Pitch For D. Walker To Be A Saint.....

blacksaint · 06-23-2007, 11:10 PM

I'm making my pitch for DT Darwin Walker to be a Saint, I think these stats says it all, I think our defense need a pass rushing attack up the middle. Just imagine having Young and Walker in and out, back and fourth into the lineup, when that fourth quarter roll around man they would be so fresh and unstoppable.

Below are the statistics from the last five (5) years of our DTs and Walker's, DARE TO COMPARE:

NAME____________YRS_GMS_TLKS_SKS_PD_INT_FF_FR
Kendrick Clancy____5____54___78___3___1__0___1__3
Lance Legree______5____64__115___7___1__0___1__1
*Hollis Thomas_____5____60__169__3.5__8__0___1__3
Brian Young_______5____79__227___12__4__0___2__8
^Antwan Lake_____4____53___32___4___3__0___2__0
Rodney Leisle______3____17___17___0___0__0___0__1
McKinley Boykin____1____0____0____0___0__0___0__0
Brandon Villarreal___1____0____0____0___0__0___0__0

NAME____________YRS_GMS_TLKS_SKS_PD_INT_FF_FR
Darwin Walker______5___77___165_26.5_11__1__5__5

notes:
*Used 2001 because he missed the entire 2002 season.
^signed with the Falcons in 2003, DNP.
-Antwan Lake is more effective as a DE than a DT.

"After reviewing these stats can anyone tell me why this wouldn't be a hell of a good move for our defense, I personally believe that this is the move that pushes our defense to the top. Also making this move offers the Saints the luxury of playing Antwan Lake strictly at DE, improving the overall effectiveness of the whole defensive line."

Bobaganoosh · 06-23-2007, 11:52 PM

The fact that he wants big time money for a one dimensional player. He is holding out for a massive contract from the Bills and he isnt going to get it...so he is going to be sent back to the Eagles and they dont want any part of him...he is the perfect example of a guy who thinks he is much better than he really is...he is a good pass rusher for a DT...but has been marginal at best vs the run. The Eagles are very good at retaining their good young players...and they chose to trade him.

blacksaint · 06-24-2007, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

The fact that he wants big time money for a one dimensional player. He is holding out for a massive contract from the Bills and he isnt going to get it...so he is going to be sent back to the Eagles and they dont want any part of him...he is the perfect example of a guy who thinks he is much better than he really is...he is a good pass rusher for a DT...but has been marginal at best vs the run. The Eagles are very good at retaining their good young players...and they chose to trade him.

First of all he don't want Charles Grant money, he just want what every other player want, his worth. Secondly, how can you call this guy one dimensional? He has 165 tackles over five years, that's anything but marginal, 11 pass deflections, 5 forced and 5 recovered fumbles, and an interception, are you kidding me? I wish we had three more one dimensional, marginal DT's just like him. And third, before you start praising Philly about keeping their good young players, they might be good at keeping their young players, but not their good ones. If that was the case Hollis Thomas wouldn't be wearing BLACK & GOLD, are you saying Big Hollis wasn't worth it, I think Thomas is more one dimensional than Walker(check the stats), and he's working out just fine, and last time I heard, we threw a lot of money at him to stay. Thomas is at his best stuffing the run, Walker is at his best pressuring the QB, I would rather see him as a Saint than a Bird, Cat, or a Pirate.

hagan714 · 06-24-2007, 07:17 AM

Hollis does have one of my favorite plays from last year. In atlanta late in third (i think) broke through the middle and hurried Vick into passing, a complete though. On that play he leveled vick. Text book tackle. Face mask in the numbers and plowing vick backwards into the turf. I mean plowed. Vick had to peal himself from the carpet. from that point on he was scrambling every direction but in Hollis' direction. Hollis may not have gotten the scaks but he does instill fear which is just as good.
Well what kind of money are you guys talking here. 2.0 to 3.5 million? Lets here some numbers. 2.0 might fly but any more and I doubt it. He was sent packing from the eagles because he would not hold up his end of the contract and now he is not working with the Bills after the trade. The sign up money must be like Clancys' last year with the Cards. 3.5 million. If that the case we will probably not go after him.

lumm0x · 06-24-2007, 10:24 AM

You can never have enough D-line depth and talent, but this is a business. If it makes financial sense then I'm all for it. b

saintswhodi · 06-24-2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

You can never have enough D-line depth and talent, but this is a business. If it makes financial sense then I'm all for it. b

Agreed 100%

blacksaint · 06-24-2007, 07:19 PM

I think around 2 mil to 2.5, 3 year contract should do the trick with an op out clause after the second year for the club. Walker is one of the top DTs in the league, on ESPN they said he was one of the top three or four DTs over the last five year's. If we're seriously talking about making the next step to winning a Superbowl, it's moves like this that gets you there, just ask New England.

06-23-2007, 11:10 PM	#1
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Pitch For D. Walker To Be A Saint..... I'm making my pitch for DT Darwin Walker to be a Saint, I think these stats says it all, I think our defense need a pass rushing attack up the middle. Just imagine having Young and Walker in and out, back and fourth into the lineup, when that fourth quarter roll around man they would be so fresh and unstoppable. Below are the statistics from the last five (5) years of our DTs and Walker's, DARE TO COMPARE: NAME____________YRS_GMS_TLKS_SKS_PD_INT_FF_FR Kendrick Clancy____5____54___78___3___1__0___1__3 Lance Legree______5____64__115___7___1__0___1__1 Hollis Thomas_____5____60__169__3.5__8__0___1__3 Brian Young_______5____79__227___12__4__0___2__8 ^Antwan Lake_____4____53___32___4___3__0___2__0 Rodney Leisle______3____17___17___0___0__0___0__1 McKinley Boykin____1____0____0____0___0__0___0__0 Brandon Villarreal___1____0____0____0___0__0___0__0 NAME____________YRS_GMS_TLKS_SKS_PD_INT_FF_FR Darwin Walker______5___77___165_26.5_11__1__5__5 notes: Used 2001 because he missed the entire 2002 season. ^signed with the Falcons in 2003, DNP. -Antwan Lake is more effective as a DE than a DT. "After reviewing these stats can anyone tell me why this wouldn't be a hell of a good move for our defense, I personally believe that this is the move that pushes our defense to the top. Also making this move offers the Saints the luxury of playing Antwan Lake strictly at DE, improving the overall effectiveness of the whole defensive line."
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06-23-2007, 11:52 PM	#2
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	The fact that he wants big time money for a one dimensional player. He is holding out for a massive contract from the Bills and he isnt going to get it...so he is going to be sent back to the Eagles and they dont want any part of him...he is the perfect example of a guy who thinks he is much better than he really is...he is a good pass rusher for a DT...but has been marginal at best vs the run. The Eagles are very good at retaining their good young players...and they chose to trade him.
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06-24-2007, 12:54 AM	#3
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh The fact that he wants big time money for a one dimensional player. He is holding out for a massive contract from the Bills and he isnt going to get it...so he is going to be sent back to the Eagles and they dont want any part of him...he is the perfect example of a guy who thinks he is much better than he really is...he is a good pass rusher for a DT...but has been marginal at best vs the run. The Eagles are very good at retaining their good young players...and they chose to trade him. First of all he don't want Charles Grant money, he just want what every other player want, his worth. Secondly, how can you call this guy one dimensional? He has 165 tackles over five years, that's anything but marginal, 11 pass deflections, 5 forced and 5 recovered fumbles, and an interception, are you kidding me? I wish we had three more one dimensional, marginal DT's just like him. And third, before you start praising Philly about keeping their good young players, they might be good at keeping their young players, but not their good ones. If that was the case Hollis Thomas wouldn't be wearing BLACK & GOLD, are you saying Big Hollis wasn't worth it, I think Thomas is more one dimensional than Walker(check the stats), and he's working out just fine, and last time I heard, we threw a lot of money at him to stay. Thomas is at his best stuffing the run, Walker is at his best pressuring the QB, I would rather see him as a Saint than a Bird, Cat, or a Pirate.
	saint4life (504)

06-24-2007, 07:17 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Hollis does have one of my favorite plays from last year. In atlanta late in third (i think) broke through the middle and hurried Vick into passing, a complete though. On that play he leveled vick. Text book tackle. Face mask in the numbers and plowing vick backwards into the turf. I mean plowed. Vick had to peal himself from the carpet. from that point on he was scrambling every direction but in Hollis' direction. Hollis may not have gotten the scaks but he does instill fear which is just as good. Well what kind of money are you guys talking here. 2.0 to 3.5 million? Lets here some numbers. 2.0 might fly but any more and I doubt it. He was sent packing from the eagles because he would not hold up his end of the contract and now he is not working with the Bills after the trade. The sign up money must be like Clancys' last year with the Cards. 3.5 million. If that the case we will probably not go after him.
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06-24-2007, 10:27 AM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by lumm0x You can never have enough D-line depth and talent, but this is a business. If it makes financial sense then I'm all for it. b Agreed 100%

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06-24-2007, 10:24 AM	#5
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	You can never have enough D-line depth and talent, but this is a business. If it makes financial sense then I'm all for it. b

06-24-2007, 07:19 PM	#7
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	I think around 2 mil to 2.5, 3 year contract should do the trick with an op out clause after the second year for the club. Walker is one of the top DTs in the league, on ESPN they said he was one of the top three or four DTs over the last five year's. If we're seriously talking about making the next step to winning a Superbowl, it's moves like this that gets you there, just ask New England.