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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheDeuce I don't think Fred will be the odd man out. I think the coaching staff likes him, and they're going to be willing to play him in nickel or dime packages. Oh they like him so ...

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Old 07-27-2007, 04:54 PM   #11
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I don't think Fred will be the odd man out. I think the coaching staff likes him, and they're going to be willing to play him in nickel or dime packages.
Oh they like him so much they asked him to take a pay cut in order to make the team... ahhh ok.
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Old 07-27-2007, 05:09 PM   #12
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They like him enough to ask him to take a pay cut to stay with the team. If they didn't, they would have just straight cut him and move on.
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Old 07-27-2007, 05:33 PM   #13
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I think the chances to make the team increases for Phillips, Jones, and Reis, Freddie "DOUBLE MOVE" Thomas will have to regain his form from a few years ago to even make the team.
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:11 PM   #14
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First off Fred Thomas>Jason Craft

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Oh they like him so much they asked him to take a pay cut in order to make the team... ahhh ok.
tom brady must have had to take a cut to make the team for the patroits a few years ago too

and every1 always trys to pin everything on the cornerback when football is a team game, underneath fred didnt give up much, is over the top, where the saftey is supposed to be providing suport, that fred got "burnt", but there arent that many champ baileys to go around where you can just say "champ cover this guy we'll focus on the other" most corners need support in the passing game, josh bullocks only had 2 int's and 10 ball defences last year, thats not enough from a free saftey, espically when fred thomas kept getting beat over the top, sammy knights used to get more than that and he was a strong safety

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Old 07-28-2007, 12:04 AM   #15
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Reis is the most talented. He is a Gleason type special teams player. As a bonus he is also a backup long snapper. He snapped for punts while playing in Europe and is currently working with the kicking team before and after regular practice.
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:18 AM   #16
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Look for McKenzie & Young to be the starting CB's, but watch the kid from Wingate (David Jones). He's got talent. He could possibly play his way into the nickel roll.
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:41 AM   #17
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First of all, Gleason on IR doesnt necessarily open up a DB spot...he was kept on the team as a special teams player, not a DB.

Secondly, while i am not a fan of Fred Thomas, he is the best bet right now to be the nickel corner...which is a completely different situation than being your number 2 corner.

Thirdly, after my second statement, i will say this...either Thomas or Craft gets the boot and i am pulling for Craft to stay, but if i had to bet, i would say Thomas stays. It will take a major flop in camp for David Jones to make this team.

Fourth, Chris Reis will under no circumstance make the opening day roster...well, barring 3 major injuries to our secondary, he will not make the opening day roster.

Mckenzie, Young, Bullocks, KK, and Harper are the only locks in the secondary. Everyone else is fighting for a job. There are just a few people with better odds than others.

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A lot of you guys have Young starting opposite McKenzie at CB. I personally think it's Jason David that will start opposite McKenzie. The Saints definitely didn't pay David all that money to be a backup, and I don't think he sign with the Saints to be a backup either. Young, depending on how he does during training camp will be the backup and nickel CB with Craft, Phillips, and Jones battling for the other backup and dime spots. I really believe by the end of camp, ole "DOUBLE MOVE" Thomas will be the odd man out. Besides, even with the pay cut he agreed to, he's still making to much money for a 4th or 5th CB.

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A lot of you guys have Young starting opposite McKenzie at CB. I personally think it's Jason David that will start opposite McKenzie. The Saints definitely didn't pay David all that money to be a backup, and I don't think he sign with the Saints to be a backup either. Young, depending on how he does during training camp will be the backup and nickel CB with Craft, Phillips, and Jones battling for the other backup and dime spots. I really believe by the end of camp, ole "DOUBLE MOVE" Thomas will be the odd man out. Besides, even with the pay cut he agreed to, he's still making to much money for a 4th or 5th CB.
well put

we did not sign David to be a $4 million a year nickel back. Young will be great, but not as a rookie. I follow KSU, and they do not play anybody

and at the end of the day, freddie is a dime back at best, and making way more than Jones, Porter or Phillips. I can't see him or Craft making it
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:35 PM   #20
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Re: The Open Db Position...

It's gonna be MM and Jason David on the corners, with Harper and KK in the safeties (probably with Bullocks rotating). Write it down.

Isn't Usama hurt? Maybe a quad?
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