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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; So now we're faced with finishing out a horrendous season, in what should have been a possible first ever run to the Super Bowl. Why? I know that bashing the O-line, play calling, and Jason David are the targets du ...

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Old 11-19-2007, 09:27 PM   #1
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Unhappy The Elephant in the Living Room?

So now we're faced with finishing out a horrendous season, in what should have been a possible first ever run to the Super Bowl.

Why?

I know that bashing the O-line, play calling, and Jason David are the targets du jour, but why doesn't anyone mention the elephant sitting in the middle of the living room:

The Jekyll/ Hyde performances of one, Drew Brees?
Bottome Line: When the Brees blows fair, we look like champions. But when we're losing. Brees just blows...

Seems to me with all of the many glaring deficiencies exposed on this team this season, with the exception of a few threads touching on the subject, we haven't really taken a close look at our Golden Boy. The success of this team has largely ridden on the arm of #9 since his arrival in NOLA, but for reasons unknown, he has fallen far short of the mark and has been unable to recapture the 'lightning-in-a-bottle' of 2006, but here's some interesting numbers:

Drew's stats after 10 games- 3 fumbles lost/ 14 interceptions for a worst in the NFL -10 turnover ratio. In our 4 games won: 1 INT. Anyone else sensing the pattern?

Simply put, you can't win games if you don't score points. You lose chances to score if you turn the ball over. That part of the equation isn't Rocket Science!

A wise man once said, "Poo-poo smells just as bad as s#!%. One just SOUNDS cuter!"
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:33 PM   #2
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Re: The Elephant in the Living Room?

Lets see O-line, WR TE dropping passes or tipping them. Sorry but its not DREW. Its a team game.

Like the goalies say in that sport called HOCKEY. It take FIVE Guys to make a mistake before I get to make my one. There it sit on the score board all game.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:40 PM   #3
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Lets see O-line, WR TE dropping passes or tipping them. Sorry but its not DREW. Its a team game.

Like the goalies say in that sport called HOCKEY. It take FIVE Guys to make a mistake before I get to make my one. There it sit on the score board all game.
I know you're a Brees groupie QBREES9, but if the QB doesn't protect the ball and coughs up 17 TO's, we lose. True, the receiving is all thumbs, and the line couldn't stop a drain with a plug, but the glory (or the goat) should rest on the shoulders of #9.
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:54 PM   #4
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Re: The Elephant in the Living Room?

I know you're a Brees groupie QBREES9, but if the QB doesn't protect the ball and coughs up 17 TO's, we lose. True, the receiving is all thumbs, and the line couldn't stop a drain with a plug, but the glory (or the goat) should rest on the shoulders of #9.
The bold print says it all. Brees is a good quarterback. Not perfect but very good. I wouldn't replace him with many qb's out there. You want AB back? Martin? Palko? Shoot, how about starters on many other teams? No, Brees is not at all the player to replace. Linebackers, corners, receivers, runningbacks, linemen, kicker... I'd worry about these positions before even thinking about replacing Brees.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:08 PM   #5
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Re: The Elephant in the Living Room?

And how many qb's in the NFL would you take as a replacement? How many qb's would you take and say this team would be 6-4 or 7-3 right now?
Brees is a top 5 qb. I think that is where he is ranked for yardage at least before this game. He is throwing at 65% or better. Both the int this weekend hit the TE in the hands there is no * involved when a pass hits a wr gets tipped and then intercepted. It does seem he has had a couple more of those I seem to remember another involving Henderson. I even remember reading a post that it was Brees fault Henderson didnt catch it because it was thrown to softly. Can you actually believe something like that as you are typing it.
I think everyone on the team has faith in Brees and thinks he is the right guy in the right place. All he can do is continue to make plays, run whatever sandlot play Payton calls, and hope when he throws the ball it doesnt bounce off the wr hands into the defense.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:52 PM   #6
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Re: The Elephant in the Living Room?

I agree to point with this thread, somebody brought up AB, but Aaron Brooks never had a span of 1 TD and 10 INT's like Brees, if he did he would have been run out of town. But I do love Drew's leadership abilities, but this thread hit it right on the money, Brees has been very inconsistent this year, like against the Rams, those INT's were inexcusable, but yet we mention nothing. In the game against the Texans he was so predictable it was ridiculous, if he wasn't throwing to Colston, it was Bush, 21 of Brees 33 completions went to Colston or Bush with 12 going to the other receivers (TE Billy Miller catching 3), he threw to Patten twice for 29 yards and Henderson and Copper once a piece for a combined 11 yards and 1 TD, a six yarder to Henderson. Although the two INT's was not his fault, but his decision making in this game left a lot to be desired. The Saints have put their future in Drew Brees and I wish and prey that he's just having a so-so year, and he will rebound, because if not, we are in major, major trouble.

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Old 11-20-2007, 07:58 AM   #7
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Re: The Elephant in the Living Room?

Let's see. Our QB appears to be streaky. VERY hot and then VERY cold. His TD to INT ratio is off the charts -- in the wrong direction. He's fumbling the ball and throws backwards passes. He appears to be locking on to one WR -- he's making some very bad decisions with the football.

Looks like we have some selective bashing going on eh?
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:36 AM   #8
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Let's see. Our QB appears to be streaky. VERY hot and then VERY cold. His TD to INT ratio is off the charts -- in the wrong direction. He's fumbling the ball and throws backwards passes. He appears to be locking on to one WR -- he's making some very bad decisions with the football...
That's a wake up call. Everything you just said is true. This year Brees=Brooks?!
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:43 AM   #9
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Re: The Elephant in the Living Room?

I will agreee that the fumbles are on him for the most part, but I think if you go back and look,which I have by the way, I have all the games tvoed, most of them were tipped balls. Can't blame him for those. Can you?
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:45 AM   #10
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Re: The Elephant in the Living Room?

Are we missing the real elephant in the room?? No real running game!!

When you can't rush the ball between the tackles it allows the D-line to pin it's ears back and rush the passer. I know that Peyton has tried to substitute the short pass in lieu of a running attack, but to make that effective you still have to have something that resembles a running attack between the tackles otherwise the Linebackers can shadow the back without being worried about the middle of the field.

The real elephant is Reggie's inability to run in the middle of the field or the loss of Duece or lack of using Duece when we had him.

Until we can make defenses stay honest in the middle of the field we should expect more of the same.
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