. Could maybe be a backup or #3 thanks to the intangibles.
Tyler Thigpen - 6016, 4.73, Coastal Carolina
Finished seventh in the balloting for the Walter Payton Award in 2006. He was a four-year starter. Good bulk and a solid build. A decent athlete that is mobile and can make plays with his feet. Arm strength is more than adequate and he is pretty accurate. Smart. A leader with terrific intangibles. Has upside.
Did not play against top competition. A little shorter than you would prefer. He still needs some work when it comes to technique and mechanics. Takes too many sacks. Might be years away and more of a long-term project.
Interesting developmental prospect who has some tools to work with. One-year wonder?..
Jeff Ballard - 6012, 212, 4.92, TCU
Most Accurate QB in TCU history and has the greatest winning percentage of any as well; went 19-2 as a starter. A great leader twice voted Team MVP. Earned a roster spot in the upcoming Hula Bowl. The simple facts are when Jeff is healthy TCU wins and when he's not healthy TCU loses. His greatest attribute as a QB is his accuracy and putting a nice touch on the ball. Elusive and tough runner from the pocket, he would have a better y.p.c. if QB sacks did not count as rushes. Inspiring player who played through several injuries of himself and teammates over the course of the season.
His height chops off a lot of his draft stock. Teams will also consider low passing statistic production when looking at him. Has every skill you look for in a QB but is not amazing at any of them.
Deserves a shot in the NFL. Might find himself on the practice squad and holding a clipboard a couple years before he gets a shot.
Dalton Bell - 6022, 210, 4.75, West Texas A&M
Dalton was 8th on the West Texas depth chart as a freshman, but hung with it, and has been one of the best quarterbacks in all of Division II football over the past couple of seasons. Played well in both the Magnolia Classic and the inagureal Texas v. The Nation games in the postseason. Named a 2006 preseason All-American by Don Hansen's Football Gazette and was the 2006 Lone Star Conference South Division Player of the Year.
Decent size and good mobility. Sees the field well. Manages the team. Gutsy without being an unnecessary risk taker. Throws an nice cathable ball. Good escape ability. Competitive and smart.
Lacks a canon and ideal size. Still learning the nuances of the game. Level of competition is a concern. Needs to improve accuracy.
Decent late-round gamble or priority UDFA.
Anton Clarkson - 6034, 215, 4.73, Hofstra
A football smart, coachable, coach's son who has very solid technique and knows how to play the position. Heady game manager who checks down well and generally makes good decisions. Was very productive in 2005 with two NFL-quality receivers. Adequate speed and escape ability. Makes all the throws. Does not stare down receivers. Great arm. Will lower his shoulder when making contact. Tough and resilient.
Not particularly strong. Not tall. may have difficulty in a pocket-oriented passing offense. Not a great runner despite decent speed. Production declined with the loss of Colston and Ellis, and the overall decline in the offensive line play in 2006. Better football student--but not a dedicated film-study type--than classroom student.
Undrafted, but mid-level UDFA type.
Nick Davila - 6025, 206, 4.80, Cincinnati
A rough-edged QB with some mystique about him. Did not get much playing time at all at UC, but worked some magic near the ned of the season--especially in the Bearcats huge upset win over then-undefeated Rutgers. Competitive. Throws a very nice, catchable ball. Has some intangibles. Hasn't yet scratched the surface of his potential. Tall enough. Moves around well in the pocket, and can pick up yards sometimes with his legs. Young with some upside. Has an even temperament.
Practically no starting experience as a collegiate QB. Was erratic when tried in the two-headed rotation (with Dustin Grutza) prior to pulling off some magic against Rutgers. Not very big. Will need to get stronger. Will need tons of seasoning. Looks like an ideal NFL Europe guy.
Probably just a priority UDFA, but he did enough late in his senior year to intrigue some people--so you never know
Cullen Finnerty - 6025, 224, 4.77, Grand Valley State (Mich.)
Four-time national champion at the DII level. Many post-season accolades including DII All-American. Runnerup for the Harlon Hill Trophy. Recorded a 36-4 record as a starting QB...9-1 record in playoffs...Accounted for 9,488 yards and 92 TDs in his career...Passed for 7,685 yards and 69 TDs, while rushing for 1,803 yards and 23 TDs...Ranks second in career total offense with 9,488 yards...Third in career passing yards with 7,685 yards...1,803 rushing yards ranks 14th in Laker annals...23 career rushing TDs is the eighth all-time. A heady player with good size for the position who is very strong (maybe the strongest QB in the draft) and has just plain won..and won...and won. Makes good reads and decisions. Smooth with check downs. Field general. Smart and fairly athletic. Deadly runner with good wheels. Cerebral.
Level of competition. Not the best arm around. Did not look his best against Northwest Missouri State in the National finals in 2006.
John Grant - 6017, 201, 5.06, U Cal-Davis
A prolific IAA quarterback at a well-renowned IAA program that produced Ken O'Brien and other pro QBs. Gets on streaks where he is unstoppable. Plays with passion. Is very accurate in spurts.
Runs hot and cold. Throws sidearm at times. Does not have a big arm. Makes too many mistakes.
No where near the pro prospect that Ken O'Brien was, put has some tools to work with that might get him into a camp as a UDFA
Matt Gutierrez - 6042, 232, 5.00, Fort Lewis
One of two Matt Guttierrez's who are senior football players available for the 2007 NFL Draft. (The other played in the Big Sky Conference IAA). This Matt is in the National Football Foundation College Hall of Fame - Colorado Chapter First Team (offense). All-RMAC First Team (2005 and 2006). RMAC Quarterback of the Year (2005). D2Football.com national offensive player of the week (Oct. 17, 2005). Two-time RMAC Offensive Player. All-Colorado Second Team Offense (2004). Fleet and smooth. Gets out on the wings and does damage passing and running. Good leadership. Makes pretty good decisions. Has matured each year and learned from his mistakes. Good kid who will work.
Size and level of play are huge concerns. Still throws too much into traffic. TD/Int ratio regressed in '06. Has never faced top competition, and did not get invited to the combine or any post-season all-star games.
Kevin Huff - 6011, 217, 4.73, Tuskegee
One of the best dual-threat QBs in DII football. A true leader who inspires his teammates. Really gets it done with his legs. Throws pretty well on the run. Productive and pretty fast. Good character and work ethic.
Has no chance of being a starter at QB in the NFL any time in the next couple of years...Kevin will need to transition to RB or safety where his speed will be marginal, but his toughness and football intelligence gives him a shot. Poor deep arm. Limited accuracy. Ball flutters. Only chance right now is to get into a camp and impress with special teams ability.
Is working with Steve DeBerg to improve his QB mechanics, but is willing to play in any position in any league. Looks like a perfect scrambling CFL-backup QB next year. Priority UDFA.
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Aries Nelson - 6020, 215, 4.79, Mississippi Valley St.
Good arm, mobile and tough, also a good leader. - QB Aries Nelson was named 2006 Preseason All-SWAC Conference First Team. Nelson, the 2004 SWAC Newcomer of the Year, completed the 2005 season with an outstanding campaign. As a junior, he passed for 2,942 yards and 17 touchdowns (3rd in SWAC) while guiding the Delta Devils to their first winning season in nine years. He also ran for 254 yards and six touchdowns. He was named Offensive Player of the Game in the Chicago Football Classic and SWAC Offensive Player of the Week twice. Can make plays on the run and fit the ball into tight spaces, runs with power and purpose.
Very inconsitent mechanics and not very accurate, also not great at reading defenses.
UDFA, his best bet might be the CFL.
Jimmy Terwilliger - 5108, 190, East Stroudsburg
Highly decorated small school QB who won the Walter Payton Award for the 2005 season, and has been a three-time DII All-American. Amazing productivity. Career marks of 148 career TD passes and 14,350 passing yards are legendary in DII. Amazingly productive at the DII level. Smart, and makes good decisions. Runs well, and throws on the run. Will draw some comparisons to Fran Tarkenton (or Colt Brennan, more currently). Dangerous runner on designed runs and when things break down. A winner who knows how to win.
Does not possess a big-time arm. Small and not that strong. Definitely a "system QB" who is very hard to project to the next level.
Has CFL or AF1 stamped all over him. Should still be a priority UDFA for the NFL, however based on his amazing production.
Kevin Weidl - 6000, 190, 4.85, Indiana
Mount Lebanon grad who was one of the better PSAC QBs over the past couple of years for IUP. Firey and competitive. Gutsy. Takes hits. Delivers the ball pretty well from either the pocket or on the run.
Lacks a big league arm. Does not throw a tight spiral consistently. Lacks NFL size. Makes poor decisions and his TD/Int ratio has never been very good.
Phil Horvath - 6030, 197, 4.90, N. Illinios
Marvin Burroughs QB Villanova 6-1 218 4.78
Sam Hollenbach QB Maryland 6-6 217 4.85
Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State/Michigan
|04-24-2007, 04:20 PM||#10|
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do you go for a proven starter from a legit conference in Smith or Leak??
do you go for a "project player" with the raw talent that could be a steal??
dude, your information is extensive and your opinions are right on.
please make sure to email them to coach payton!