Jeremy Green - ESPN Chat on Deuce

BRSaintsFan · 05-07-2007, 09:27 AM

Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com).

2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)

The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill)

So the salary cap hits are as follows:

2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4
2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4
2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1
2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0
2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9
2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9

Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.)

2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8
2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0
2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2
2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4
2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6
2012: = $1.8

So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009.

scott406 · 05-07-2007, 11:32 AM

Duece isn't going anywhere.
Pittman is a tough inside runner with speed to burn. Payton's plan in the offense is to run multiple plays out of the same formation to keep the defense off balance. Pittman gives him more of an option than Stecker.
Pittman will also give Duece and Bush a rest when we are blowing these other suck a$$ teams out this year. No need to put more tread on the tires than we have to.

scott406 · 05-07-2007, 11:33 AM

And Jeremy Green is an idiot!!!!!!!!

papz · 05-07-2007, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan

Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com).

2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus)
2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)
2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus)

The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill)

So the salary cap hits are as follows:

2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4
2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4
2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1
2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0
2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9
2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9

Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.)

2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8
2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0
2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2
2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4
2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6
2012: = $1.8

So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009.

I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons.

BRSaintsFan · 05-07-2007, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons.

Theres no reason not to keep him until at least 2010 unless as someone said we traded him and someone else picked up the cap hit but I dont know if that happens because Deuce is soon approaching 30 and we saw a few years ago the difficulty of dealing backs 30+ years old. It still doesnt really make sense to let him go until 2011. In 2010 there is a $2.6 mill difference, but for a RB of his caliber, it is more than worth it. Jamal Lewis signed a $3.5 mill deal this season so keeping Deuce for that difference would be well worth it IMO. All in all, I dont know who this Green cat is but he certainly doesnt seem to know much of what he is talking about. Deuce isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

cajunONCEagain · 05-07-2007, 03:56 PM

I honestly think some of you are looking at this from the wrong view? Every draft will create pre draft rumors and post draft rumors. Lewis was basically our only true kickoff returner..Until we got bush..however, as big a role reggie plays in this offense, You simply cant have him play every possible offensive position without the risk of injury.
The pittman draft was actually a pretty good pick. They can use pittman as a 3rd Rb, and more importantly put him on special teams and let him return punts and kickoffs. Think of the options..Bush-pittman returning kicks< who do u kick to? Pittman - Lewis? Pittman-Devery? As far as stecker goes..I honestly think stecker will either be cut or traded..most likely cut. Duece isnt going anywhere for a few years..reggie was drafted to give the offense an unlimited amount of mismatches..you dont take away part of the equation and still have mismatches. This offense this year is just anotherr example of payton planning for teams trying to defend against the saints from last year..This year is gonna have some new twists..This coach is always gonna stay one step ahead.

xan · 05-07-2007, 04:14 PM

What about Jamaal Branch, Walter Payton award winner and on the roster for the last two weeks of the season. He's a certified, long proven beast who any number of teams, now that there's NFL game tape on him, who'd mess their shorts to have him either start or be the primary backup. He's more of the Deuce replacement and he's got one of those unbelievably rare UDFA contracts so he's cap friendly. Can we afford to have 4 rb's on the roster? Which would you keep, Branch, Stecker or Pittman?

pakowitz · 05-07-2007, 05:18 PM

that might be a good point if pittman was a kick returner which he wasnt in college....

spkb25 · 05-07-2007, 06:57 PM

i dotn believe it at all. plus it just is a bad move all around. it doesn't make sense. that is why i dont see it. you have a monster back there between him and bush. you do away with that for what reason??

LongTimeFan · 05-07-2007, 07:42 PM

Sounds like another rumor, don't buy into it.....
Deuce is the man in N.O, the fans know it, his players know it and more important Sean Payton knows it, no way he leaves after this season...

05-07-2007, 11:35 AM	#24
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com). 2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill) So the salary cap hits are as follows: 2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4 2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4 2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1 2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0 2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9 2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9 Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.) 2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8 2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0 2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2 2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4 2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6 2012: = $1.8 So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009. I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons.

05-07-2007, 03:17 PM	#25
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Originally Posted by papz I never knew the details to his contract but I might have to change my stance on Deuce now. He's more than affordable and I definately wouldn't mind having him for at least 2 more seasons. Theres no reason not to keep him until at least 2010 unless as someone said we traded him and someone else picked up the cap hit but I dont know if that happens because Deuce is soon approaching 30 and we saw a few years ago the difficulty of dealing backs 30+ years old. It still doesnt really make sense to let him go until 2011. In 2010 there is a $2.6 mill difference, but for a RB of his caliber, it is more than worth it. Jamal Lewis signed a $3.5 mill deal this season so keeping Deuce for that difference would be well worth it IMO. All in all, I dont know who this Green cat is but he certainly doesnt seem to know much of what he is talking about. Deuce isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

05-07-2007, 03:56 PM	#26
cajunONCEagain Rookie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2	I honestly think some of you are looking at this from the wrong view? Every draft will create pre draft rumors and post draft rumors. Lewis was basically our only true kickoff returner..Until we got bush..however, as big a role reggie plays in this offense, You simply cant have him play every possible offensive position without the risk of injury. The pittman draft was actually a pretty good pick. They can use pittman as a 3rd Rb, and more importantly put him on special teams and let him return punts and kickoffs. Think of the options..Bush-pittman returning kicks< who do u kick to? Pittman - Lewis? Pittman-Devery? As far as stecker goes..I honestly think stecker will either be cut or traded..most likely cut. Duece isnt going anywhere for a few years..reggie was drafted to give the offense an unlimited amount of mismatches..you dont take away part of the equation and still have mismatches. This offense this year is just anotherr example of payton planning for teams trying to defend against the saints from last year..This year is gonna have some new twists..This coach is always gonna stay one step ahead.
cajunONCEagain Rookie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2

05-07-2007, 09:27 AM	#21
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Deuce's contract was through 2012 and the details are as follows: (The figures are from rotoworld.com). 2007: $2.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2008: $3.6 mill salary ($1 mill roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus) 2009: $5.3 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2010: $6.2 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2011: $7.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) 2012: $8.1 mill salary ($100,000 workout bonus) The signing bonus on the deal was $12.5 million. Signing bonuses implications to the salary cap are prorated and divided out by the length of the contract upon signing (7 years was the original length. $12.5/7= about $1.8 mill) So the salary cap hits are as follows: 2007: $2.6 +$1.8+$1 = $5.4 2008: $3.6 +$1.8+$1 = $6.4 2009: $5.3 +$1.8 = $7.1 2010: $6.2 +$1.8 = $8.0 2011: $7.1 +$1.8 = $8.9 2012: $8.1 +$1.8 = $9.9 Cap Hits if cut before salary is due (before 6/1): (The remaining amount of a signing bonus is summed and counted against the cap upon termination of a contract.) 2007: $1.8 X 6 = $10.8 2008: $1.8 X 5 = $9.0 2009: $1.8 X 4 = $7.2 2010: $1.8 X 3 = $5.4 2011: $1.8 X 2 = $3.6 2012: = $1.8 So financially against the cap, it makes almost no sense to cut him loose before 2009.

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05-07-2007, 11:32 AM	#22
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	Duece isn't going anywhere. Pittman is a tough inside runner with speed to burn. Payton's plan in the offense is to run multiple plays out of the same formation to keep the defense off balance. Pittman gives him more of an option than Stecker. Pittman will also give Duece and Bush a rest when we are blowing these other suck a$$ teams out this year. No need to put more tread on the tires than we have to.

05-07-2007, 11:33 AM	#23
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	And Jeremy Green is an idiot!!!!!!!!

05-07-2007, 04:14 PM	#27
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	What about Jamaal Branch, Walter Payton award winner and on the roster for the last two weeks of the season. He's a certified, long proven beast who any number of teams, now that there's NFL game tape on him, who'd mess their shorts to have him either start or be the primary backup. He's more of the Deuce replacement and he's got one of those unbelievably rare UDFA contracts so he's cap friendly. Can we afford to have 4 rb's on the roster? Which would you keep, Branch, Stecker or Pittman?

05-07-2007, 05:18 PM	#28
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	that might be a good point if pittman was a kick returner which he wasnt in college....

05-07-2007, 06:57 PM	#29
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	i dotn believe it at all. plus it just is a bad move all around. it doesn't make sense. that is why i dont see it. you have a monster back there between him and bush. you do away with that for what reason??

05-07-2007, 07:42 PM	#30
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Sounds like another rumor, don't buy into it..... Deuce is the man in N.O, the fans know it, his players know it and more important Sean Payton knows it, no way he leaves after this season...