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Old 06-07-2007, 12:22 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 View Post
"Well for one thing the panthers are a better team and will win the division. That alone is a step back for the saints."

That was well thought out. Good response.
I don't mind fans from other teams logging in and talking football as long as they have class and some sort of knowledge of the game. Buddy, you haven't proven to me that you have either of those traits.
But if I lied and said the saints were the better team then I would suddenly have class and knowledge ?
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Old 06-07-2007, 12:26 AM   #42
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oh come on iceshack, don't you get it?!
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:06 AM   #43
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"oh come on iceshack, don't you get it?!"

Sure I do, and I'm guilty of egging him on. I had hoped that he would read the post and one of two things would happen.

1) He'd realize that his posts were weak and devoid of any substance and therefore try harder to become a better poster.

2) He'd realize that his posts were weak and devoid of any substance and therefore beat it and impress his friends on whatever forum the Panthers run.

Maybe you're right, I don't get it.
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Old 06-07-2007, 06:26 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 View Post
"oh come on iceshack, don't you get it?!"

Sure I do, and I'm guilty of egging him on. I had hoped that he would read the post and one of two things would happen.

1) He'd realize that his posts were weak and devoid of any substance and therefore try harder to become a better poster.

2) He'd realize that his posts were weak and devoid of any substance and therefore beat it and impress his friends on whatever forum the Panthers run.

Maybe you're right, I don't get it.
Iceshack,

Neither of those things are going to happen. So why don't we simply enjoy the distraction and use him as a foil to discuss what we think will happen this season.

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Old 06-07-2007, 07:09 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by gengizk View Post
Well for one thing the panthers are a better team and will win the division. That alone is a step back for the saints.
You're basing this on the fact that you have a new backup QB? Or replacing one long rangy WR who played at USC with a younger model?

Second, anytime a team comes out of nowhere to do what the saints did last year they usually come back down to earth the next year. It happened to Atlanta in 05, it happened to the bucs in 06', and it even happened to the panthers in 04'. Granted we had 14 guys on IR that year so that excuses us. The saints will be competitve. But they probably wont be as good.
So what would have happened to your Panthers in 04 if the injuries had not hit? You would have won the SB of course, right?

The Saints had the #1 offense in the NFL last year. The offseason filled the only two open positions of need. Unlike the Panthers, the Saints are completely overloaded at WR. Hell you may be picking up the guys we cut at the end of training camp.

The OL comes back completely intact. We have two tackles that will be coming into their second full year on the job.

The Saints' defense had holes last year. Through free agency and the draft, virtually every need was addressed. I think you can debate how the Saints match up at DT, but the CB,S, and MLB positions all were addressed.

The team was very smart and resigned all of their critical FA. We could have lost Hollis Thomas, Grant, and Stinchcomb. They are all back with long term deals.

Most importantly you have a coaching staff and veteran leadership on the team that realizes that nothing that was accomplished last year matters anymore. Payton has stressed this point. Take a read of the Joe Vitt Bear Balls article down the forum to get a sense of urgency the coaching staff feels.

You don't have a leg to stand on barring injury. The Saints' offense one weakness last year was outstanding top 5 defenses. In playing the AFC South and the NFC West this year, this offense won't see any such defenses until potentially the last game of the season. And yes I'm specifically excluding the Panthers off of this list.

My predictions for the Saints:

Division: 5-1. Not 6-0 simply because it's crass to think a team is going to sweep their division. The Bucs rise up and find a way to steal one!

AFC South: 4-0. We get Indy first up and win in a shootout. Jacksonville still won't be able to effectively score. Houston and Tennessee still won't be all there year and won't have the defense to hang

Other #1s from last year: 2-1 This year we may give the Bears the last game of the season, but only because the #1 NFC seed and HFA is already locked up. Philly has been dominated. Seattle doesn't have the defense.

NFC West: 2-1. I'm hedging my bets here. Each of the three teams left in this division can sling it. Figuring that in three shootouts, one will figure out how to shoot more bullets. Probably the Rams though that's a home game.

13-3. #1 seed and HFA. SB bound.

All of course barring massive injuries during the season. That's a joker that you never know will be dealt.

BTW I don't know where the Panthers will finish. But with the record above, does it really matter?

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The Saints have been to playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and a own a SB championship.

I can hardly believe this happened in my lifetime.
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Old 06-07-2007, 07:20 AM   #46
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A quick followup:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
Most importantly you have a coaching staff and veteran leadership on the team that realizes that nothing that was accomplished last year matters anymore. Payton has stressed this point. Take a read of the Joe Vitt Bear Balls article down the forum to get a sense of urgency the coaching staff feels.
Here's a quote from Brees that illustrates this point

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2892963

"Nothing is promised to us this year," Brees said. "We have to go out and re-earn it all over again. We have to re-earn everyone's respect. That's always tough because human nature would tell you otherwise."
It's that type of leadership that will keep the Saints moving forward instead of falling back.

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Old 06-07-2007, 08:35 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by gengizk View Post
It happened to Atlanta in 05, it happened to the bucs in 06', and it even happened to the panthers in 04'. Granted we had 14 guys on IR that year so that excuses us.
So everyone at B&G is supposed to excuse you for injuries and putting players on IR because you're already out of contention after a 1-7 start (then won 6 of 8..... uh-huh), but we don't get a break from you for enduring the worst natural disaster in US history... thanks.

Gruden's first year 2002 12-4 Superbowl Champs. Mora's first year 2004 11-5 Lost conf champ. Fox's first year 2002 7-9 (next year super bowl). Payton first year 2007 10-6 Lost conf champ.

Gotta admit genghis, it does look like a pattern here.... Hell, even Haslett won a playoff game in his first year. Guess we gotta fire Payton?? This is what makes the offseason so interesting.... the "wait and see". No matter what happens, we're in for one heck of a season.

BTW I'll be at the CAR vs NO game. Can we sit together??

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Someone call Canton

Guys y'all are forgeting something here. The Panthers have Delhomme and Carr. Those are two GREAT QBs. This way if one starts to suck they've got another one to come in and blow.
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Old 06-07-2007, 11:29 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
You're basing this on the fact that you have a new backup QB? Or replacing one long rangy WR who played at USC with a younger model?



So what would have happened to your Panthers in 04 if the injuries had not hit? You would have won the SB of course, right?

The Saints had the #1 offense in the NFL last year. The offseason filled the only two open positions of need. Unlike the Panthers, the Saints are completely overloaded at WR. Hell you may be picking up the guys we cut at the end of training camp.

The OL comes back completely intact. We have two tackles that will be coming into their second full year on the job.

The Saints' defense had holes last year. Through free agency and the draft, virtually every need was addressed. I think you can debate how the Saints match up at DT, but the CB,S, and MLB positions all were addressed.

The team was very smart and resigned all of their critical FA. We could have lost Hollis Thomas, Grant, and Stinchcomb. They are all back with long term deals.

Most importantly you have a coaching staff and veteran leadership on the team that realizes that nothing that was accomplished last year matters anymore. Payton has stressed this point. Take a read of the Joe Vitt Bear Balls article down the forum to get a sense of urgency the coaching staff feels.

You don't have a leg to stand on barring injury. The Saints' offense one weakness last year was outstanding top 5 defenses. In playing the AFC South and the NFC West this year, this offense won't see any such defenses until potentially the last game of the season. And yes I'm specifically excluding the Panthers off of this list.


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Well obviously if the panthers hadnt been injured in 04 we would have at least made a deep run in the playoffs and probably would have won the super bowl. Duh! It doesnt take a genius to figure that out!

As for you being "overloaded" at receiver, having a rookie WR that shows up 20lbs over weight and "overloaded" doesnt count. Because other than Colsten you have nothing that even comes close to sniffing the talent that the panthers have at this position.
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Old 06-07-2007, 11:32 AM   #50
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BTW I'll be at the CAR vs NO game. Can we sit together??
Sure dude!
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