The Phantom Fumble

mjf150 · 11-20-2007, 08:52 AM

If you watch the replay, that was without a doubt, not a fumble. At one point during the replay, it clearly show Reggie Bush on the ground with the ball. Even if he did bobble or lose control of it, he still had it when he was on the ground. It was after that, that the Texans wrestled the ball away.

Did anyone else notice that on replay?

papz · 11-20-2007, 09:24 AM

Definitely Pontiac's game changing moment.

JOESAM2002 · 11-20-2007, 09:42 AM

Yep! I noticed it too.

mjf150 · 11-20-2007, 01:09 PM

Glad someone else saw it too. I knew they probably would not overturn the ruling, but when I saw it on the replay that Bush was laying near the goal line with the ball while he was down; I thought that it might be enough evidence that he had possession of the ball while on the ground, regardless of whether or not he had bobbled it. Hence, he had recovered his own fumble.
Ultimately, I believe that this was payback for the Houston fumble, which was also an "iffy" call.

FatiusJeebs · 11-20-2007, 01:27 PM

It was bullcrap....plain and simple.

mjf150 · 11-20-2007, 01:34 PM

I agree. Sequence of events:
1. Bush has the ball.
2. He runs forward, disappearing into the pile.
3. He is then shown on the ground with the ball.

WhoDat205 · 11-20-2007, 02:10 PM

It seems to me that there needs to be a precedence in those calls. Something akin to "a tie goes to the runner" in baseball. When I watched that play it was obvious that the refs had no F'n clue what happened.

This is something that happens a lot. Refs have no idea what happened on a play so they just "flip a coin" mentally and roll with it. Same thing happened last night with the VY touchdown. The ref that was standing right at the pylon had no clue.

JOESAM2002 · 11-20-2007, 02:35 PM

In the pile Reggie was in, I rreally don't think there's anyway a ref could have made the judgment that was made. But in the replay, you have to have definite proof that the ref was wrong. There was no way they were going to go back and change that call, no matter if it were right or wrong.

lynwood · 11-20-2007, 06:35 PM

The Fix is In.....Just Kidding Ilike saying that

QBREES9 · 11-20-2007, 08:46 PM

I saw that too. I went crazy. I believe it cost the SAINTS the game.

11-20-2007, 08:52 AM	#1
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 716	The Phantom Fumble If you watch the replay, that was without a doubt, not a fumble. At one point during the replay, it clearly show Reggie Bush on the ground with the ball. Even if he did bobble or lose control of it, he still had it when he was on the ground. It was after that, that the Texans wrestled the ball away. Did anyone else notice that on replay?
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 716

11-20-2007, 09:24 AM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	Re: The Phantom Fumble Definitely Pontiac's game changing moment.

11-20-2007, 09:42 AM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: The Phantom Fumble Yep! I noticed it too.

11-20-2007, 01:09 PM	#4
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 716	Re: The Phantom Fumble Glad someone else saw it too. I knew they probably would not overturn the ruling, but when I saw it on the replay that Bush was laying near the goal line with the ball while he was down; I thought that it might be enough evidence that he had possession of the ball while on the ground, regardless of whether or not he had bobbled it. Hence, he had recovered his own fumble. Ultimately, I believe that this was payback for the Houston fumble, which was also an "iffy" call.
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11-20-2007, 01:27 PM	#5
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Re: The Phantom Fumble It was bullcrap....plain and simple.
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11-20-2007, 01:34 PM	#6
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 716	Re: The Phantom Fumble I agree. Sequence of events: 1. Bush has the ball. 2. He runs forward, disappearing into the pile. 3. He is then shown on the ground with the ball.
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11-20-2007, 02:10 PM	#7
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: The Phantom Fumble It seems to me that there needs to be a precedence in those calls. Something akin to "a tie goes to the runner" in baseball. When I watched that play it was obvious that the refs had no F'n clue what happened. This is something that happens a lot. Refs have no idea what happened on a play so they just "flip a coin" mentally and roll with it. Same thing happened last night with the VY touchdown. The ref that was standing right at the pylon had no clue.

11-20-2007, 02:35 PM	#8
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: The Phantom Fumble In the pile Reggie was in, I rreally don't think there's anyway a ref could have made the judgment that was made. But in the replay, you have to have definite proof that the ref was wrong. There was no way they were going to go back and change that call, no matter if it were right or wrong.

11-20-2007, 06:35 PM	#9
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: The Phantom Fumble The Fix is In.....Just Kidding Ilike saying that

11-20-2007, 08:46 PM	#10
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: The Phantom Fumble I saw that too. I went crazy. I believe it cost the SAINTS the game.