Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams

QBREES9 · 01-13-2008, 03:42 PM

Per Rotoworld:

Roy Williams-WR-Lions Jan. 13 - 12:16 pm et

MLive.com's Tom Kowalski believes the Lions will dangle Roy Williams in trade talks leading up to April's NFL Draft.
Williams will enter a contract year in 2008 and Kowalski expects him to leave in 2009 if the Lions can't execute a trade. If Williams is dealt, Calvin Johnson would take over as Detroit's "No. 1" receiver. Williams, the No. 7 overall pick in 2004, should at least command a second-round pick as compensation.
Source: MLive.com
Related: Calvin Johnson

Would you trade are second round pick for him ???

papz · 01-13-2008, 04:30 PM

In a heart beat. Just imagine Colston and Williams paired up in our offense... sick.

MatthewT · 01-13-2008, 07:29 PM

I would not want the Saints to trade their 2nd pick for him. Too many needs on defense. The only way I would reconsider is if the Saints could redo his contract first, mainly to extend it for a couple years. Yes, he would be a nice addition.

hagan714 · 01-13-2008, 08:07 PM

Thats a lot of money at WR. He and Colston is a FA in 2009. sounds like we would get in the same jam as the lions did with so many first round picks at WR.
What the heck put the defense rebuilding project on hold for another year.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-13-2008, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Per Rotoworld:

Roy Williams-WR-Lions Jan. 13 - 12:16 pm et

MLive.com's Tom Kowalski believes the Lions will dangle Roy Williams in trade talks leading up to April's NFL Draft.
Williams will enter a contract year in 2008 and Kowalski expects him to leave in 2009 if the Lions can't execute a trade. If Williams is dealt, Calvin Johnson would take over as Detroit's "No. 1" receiver. Williams, the No. 7 overall pick in 2004, should at least command a second-round pick as compensation.
Source: MLive.com
Related: Calvin Johnson

Would you trade are second round pick for him ???

Not unless he suddenly turns into a CB or a MLB. Can he play defensive tackle as well as Haynesworth?

I am truly confused as to why there is any discussion around here about anything other than top flight defensive free agents and defensive coaches

Maybe, just maybe a discussion of a stud OT may be woth having. But I really think we need another offensive skill guy as much as I need another hole in my already holey head.

For receivers the formula is simple: try to resign your own free agents for a reasonable price and get Meachem ready to play. Drew Brees has proved nothing over the last two years more than the fact that if you have the same colored jersey that he does that you will get the ball.

Giving away a 2nd round pick for any offensive skill player is a crime against this team. Each and every free agent move and draft move until about the 4th round needs to be on the defensive side of the ball. Period.

Our production on offense is totally out of whack with our defensive production. So our offseason needs to be unbalanced in the opposite direction.

SFIAH

papz · 01-14-2008, 07:23 AM

I still remember prior to the season suggesting we go get Randy Moss and everyone was against it. Looking back it was dumb not to get him as Colston was our only reliable target. There is a need at receiver period. Should we not address that problem somehow this offseason... it would be a crime against our offense not addressing that weakness.

I bet this board would be a riot if we took a receiver with one of our first day picks. You know at the end of the game, the team with the most points win.

hagan714 · 01-14-2008, 08:29 AM

I am with you paz. if WR is the BPA then so be it

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-14-2008, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I still remember prior to the season suggesting we go get Randy Moss and everyone was against it. Looking back it was dumb not to get him as Colston was our only reliable target. There is a need at receiver period. Should we not address that problem somehow this offseason... it would be a crime against our offense not addressing that weakness.

The Saints do not yet have the reputation required to secure free agents such as Moss. Moss took a pay cut to go to the Pats so that he could win his elusive championship. So I think that point is moot.

The Saints passing offense was in the top three in passing yards, completion percentage, and attempts. Unfortunately they were also #2 in on target drops.

If the passing offense were 26th in the league and the defense were #3, maybe we could have a different conversation. But as it stands, very little needs to be done to the receiving corps or to the offense in general.

I bet this board would be a riot if we took a receiver with one of our first day picks.

I'd be totally ticked off even if the receiver were all world. The defense sucks. It needs to be improved at all costs.

You know at the end of the game, the team with the most points win.

Absolutely. However when you defense cannot stop the explosive play (of which the Saints were #1 in the league), cannot get off the field on third down (ditto), and make insurance salesmen and rookies look like Joe Montana (I guess it's Tom Brady now), then guess what? The other team is the one that ends up with the most points.

The Saints are badly unbalanced at this point. They should only do enough work on the offense to keep it stable. I mean we already have a #1 BPA receiver from last year. The guy got a year to get healthy and to learn the system. Next year Meachum should be that solid #2 receiver. And if not, then the other guys certainly did well enough to keep it stable for another year.

But the defense is horrible. Putrid. Abysmal. An embarrassment. And their current state is what generally destabilizes the offense because the offense feels like it must score a TD each and every time they are on the field.

Of the 8 teams that played this weekend, 6 of them were in the top 10 in scoring defense with 3 in the top 5. Only the Giants are out of the top 15. And they have improved their scoring defense by 9 PPG in the playoffs.

You cannot win championships in this league without solid defense, no matter what kind of offense you have. Offensive juggernauts like the 1999 Rams and the 1989 and 1994 49ers each had top 5 scoring defenses the years that they won the championship.

So when it comes to offense this offseason, my answer is absolutely not. No to receivers, no to backs, no to TE, and no to QBs. Stellar linemen are always considered because they improve the foundation of your team.

The Saints need 6 or 7 new defensive starters. More than half of our starting defensive lineup couldn't get a sniff anywhere else in this league. Our #1 corner is going to lose virtually a complete season next year.

We need standout defensive help and we need it badly. So when you've found me 2 new corners, a stud DT to complement big Hollis, 2 new LBs to go with Fujita, a pair of safeties I can trust, and a nickel guy that can prevent the big play downfield, then and only then can you talk to me about a receiver or any other skill position on offense.

SFIAH

papz · 01-14-2008, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The Saints do not yet have the reputation required to secure free agents such as Moss. Moss took a pay cut to go to the Pats so that he could win his elusive championship. So I think that point is moot.

Seeing how we were favorite coming into this season as legitimate Super Bowl contenders... that doesn't make any sense. Prior to the season we had as good as a chance of anyone to make it to the Superbowl.

The Saints passing offense was in the top three in passing yards, completion percentage, and attempts. Unfortunately they were also #2 in on target drops.

In bold.

If the passing offense were 26th in the league and the defense were #3, maybe we could have a different conversation. But as it stands, very little needs to be done to the receiving corps or to the offense in general.

Then you're just fooling yourself. Just because of offense was good, it doesn't mean it can't be better.

I'd be totally ticked off even if the receiver were all world. The defense sucks. It needs to be improved at all costs.

Which is understandable given how atrocious our defense is.

Absolutely. However when you defense cannot stop the explosive play (of which the Saints were #1 in the league), cannot get off the field on third down (ditto), and make insurance salesmen and rookies look like Joe Montana (I guess it's Tom Brady now), then guess what? The other team is the one that ends up with the most points.

I don't disagree at all with what you're saying.

The Saints are badly unbalanced at this point. They should only do enough work on the offense to keep it stable. I mean we already have a #1 BPA receiver from last year. The guy got a year to get healthy and to learn the system. Next year Meachum should be that solid #2 receiver. And if not, then the other guys certainly did well enough to keep it stable for another year.

Should isn't good enough... when the likes of a Roy Williams is on the market and could be had for probably a 2nd rounder, you jump on that. It's going to make our offense that much better and allow our defense to be on the sidelines longer. I hope Meachum can be that guy opposite Colston... but we have no idea what he's capable of. Draft picks are a crap shoot... Roy Williams is not.

But the defense is horrible. Putrid. Abysmal. An embarrassment. And their current state is what generally destabilizes the offense because the offense feels like it must score a TD each and every time they are on the field.

Of the 8 teams that played this weekend, 6 of them were in the top 10 in scoring defense with 3 in the top 5. Only the Giants are out of the top 15. And they have improved their scoring defense by 9 PPG in the playoffs.

You cannot win championships in this league without solid defense, no matter what kind of offense you have. Offensive juggernauts like the 1999 Rams and the 1989 and 1994 49ers each had top 5 scoring defenses the years that they won the championship.

So when it comes to offense this offseason, my answer is absolutely not. No to receivers, no to backs, no to TE, and no to QBs. Stellar linemen are always considered because they improve the foundation of your team.

The Saints need 6 or 7 new defensive starters. More than half of our starting defensive lineup couldn't get a sniff anywhere else in this league. Our #1 corner is going to lose virtually a complete season next year.

We need standout defensive help and we need it badly. So when you've found me 2 new corners, a stud DT to complement big Hollis, 2 new LBs to go with Fujita, a pair of safeties I can trust, and a nickel guy that can prevent the big play downfield, then and only then can you talk to me about a receiver or any other skill position on offense.

SFIAH

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Pretty much agree with all of that except that last part. Getting a solid #2 WR is a big concern from my point of view... whether it's via free agency, trade, or draft pick... it is as big as a concern as every defensive position on this team. What would happen if Colston got injured?

Tobias-Reiper · 01-14-2008, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I bet this board would be a riot if we took a receiver with one of our first day picks. You know at the end of the game, the team with the most points win.

I understand what you are saying, but you can see it 2 ways:
The team with the most points at the end of the game had the most because either their offense scored more points than the other team, or their defense didn't allow the other team to score as much points... a couple defensive stops here and there, and not allowing so many 3rd and long conversions, and this season would've gone very differently.

01-13-2008, 03:42 PM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams Per Rotoworld: Roy Williams-WR-Lions Jan. 13 - 12:16 pm et MLive.com's Tom Kowalski believes the Lions will dangle Roy Williams in trade talks leading up to April's NFL Draft. Williams will enter a contract year in 2008 and Kowalski expects him to leave in 2009 if the Lions can't execute a trade. If Williams is dealt, Calvin Johnson would take over as Detroit's "No. 1" receiver. Williams, the No. 7 overall pick in 2004, should at least command a second-round pick as compensation. Source: MLive.com Related: Calvin Johnson Would you trade are second round pick for him ???
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01-13-2008, 08:07 PM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams Thats a lot of money at WR. He and Colston is a FA in 2009. sounds like we would get in the same jam as the lions did with so many first round picks at WR. What the heck put the defense rebuilding project on hold for another year.

01-13-2008, 09:41 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams Originally Posted by QBREES9 Per Rotoworld: Roy Williams-WR-Lions Jan. 13 - 12:16 pm et MLive.com's Tom Kowalski believes the Lions will dangle Roy Williams in trade talks leading up to April's NFL Draft. Williams will enter a contract year in 2008 and Kowalski expects him to leave in 2009 if the Lions can't execute a trade. If Williams is dealt, Calvin Johnson would take over as Detroit's "No. 1" receiver. Williams, the No. 7 overall pick in 2004, should at least command a second-round pick as compensation. Source: MLive.com Related: Calvin Johnson Would you trade are second round pick for him ??? Not unless he suddenly turns into a CB or a MLB. Can he play defensive tackle as well as Haynesworth? I am truly confused as to why there is any discussion around here about anything other than top flight defensive free agents and defensive coaches Maybe, just maybe a discussion of a stud OT may be woth having. But I really think we need another offensive skill guy as much as I need another hole in my already holey head. For receivers the formula is simple: try to resign your own free agents for a reasonable price and get Meachem ready to play. Drew Brees has proved nothing over the last two years more than the fact that if you have the same colored jersey that he does that you will get the ball. Giving away a 2nd round pick for any offensive skill player is a crime against this team. Each and every free agent move and draft move until about the 4th round needs to be on the defensive side of the ball. Period. Our production on offense is totally out of whack with our defensive production. So our offseason needs to be unbalanced in the opposite direction. SFIAH
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01-14-2008, 07:23 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams I still remember prior to the season suggesting we go get Randy Moss and everyone was against it. Looking back it was dumb not to get him as Colston was our only reliable target. There is a need at receiver period. Should we not address that problem somehow this offseason... it would be a crime against our offense not addressing that weakness. I bet this board would be a riot if we took a receiver with one of our first day picks. You know at the end of the game, the team with the most points win.

01-14-2008, 08:29 AM	#7
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01-13-2008, 04:30 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams In a heart beat. Just imagine Colston and Williams paired up in our offense... sick.

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MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,705	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams I would not want the Saints to trade their 2nd pick for him. Too many needs on defense. The only way I would reconsider is if the Saints could redo his contract first, mainly to extend it for a couple years. Yes, he would be a nice addition.

01-14-2008, 11:12 AM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams Originally Posted by papz I still remember prior to the season suggesting we go get Randy Moss and everyone was against it. Looking back it was dumb not to get him as Colston was our only reliable target. There is a need at receiver period. Should we not address that problem somehow this offseason... it would be a crime against our offense not addressing that weakness. The Saints do not yet have the reputation required to secure free agents such as Moss. Moss took a pay cut to go to the Pats so that he could win his elusive championship. So I think that point is moot. The Saints passing offense was in the top three in passing yards, completion percentage, and attempts. Unfortunately they were also #2 in on target drops. If the passing offense were 26th in the league and the defense were #3, maybe we could have a different conversation. But as it stands, very little needs to be done to the receiving corps or to the offense in general. I bet this board would be a riot if we took a receiver with one of our first day picks. I'd be totally ticked off even if the receiver were all world. The defense sucks. It needs to be improved at all costs. You know at the end of the game, the team with the most points win. Absolutely. However when you defense cannot stop the explosive play (of which the Saints were #1 in the league), cannot get off the field on third down (ditto), and make insurance salesmen and rookies look like Joe Montana (I guess it's Tom Brady now), then guess what? The other team is the one that ends up with the most points. The Saints are badly unbalanced at this point. They should only do enough work on the offense to keep it stable. I mean we already have a #1 BPA receiver from last year. The guy got a year to get healthy and to learn the system. Next year Meachum should be that solid #2 receiver. And if not, then the other guys certainly did well enough to keep it stable for another year. But the defense is horrible. Putrid. Abysmal. An embarrassment. And their current state is what generally destabilizes the offense because the offense feels like it must score a TD each and every time they are on the field. Of the 8 teams that played this weekend, 6 of them were in the top 10 in scoring defense with 3 in the top 5. Only the Giants are out of the top 15. And they have improved their scoring defense by 9 PPG in the playoffs. You cannot win championships in this league without solid defense, no matter what kind of offense you have. Offensive juggernauts like the 1999 Rams and the 1989 and 1994 49ers each had top 5 scoring defenses the years that they won the championship. So when it comes to offense this offseason, my answer is absolutely not. No to receivers, no to backs, no to TE, and no to QBs. Stellar linemen are always considered because they improve the foundation of your team. The Saints need 6 or 7 new defensive starters. More than half of our starting defensive lineup couldn't get a sniff anywhere else in this league. Our #1 corner is going to lose virtually a complete season next year. We need standout defensive help and we need it badly. So when you've found me 2 new corners, a stud DT to complement big Hollis, 2 new LBs to go with Fujita, a pair of safeties I can trust, and a nickel guy that can prevent the big play downfield, then and only then can you talk to me about a receiver or any other skill position on offense. SFIAH
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01-14-2008, 12:04 PM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The Saints do not yet have the reputation required to secure free agents such as Moss. Moss took a pay cut to go to the Pats so that he could win his elusive championship. So I think that point is moot. Seeing how we were favorite coming into this season as legitimate Super Bowl contenders... that doesn't make any sense. Prior to the season we had as good as a chance of anyone to make it to the Superbowl. The Saints passing offense was in the top three in passing yards, completion percentage, and attempts. Unfortunately they were also #2 in on target drops. In bold. If the passing offense were 26th in the league and the defense were #3, maybe we could have a different conversation. But as it stands, very little needs to be done to the receiving corps or to the offense in general. Then you're just fooling yourself. Just because of offense was good, it doesn't mean it can't be better. I'd be totally ticked off even if the receiver were all world. The defense sucks. It needs to be improved at all costs. Which is understandable given how atrocious our defense is. Absolutely. However when you defense cannot stop the explosive play (of which the Saints were #1 in the league), cannot get off the field on third down (ditto), and make insurance salesmen and rookies look like Joe Montana (I guess it's Tom Brady now), then guess what? The other team is the one that ends up with the most points. I don't disagree at all with what you're saying. The Saints are badly unbalanced at this point. They should only do enough work on the offense to keep it stable. I mean we already have a #1 BPA receiver from last year. The guy got a year to get healthy and to learn the system. Next year Meachum should be that solid #2 receiver. And if not, then the other guys certainly did well enough to keep it stable for another year. Should isn't good enough... when the likes of a Roy Williams is on the market and could be had for probably a 2nd rounder, you jump on that. It's going to make our offense that much better and allow our defense to be on the sidelines longer. I hope Meachum can be that guy opposite Colston... but we have no idea what he's capable of. Draft picks are a crap shoot... Roy Williams is not. But the defense is horrible. Putrid. Abysmal. An embarrassment. And their current state is what generally destabilizes the offense because the offense feels like it must score a TD each and every time they are on the field. Of the 8 teams that played this weekend, 6 of them were in the top 10 in scoring defense with 3 in the top 5. Only the Giants are out of the top 15. And they have improved their scoring defense by 9 PPG in the playoffs. You cannot win championships in this league without solid defense, no matter what kind of offense you have. Offensive juggernauts like the 1999 Rams and the 1989 and 1994 49ers each had top 5 scoring defenses the years that they won the championship. So when it comes to offense this offseason, my answer is absolutely not. No to receivers, no to backs, no to TE, and no to QBs. Stellar linemen are always considered because they improve the foundation of your team. The Saints need 6 or 7 new defensive starters. More than half of our starting defensive lineup couldn't get a sniff anywhere else in this league. Our #1 corner is going to lose virtually a complete season next year. We need standout defensive help and we need it badly. So when you've found me 2 new corners, a stud DT to complement big Hollis, 2 new LBs to go with Fujita, a pair of safeties I can trust, and a nickel guy that can prevent the big play downfield, then and only then can you talk to me about a receiver or any other skill position on offense. SFIAH [/quote] Pretty much agree with all of that except that last part. Getting a solid #2 WR is a big concern from my point of view... whether it's via free agency, trade, or draft pick... it is as big as a concern as every defensive position on this team. What would happen if Colston got injured?
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01-14-2008, 12:35 PM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Per Rotoworld/ Roy Williams Originally Posted by papz I bet this board would be a riot if we took a receiver with one of our first day picks. You know at the end of the game, the team with the most points win. I understand what you are saying, but you can see it 2 ways: The team with the most points at the end of the game had the most because either their offense scored more points than the other team, or their defense didn't allow the other team to score as much points... a couple defensive stops here and there, and not allowing so many 3rd and long conversions, and this season would've gone very differently.