Jarrett predicted to fall to late 1st round

jergensl · 04-26-2007, 11:58 AM

i don't want guinn...i watched a lot of OSU games this year and that kid has a serious case of the "droppsies."

he is a burner, but he already have one burner with bad hands(henderson) we don't need another one.

jarret would be a good #2 reciever that would get a chance to prove himself when colston is getting doubled.

papz · 04-26-2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Jarrett is no shrinkin' violet, man. He's like 6'5 220 isn't he? Williams had weight issues, but he's not that much bigger. Jarrett ran a 4.69. Come on guy, I don't care whether he and Williams are really that compatable, but 4.69 won't run away from anyone in the NFL. In comparison, Colston ran something similar. Colston, while great, is not a down the field threat. Occasionally he did break a long one, but it was the exception and not the rule. When you say, "believe what you see" I agree. I watched Chris Houston OWN Jarrett and bury him on the line of scrimmage, play in and play out. Yeah, Jarrett owned Hall, but Hall has been falling down most boards as well. Dwayne Jarrett is a possession guy. Don't care what he did in college and that's what he'll be in the pros. He won't be the playmaker you think in the NFL. He'll be better than Williams, I'll give you that, but that's not saying much. It is very similar to when Spurrier was at Florida. Every year his QB's and WR's were OVERHYPED because of his system. Few, if any, did diddly in the pros. Same with SC and their WR's. Name me one WR from SC in the Carroll era that has lived up to the hype? Colbert had one decent year in Carolina and has since, disappered off the face of the earth. I'll pass on Jarrett thank you.

So once again, do you consider Anquan Boldin a gamebreaker or a possession receiver? And remember, Boldin ran in the 4.6s also... and he runs away from PLENTY of corners. Saying Jarrett cannot do the same has no merit.

Jarrett tall and lanky... Williams tall and bulky. I'm sure you've noticed that. As far as watching Houston shut down Jarrett... he did the same to Bowe and many other SEC WR's? Does that mean Bowe/Meachem are overhyped and overrated? Maybe Houston is just a really good corner. Did you ever think about that?

Keyshawn Johnson and Keary Colbert was not hyped up coming out of college. So, I don't know what point you were trying to make bring up his name.

And lastly, we're talking about the #27 pick the draft and selecting Jarrett. You might not like him, but considering him there and calling him overhyped or not worth the pick is ludacris.

NarwhalHunter · 04-26-2007, 12:38 PM

I recall that Jarrett was hurt during the game against Arkansas and they mainly lined him up as a decoy. Could be wrong on that, though.

Nonetheless, he ate up Leon Hall and spit him out for lunch when they played Michigan, and Hall ran a 4.39 forty. Watch that game again and tell me which of the two looked faster. He might not have the best forty yard dash, but he's fast enough in pads and more importantly, he's a good football player. If we're talking receiver at 27, he's the guy I'd most want to see in black and gold.

SaintPauly · 04-26-2007, 05:04 PM

My whole point on Jarrett, is the hands. This guy makes outstanding catches, in critical situations. Now I'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with the system your in. The ability to make one handed, leaping catches, when the ball is overthrown, is unique, to the player alone, not the system he plays in. Out of the two, mark my words, jarrett will be more of a play maker than Bowe. I believe what I see, and I have seen nothing but amazing catches from Jarrett. Great blocking as well.

ScottF · 04-26-2007, 05:07 PM

Lazy? lack of speed? Doesn't run good routes?

Did anyone see the Rose Bowl??????

He TORCHED a very good Michigan defense for 205 yards and 2 scores

Last year he 70 catches in 10 games

Hell, he caught 91 when REGGIE and LenDale White were still there.

Just take him

SaintPauly · 04-26-2007, 05:21 PM

Hate to say this missile, but looks like you are all alone on this one. I have to say, being that I started the post, if Jarrett is there at 27, we should take him. But who knows, the draft NEVER seems to go the way they predict it to anymore. He could be gone by 15, who knows. But if the choice comes down to Jarrett, or Peterson at 27, I say take the WR. We don't need another RB.

BRSaintsFan · 04-26-2007, 08:21 PM

In missile's defense, I see his point of having two similar receivers in Colston and Jarrett. But we already have our deep threat with Henderson and we need someone else who can make catches over the middle to take some of the pressure off of Colston. And once again, you can not overlook the willingness and ability of Jarrett to block. If Reggie takes a toss to the outside, turns the corner, and Jarrett has handled the speedy corner on his side, there isnt anyone else on the field that can catch Reggie. Good blocking receivers open up the big play threat from the running game and with Reggie, a solid blocking receiver fits perfectly.

papz · 04-27-2007, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

was the 1st player taken in the entire draft. Can't get more "hyped" than that.

Oh I shouldn't have put those two names in the same sentence. Name one USC receiver who lived up to the hype... Keyshawn. His numbers and accolades don't lie.

BRSaintsFan · 04-27-2007, 08:53 AM

You make a good point but WR is just as much a position in need of youth as any position on our defense. Colston should be fine, but remember now he has to deal with the pressure of being the formal #1 WR. Henderson can run three routes - 9 route, deep post, hitch and go. That doesn't help us get first downs unless we are looking for 20+ yard plays. Copper and Jones played well last season but can they really be counted on for 16 games to step up and demand some attention so that teams dont focus on Colston? Patten certainly has the experience and at times in his career has played terrific. But you do not know what you are getting out of him after his stint in Washington. And he certainly isnt getting any younger. Bringing in a young target to take the pressure of Colston or to look to supplant Patten in a few years is just as much of a "need" as taking a CB to take the pressure of David or to take over for McKenzie in a few years.

I think the beauty of the BPA approach that we can take is we can say Who is the best WR, CB, DT, and LB available? Outside of those positions, who is the best player overall player available? Does the best overall player even if he is a OG do more for us than the best WR, CB, DT, or LB? Yes, we take him. If not, then compare the BPA's available for those 4 positions and whoever is the highest on your draft board, you take.

BRSaintsFan · 04-27-2007, 11:17 AM

[QUOTE=saintsmissile;128127]What I'm saying here is, if we end up taking a wr at 27, I would rather it be a speed guy. A guy who can stretch the field on a continual basis. /QUOTE]

The knocks on Jarrett I agree that Im scared of because of the bust potential ala Mike Williams. However, I disagree with this point of needing a speed guy. I think we need exactly what Jarrett and Bowe would give us - another threat in the 8-12 yard range across the middle of the field and solid blockers for the run game. We have Henderson as our speed, deep threat, home run, 2 catches for 100 yards a game guy. And Patten, in his years with the PAts, was also a deep threat. There is no need for another deep threat. With say Ginn and Henderson on the field with Colston, you have two guys running 9 routes down the sideline with one receiver coming across the middle. There is no use in our offense for two receivers running deep posts and fly patterns. We have that speed guy. Now, Ginn might be an exception because of what he could with catching a short pass and taking it the distance. But once again, with lining up Reggie at wide out, you have that aspect taken care of. I see your point of having too many "possession" wide receivers but I think you are incorrectly applying this word. 4.4 speed does not mean that a guy isnt a possession receiver (see Marvin Harrison). Guys like Steve Smith and Anthony Gonzalez in this draft ran that type of time, but they are well known and highly regarded as "possession" receivers. I look at it not from a possession vs deep threat standpoint but that there are three ways to get seperation and get open in football: 1. Speed, you simply outrun the guy trying to cover you. My issue with this is that in the NFL today, a 4.4 and even a 4.3 is becoming more and more a dime a dozen so you can not just rely on pure speed anymore (see Troy Willamson). Thus, I would prefer a "possession" receiver that can get open using 2. Crafty route running, as only the elite CBs can consistenly cover guys like this. or 3. Great use of the body to gain seperation, as only the elite and the bigger CBs can consistently cover guys like this. Thus, I see guys like Steve Smith and Anthony Gonzalez (route runners), Bowe and Jarrett (great use of large bodies) as being more valuable to our offense that already has the deep threats and the guys that can take the short pass the distance.

I could see Ross, if he is available, being a better pick than one of these wideouts because the position is so deep. But I think the need at LB is as much as the need at WR and that the players that will be available will not contribute initially and do not have the same long term potential as Jarrett. So if hes available, and Ross or Revis is there, then fine. IF not, then I think it will be hard pressed to find a better BPA or a guy that fills somewhat of a need for us.

04-26-2007, 12:27 PM	#12
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by saintsmissile Jarrett is no shrinkin' violet, man. He's like 6'5 220 isn't he? Williams had weight issues, but he's not that much bigger. Jarrett ran a 4.69. Come on guy, I don't care whether he and Williams are really that compatable, but 4.69 won't run away from anyone in the NFL. In comparison, Colston ran something similar. Colston, while great, is not a down the field threat. Occasionally he did break a long one, but it was the exception and not the rule. When you say, "believe what you see" I agree. I watched Chris Houston OWN Jarrett and bury him on the line of scrimmage, play in and play out. Yeah, Jarrett owned Hall, but Hall has been falling down most boards as well. Dwayne Jarrett is a possession guy. Don't care what he did in college and that's what he'll be in the pros. He won't be the playmaker you think in the NFL. He'll be better than Williams, I'll give you that, but that's not saying much. It is very similar to when Spurrier was at Florida. Every year his QB's and WR's were OVERHYPED because of his system. Few, if any, did diddly in the pros. Same with SC and their WR's. Name me one WR from SC in the Carroll era that has lived up to the hype? Colbert had one decent year in Carolina and has since, disappered off the face of the earth. I'll pass on Jarrett thank you. So once again, do you consider Anquan Boldin a gamebreaker or a possession receiver? And remember, Boldin ran in the 4.6s also... and he runs away from PLENTY of corners. Saying Jarrett cannot do the same has no merit. Jarrett tall and lanky... Williams tall and bulky. I'm sure you've noticed that. As far as watching Houston shut down Jarrett... he did the same to Bowe and many other SEC WR's? Does that mean Bowe/Meachem are overhyped and overrated? Maybe Houston is just a really good corner. Did you ever think about that? Keyshawn Johnson and Keary Colbert was not hyped up coming out of college. So, I don't know what point you were trying to make bring up his name. And lastly, we're talking about the #27 pick the draft and selecting Jarrett. You might not like him, but considering him there and calling him overhyped or not worth the pick is ludacris.

04-27-2007, 08:22 AM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by saintsmissile was the 1st player taken in the entire draft. Can't get more "hyped" than that. Oh I shouldn't have put those two names in the same sentence. Name one USC receiver who lived up to the hype... Keyshawn. His numbers and accolades don't lie.

04-26-2007, 11:58 AM	#11
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	i don't want guinn...i watched a lot of OSU games this year and that kid has a serious case of the "droppsies." he is a burner, but he already have one burner with bad hands(henderson) we don't need another one. jarret would be a good #2 reciever that would get a chance to prove himself when colston is getting doubled.

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04-26-2007, 12:38 PM	#13
NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	I recall that Jarrett was hurt during the game against Arkansas and they mainly lined him up as a decoy. Could be wrong on that, though. Nonetheless, he ate up Leon Hall and spit him out for lunch when they played Michigan, and Hall ran a 4.39 forty. Watch that game again and tell me which of the two looked faster. He might not have the best forty yard dash, but he's fast enough in pads and more importantly, he's a good football player. If we're talking receiver at 27, he's the guy I'd most want to see in black and gold.

04-26-2007, 05:04 PM	#14
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	My whole point on Jarrett, is the hands. This guy makes outstanding catches, in critical situations. Now I'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with the system your in. The ability to make one handed, leaping catches, when the ball is overthrown, is unique, to the player alone, not the system he plays in. Out of the two, mark my words, jarrett will be more of a play maker than Bowe. I believe what I see, and I have seen nothing but amazing catches from Jarrett. Great blocking as well.

04-26-2007, 05:07 PM	#15
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Lazy? lack of speed? Doesn't run good routes? Did anyone see the Rose Bowl?????? He TORCHED a very good Michigan defense for 205 yards and 2 scores Last year he 70 catches in 10 games Hell, he caught 91 when REGGIE and LenDale White were still there. Just take him

04-26-2007, 05:21 PM	#16
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Hate to say this missile, but looks like you are all alone on this one. I have to say, being that I started the post, if Jarrett is there at 27, we should take him. But who knows, the draft NEVER seems to go the way they predict it to anymore. He could be gone by 15, who knows. But if the choice comes down to Jarrett, or Peterson at 27, I say take the WR. We don't need another RB.

04-26-2007, 08:21 PM	#17
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	In missile's defense, I see his point of having two similar receivers in Colston and Jarrett. But we already have our deep threat with Henderson and we need someone else who can make catches over the middle to take some of the pressure off of Colston. And once again, you can not overlook the willingness and ability of Jarrett to block. If Reggie takes a toss to the outside, turns the corner, and Jarrett has handled the speedy corner on his side, there isnt anyone else on the field that can catch Reggie. Good blocking receivers open up the big play threat from the running game and with Reggie, a solid blocking receiver fits perfectly.

04-27-2007, 08:53 AM	#19
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	You make a good point but WR is just as much a position in need of youth as any position on our defense. Colston should be fine, but remember now he has to deal with the pressure of being the formal #1 WR. Henderson can run three routes - 9 route, deep post, hitch and go. That doesn't help us get first downs unless we are looking for 20+ yard plays. Copper and Jones played well last season but can they really be counted on for 16 games to step up and demand some attention so that teams dont focus on Colston? Patten certainly has the experience and at times in his career has played terrific. But you do not know what you are getting out of him after his stint in Washington. And he certainly isnt getting any younger. Bringing in a young target to take the pressure of Colston or to look to supplant Patten in a few years is just as much of a "need" as taking a CB to take the pressure of David or to take over for McKenzie in a few years. I think the beauty of the BPA approach that we can take is we can say Who is the best WR, CB, DT, and LB available? Outside of those positions, who is the best player overall player available? Does the best overall player even if he is a OG do more for us than the best WR, CB, DT, or LB? Yes, we take him. If not, then compare the BPA's available for those 4 positions and whoever is the highest on your draft board, you take.

04-27-2007, 11:17 AM	#20
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	[QUOTE=saintsmissile;128127]What I'm saying here is, if we end up taking a wr at 27, I would rather it be a speed guy. A guy who can stretch the field on a continual basis. /QUOTE] The knocks on Jarrett I agree that Im scared of because of the bust potential ala Mike Williams. However, I disagree with this point of needing a speed guy. I think we need exactly what Jarrett and Bowe would give us - another threat in the 8-12 yard range across the middle of the field and solid blockers for the run game. We have Henderson as our speed, deep threat, home run, 2 catches for 100 yards a game guy. And Patten, in his years with the PAts, was also a deep threat. There is no need for another deep threat. With say Ginn and Henderson on the field with Colston, you have two guys running 9 routes down the sideline with one receiver coming across the middle. There is no use in our offense for two receivers running deep posts and fly patterns. We have that speed guy. Now, Ginn might be an exception because of what he could with catching a short pass and taking it the distance. But once again, with lining up Reggie at wide out, you have that aspect taken care of. I see your point of having too many "possession" wide receivers but I think you are incorrectly applying this word. 4.4 speed does not mean that a guy isnt a possession receiver (see Marvin Harrison). Guys like Steve Smith and Anthony Gonzalez in this draft ran that type of time, but they are well known and highly regarded as "possession" receivers. I look at it not from a possession vs deep threat standpoint but that there are three ways to get seperation and get open in football: 1. Speed, you simply outrun the guy trying to cover you. My issue with this is that in the NFL today, a 4.4 and even a 4.3 is becoming more and more a dime a dozen so you can not just rely on pure speed anymore (see Troy Willamson). Thus, I would prefer a "possession" receiver that can get open using 2. Crafty route running, as only the elite CBs can consistenly cover guys like this. or 3. Great use of the body to gain seperation, as only the elite and the bigger CBs can consistently cover guys like this. Thus, I see guys like Steve Smith and Anthony Gonzalez (route runners), Bowe and Jarrett (great use of large bodies) as being more valuable to our offense that already has the deep threats and the guys that can take the short pass the distance. I could see Ross, if he is available, being a better pick than one of these wideouts because the position is so deep. But I think the need at LB is as much as the need at WR and that the players that will be available will not contribute initially and do not have the same long term potential as Jarrett. So if hes available, and Ross or Revis is there, then fine. IF not, then I think it will be hard pressed to find a better BPA or a guy that fills somewhat of a need for us.