Euphoria

Let me settle this argument now.

I know there are some of you who think running Deuce is the answer, but I hate to tell you its not. Running Deuce is effective if we have the lead but not when you are getting your butts handed to you 17 plus points to nothing. Only thing running Deuce does at that point is help the other team eat up the clock more and keeps the score even lower which if you don't have the lead and can't do diddley equals a lose.

Our D SUCKS, we can't put pressure on the QB and we can't cover my grandmother. If D was doing there job we'd be able to run Deuce and win... they'd be able to come up and try and stop him which would open up the passing game more.

Great example is the Colts game. They took away the deep passes and gave us running Deuce up the middle. They got a few points ahead of us and there was no way we could catch up if they took away our passing game. Thats the secret to beating us attack our D and take away deep passes. DUH. OUR D SUCKS the word is out.

WillMacKenzie

there IS no argument, you're right, they're right, everyone's right, you have to stay committed to Deuce. The defense has to keep away from the big play. They're linked. It's not one or the other!

Run Deuce = other offense off the field = they can't score 21 damn points in a quarter.

Defense forces punt = Saints turn it back over = defense is tired, gives up big play = points scored against.

When you pass 3 out of the first 4 downs, and those passes are either not caught, or overthrown, or batted down, whatever's going on; you end up punting very quickly.

When you use Deuce at least 2 - 3 times of those 4 downs, you get at least 1 positive yard each carry - with less risk of puttin the rock back in the other team's hands.

EITHER WAY - I'm fired up to see the tenacity and fight in this team. The only one keeping them from winning out the rest of their games are themselves. Think about it. Peace.

frankeefrank

i agree.
It's not as simple as JUST giving Deuce the ball more.
But, If you mixed it up better... Like using Reggie and Deuce in the same packages that would help. I only counted the Duo together once in the TB game.
Plus, Anyone else notice how close the Saints line up offensively to run?
I think the team needs to space things out more when they run. No more 3 WR's stacked just out side the tackle.
None of that 2 WR's on the outside of each side of the tackles.
SPACE

mighty12

Well let's see...........Had Deuce not fumbled while we are driving down the field, and the Saints manage to score a touchdown. The momentum swings, The crowd is quieted and we have a lead. Who knows what happens then. THAT IS OUR PROBLEM!!!!!! No one is mentioning how the turnovers are STILL killing us. We give them up and can't get them back. We picked up two new DBs to alleviate that particular matter, and what has it gotten us ONE meesley turnover, which was returned for a touchdown! LET'S GET SOME TURNOVERS and maybe this team can Turn OVER this season for the better.

darstep

Because the D sucks, we have to keep them off of the field as much as possible...and keep the slow-pokes as fresh as possible - running Duece led by Karney. We have been giving up on the run toooo soon. Turnovers can be managed and controlled, lack of talent on the other side of the ball can't. We should do what we CAN do well, run the ball until teams stop our 4-5 yards per carry average. They would have to stack the box to do that and everything else will open up.

BIGEASY504

Bottom line is as long as the coach perfer to use Reggie as a feature back or forcing him to the RB (which at this time he's not built for the pounding)- the O will NOT be in sync at all and we'll be in for a long season

darstep

I agree BIGEASY. I love Reggie...but you can't dance off tackle. He is great in the open field, where he has been most explosive, and effective, and that is where his skills give us the greatest benefit. Let the big boys do the heavy lifting.

Euphoria

Do you guys know how to read... the problem is the Defense. You can't run deuce when you are down 17-21 points going into the 4th quarter.

FrenzyFan

Why, yes, I am certain we all know how to read and have been doing so for most of our lives. Thank you for asking.

I disagree with your opinion, however. The defense has not underperformed to the same level as the offense has underperformed. The comparison between the two ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME GALAXY. Everyone knows our defense is not good, it's a scheme defense that depends upon the offense's play. Fix the offense, our REAL problem and not a convenient goat to blame it on, and the defense will be fine.

ScottyRo

The point isn't what should we be doing when we're down by 21 in the fourth it is why are we getting down so quickly. The answer is two-fold:

1. This defense may be worse than last year in every phase save the D-Line. I think the LB's are OK except for that big whole in the middle named Simoneau. I'm sorry, but he is out of position too often and when he's there to make a tackle he gets dragged 3 or 4 yards unless he has help. The DB's have not jelled. You can forget the Indy game cuz Peyton can torch even the best DB's. They were a little better against TB, but not much. Forget turnovers. I'd just like to see a few passes defensed each game right now.

Even still they are getting no help from the offense...

2. They seem to be running the ball OK. Passing has been horrible. Drew seems a bit off, but I think that is attributable more to the O-line looking more like I thought they'd look last year than a unit that has played together for a year already.

Nevertheless, I think the biggest problem has been our formations. Last year, 70 to 80% of the plays involved Reggie or someone else in motion behind the line of scrimmage many times as a decoy to Deuce's runs, but also to work on match ups. They don't seem to do that much this year and I think that is making them easier to stop. The opposing defense seems to have a better idea of where the ball is going and has plenty of people there.

My suggestion is to scrap this year's playbook and return to what was working last year. There has been a philosophy change that is killing us on offense.