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Old 11-26-2007, 06:24 PM   #21
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Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb

Oh joy, joy, joy. We're back to Faine bashing. I thought we were through with that weeks ago but I see we're not. Is there anything I can do to plead enough to not have to hear that on a daily basis? Please,please,please don't go back into that again.
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:55 PM   #22
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Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb

LOL that dog is dead. he has been run over way to many time here. they are mistaken involuntary muscle twitches for signs of life I guess.
You can not beat anyone up for yesterdays game. they were pretty much solid throughout. major reduction in mental errors.
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:19 PM   #23
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So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said.

Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option.

Ooops I did it again.

If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins.
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OK, well I think I should explain what I was saying. Faine is horrible and is a well below average center. He does not always miss assignments, but when he does pick them up he gets smacked around. He does actually block sometimes, and every once in awhile does a decent job.

However, I am sorry, but I doubt there are more than two other teams in the league that Faine would start for. I do not think he is a waste of a jersey, he is better than I am at playing center, but he is a waste of a STARTING JERSEY. A starter should not allow his guards to do all the work, miss blocking players that he outweighs by 50 pounds or more by flat out missing them or falling down or allowing himself to be driven into the ball carrier. He hasn't done these things just once or twice this year. He does all of them once or twice a game.

While Albert Haynesworth is a great DT, as a STARTER in the NFL you should not get beaten by your man EVERY time like he did. Not only did Haynesworth beat him every time, but so did Brown and Starks. I just finished watching this game for a third time, FAINE would have been better served sticking a chair in his place and standing on the sideline in this game.

Not sure if this helps, I am not trying to jump in the middle of whatever you two have, but I think that Euphoria gets a bad rap sometimes. Euphoria will allow himself(like me) to see the bad in a team he loves, and hopes during the offseason that they address some of these shortcomings. Some fans see a win and say yep, we are gonna smack the Bucs around. Nope, if Garcia is in we will not smack them around, we can definately win and I think we will, but who knows which Saints team shows up.
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:26 PM   #24
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Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 View Post
Oh joy, joy, joy. We're back to Faine bashing. I thought we were through with that weeks ago but I see we're not. Is there anything I can do to plead enough to not have to hear that on a daily basis? Please,please,please don't go back into that again.
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Faine bashing? Well I think it is more like pointing out the obvious. If you are looking for why the Saints are so inconsistent it can be found in the offensive line. When they play well then Drew plays well and then the D isn't on the field and we have a great shot to win.

If you go through and watch the games, whether or not the Saints won, watch Faine. Watch him hide behind his guards, or how his guards are always pushing to his side to help out, or him missing blocks, or falling down constantly, or getting pushed into the ball carrier by some one or tentativeness in blocking a DB or LB down field.

If you really sit down and watch you will see Faine is not deserving of starting for but maybe two or so teams in this league, he is a back-up and Goodwin never made nearly as many bad plays as Faine.
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:32 PM   #25
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Thanks WHODAT.

Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting.

I think people want to force there opinion on you and if your opinion isn't there and they have nothing to back theres up they want to call you negative and other names. They fail to see the positive stuff I point out on the negative... hmmm, is that the pot calling the kettle black.

by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS.

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Old 11-26-2007, 09:35 PM   #26
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Thanks WHODAT.

Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting.

by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS.
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:48 PM   #28
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You just became my new best friend.
My life is now complete. LOL

My problem with some fans is that it is truly short for fanatic.

"a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics or sports."

While I want the Saints to win and will pull for them always, I am not blinded by playing a bad team. Bad teams are bad and you are supposed to beat Carolina. We should have beaten them the first time, however we are completely inconsistent!!!!!

I hope we become more consistent, and while I will point this out time and again some will choose to ignore all of it. Maybe even the coaches and if we do not upgrade at Center, possibly guard and tackle. However our tackles have been playing very well as of late, Nesbit and Evans have done well too.

I believe that Peyton is not just calling passes because he is silly as doesn't want to run, I believe our line is not set-up very well for run blocking and are much more suited to pass blocking. When your line is inconsistent you have to do what they do best, and pass blocking is what our line does best. Run blocking can be OK when you have Reggie the decoy and pass catcher along with Deuce who makes your line look better than they are.

After reviewing game tape after game tape I see our guys in the trenches perform much more consistently in the passing game rather than the running game. We are not horrible at run blocking but we are better as pass blocking, expect to continue to see more passing, the short passing game will stay our running game as without Deuce our O line looks poor in run blocking without a great patient runner.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:14 PM   #29
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Well with all the attention given here about Faine, I took the effort to watch him almost the complete game sunday. I did see him make some very good plays and he did miss some too. In the words of another poster on this site, you play your best player at that position. Well this must be true because he's still playing. No, maybe he's not playing at an all-pro level but there are worse centers out there. Besides, if you ever played center,which I have and hated every minute of it, it's the worse position on the field. You are double teamed almost every play. It sux to be a center.

Any way, I have a great idea, let's agree to disagree and leave this subject alone unless it's constructive criticism. I know this will never happen but it's worth a try. I know there are members that are tired of hearing how terrible Faine and David are. OK so they are terrible, they're the best we have I guess.

And by the way, this was supposed to be a thread about Stinchcomb, well I have to say he played a very good game against Julius Peppers Sunday. I'm still trying to find out who Julius Peterson is. Any help would be appreciated.

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!!

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Old 11-27-2007, 12:04 AM   #30
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It should be noted that no team has passed as many times as the Saints and we have given up only 8 sacks thru 11 games. 8 sacks I'm sure Brees is happy with the play of Faine. I would think Brees or the offensive line coach would have some serious problems putting Faine back in as a starter if he blew every blocking assignment and tackled our rb every play. I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman?
Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten."
I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded.
With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year.
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