Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season???

Cancer Beater · 01-16-2008, 09:26 PM

I'd sign
Asante Samuel
Alan Faneca
Dallas Clark

I'd draft
1st: Kenny Phillips
2nd: Chevis Jackson or Erin Henderson
3rd: Best available LB
4th: Best available CB
5th: Best available DT
6th: Matt Flynn

Tobias-Reiper · 01-16-2008, 10:22 PM

First thing, bring charges against Jason "3rd Down" David for impersonating an NFL CB... then cut his lil' behind

... then re-work Colston's contract

No to Samuel: yes to Asomugha if he isn't tagged

Yes to Faneca

Clark is not leaving Indy.

Draft.... I like Phillips, but would have a hard time picking between him and Talib...

Cancer Beater · 01-16-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Clark is not leaving Indy.

.

I don't know how Indy can afford him.

They gave Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeny, and Bob Sanders HUGE deals.
How can they pay Dallas Clark too????

MatthewT · 01-16-2008, 11:40 PM

Very good question... There are lots of areas to address. The thing I would put at the priority list is getting Gary Gibbs the players he needs to get him back into coaching his 3-4 defensive scheme. I would put my main focus on that first. To make this happen, it's going to be a handful of so called second tier guys in free agency. There is really no such thing as prime free agents anymore, thanks to teams finally learning how to manage the salary cap.

The second move is getting more help through the draft. Kenny Phillips should be a very nice start. More than that, the focus should be on what players can make a difference on defense. This upcoming draft should absolutely have no offensive players involved. Should be seven picks, all defense. More specifically, players who could excel in the 3-4 scheme.

On offense, basically the core is still together and that should be fine. A backup QB is needed, I would go the veteran route. Maybe a guy like McCown from Oakland could be it. Resigning Martin would not be the worse idea in the world, although I think an upgrade is needed. As for WR it's time to get Colston signed to an extended contract, and let Meachum hit the field. As a GM I will probably let Henderson and Copper walk, unless they are talking moderate contract terms.

As for a kicker, no need to worry. As a GM I would be OK with Gramatica and Mare battling it out, and maybe bring in a free agent who wasn't drafted. Let the best man win.

One last spot to think about is the RB position. As a GM I am totally happy right now with Bush, Thomas, and Karney. What I would do a little different is bring in another fullback. I would like to see 2 FB and 3 RB. Karney could be lethal as a spot duty RB with another FB leading the way. There should be a lot of interest in bringing in Michael Turner and as a GM I am going to try my best to get him in a Saints uniform. As far as Deuce goes, I am pulling for him and hope he makes the team, but as a GM I am not counting on it.

SoulStar · 01-17-2008, 12:25 AM

Ask Payton what he needs to bring a superbowl championship to Nawlins

Then pretty much what Matthew T said, its like you read my mind there man.

hagan714 · 01-17-2008, 05:31 AM

FA:
1) A Captain for the Defense. LB,S whatever. Just a drew type of leader.
2) YOUTH for CB and DT, You can live with the growing pains here. It can not get any worse than the past two years. But at least you have a start for once. Mid level FA are fine. it is a start
3) WR for the #2/#3 position. long term goal of playing #3 because meachem will produce by the third year and be the #2 we drafted him to be.
4) Sign Colston and Smith to long term deals and get it out of the way for next year.
Draft:
Wheel and deal like 2 years ago moving up and down the draft board in each round aquiring picks and/or players. well more down than up, please. We are not young enough or deep enough to make too many moves up the board. The OL is the only postion we are deep enough to do that with, but there are too many questions yet unanswered about the least two years of draft picks to do anything. If there is a starter in the wings, at Tackle, our best trade bait is Stinch. He is in his last year of his contract. Other than that we do not have much. any other position would hurt the team. But do not be affraid to make a move because of it. Be smart though.
So go with the BPA for each and every round. Get as many picks as possible. Please try at least to get yourself into position so the defense has a chance to be that BPA. We can afford to reach once in a while. Just do not go nuts.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-17-2008, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by SoulStar

Ask Payton what he needs to bring a superbowl championship to Nawlins

I'm still not so sure about that. Payton at times still exhibits symptoms of "Offenseitis": the mistaken belief that offense wins championships.

So if I were GM I'd build a solid defense, make sure that we had the personnel to run the football, then go ask Coach what else he needs.

So then I agree that...

Then pretty much what Matthew T said, its like you read my mind there man.

MatthewT has the priorities right. The Saints are going nowhere fast until the defense becomes dependable.

SFIAH

SapperSaint · 01-17-2008, 08:00 AM

Good Points SHIAH. You too Hagan.

I really think Payton also depends too much on small schools. Yes, you can find "A diamond in the ruff", but jeez, at least in the late rounds pick an SEC guy.

Cancer Beater · 01-17-2008, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

Good Points SHIAH. You too Hagan.

I really think Payton also depends too much on small schools. Yes, you can find "A diamond in the ruff", but jeez, at least in the late rounds pick an SEC guy.

It was a curse for us to have found Colston and Evans in their schools.
Now, we will over-look SEC schools for more "Diamonds" in these small schools.

papz · 01-17-2008, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater

I don't know how Indy can afford him.

They gave Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeny, and Bob Sanders HUGE deals.
How can they pay Dallas Clark too????

Indy has already stated that if they can't come to an agreement on a contract for Dallas Clark, they're going to franchise him. He's not going anywhere.

I posted this on earlier this offseason... but this is what I'd like for us to do.

I'm just going to put a list of guys who I think we actually have a chance at. Albert Haynesworth and Nnamadi Asomugha are more than likely to be franchised. It would be nice if we could have either but that's just not going to happen.

For the backup quarterback position, I would like us to sign Josh McCown to backup Brees. He has a big arm and capable of being a starter in this league. Should Brees ever go down, heaven forbid, I'd feel more comfortable with McCown than Martin.

At running back, should we decide to not retain Deuce, these are guys would I would look at... Chris Brown, TJ Duckett, LaBrandon Toefield, Ron Dayne, and Aaron Stecker. If we aren't going to commit to letting Bush run full time back there, we need a grinder and these guys fit the bill. I was going to mention Julius Jones, but he wants to be a full time starter and that's not happening here.

At receiver my main target was Crayton... but it looks like he's about to sign an extension with Dallas. Moving forward my next target would be Bryant Johnson... good size, speed, route running, and his hands aren't bad. He surely won't break bank either. I think he could surprise here in New Orleans. Other names are Andre Davis, DJ Hackett, Jabar Gaffney, and David Patten. There are some quality guys on the market that are all affordable.

At tight end re-sign Billy Miller and also consider Ben Utecht of the Colts. He's also been solid there when his number was called. I'd like to see what he could do in an expanded role.

At OL, the only two options that I want and realistically can get are two Steelers... Faneca and Max Starks. Bring Starks in to push Stinchcomb and Faneca could instantly be put in Nesbit's position. We would have to maulers at guard which should help Bush not becoming so hesitant to hit those holes. At center re-sign both Faine and Goodwin and let them battle it out. I'm confident Faine is just having a off year and he'll rebound next season. We have yielded the least amount of sacks this year. People here tend to think highly of Goodwin, though only two games, so re-sign him also. May the best player win.

I'm not impressed with the free agent linebackers. I think Briggs is a bit overrated and being in Chicago's system definitely plays a big part in his success. I wouldn't break bank for the guy... I'm interested in finding players that can get to the quarterback and ones that have a nose for the ball. Though a restricted free agent, Michael Boley is my number one choice. Actually Dansby would be but Arizona will not let him leave... no way no how.

At corner, Marcus Trufant... the guy we most Saints fans thought we were going to draft years ago. Here's our chance... we have the cap room to steal him away from the Seahawks. He would make a great option opposite Mike. As much as I do like Asante, I really do, he's going to command too much money. I've said this before that I think being in New England's scheme and playing outdoors in that environment helps him also. If we make a run for him great, I'd love to have him... but I probably would target Trufant first. This year my Rod Hood is Drayton Florence.

At safety, if the organization feels we need to make a move here, my pick is Gibril Wilson. He would make a great starting safety for any team in this league. I still have faith in both Bullock and Harper, but I can understand if the team's patience in them is wearing down.

At DT/DE, if we don't extend Will Smith, the obvious choice to replace him is Jared Allen. As much as I'm a Charles Grant fan, I kind of wish now we didn't re-sign him. Having Allen opposite Smith would give us that much needed pass rush. Oh well... hopefully Charles loses some weight and become a force again. Some DT's to consider are Damione Lewis and Randy Starks. Former first round bust Lewis has resurrected his career in Carolina and I think he would be a solid signing. Starks is having a down year but he's a solid tackle... and still very young. We need to get younger, stronger, and faster... these two guys fit the bill.

As far as the draft is concerned, BPA is all I have to say. Whether it's a corner, WR, LB, DT, OL, whatever... take whoever is rated highest on our board. As far as specific players I would like to have, Quentin Groves is a favorite of mines. Dan Connor is as solid as they come and some already know how much I like this guy... been on him since the beginning of last year. Cason/Jenkins are two guys at corner I'm sure we all would love to have. Not really enamored with any DT's as of yet, Glen Dorsey is out of our reach, but I'll have a better feel for them as workouts come.

That was 2 or 3 weeks ago and there are some players I'd like to add. Talib CB from Kansas, Corey Williams DT from Green Bay, Sedrick Ellis if he's there at 10, Pat Sim and Dre Moore if we pass on Ellis in the first with our second pick.

We really need to address getting a pass rushing specialist this offseason. We cannot continue to rush 4 guys with Smith only being the effective one. Get an edge speed rusher and move Grant inside on third downs. As I said up there, I think Groves can be that guy.

One more thing if we take a kicker in the draft, that guys needs to be Brandon Coutu. This kid has one hell of a leg. 60 yarders for this kid would be a cake walk.

01-16-2008, 09:26 PM	#1
Cancer Beater 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 154	Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? I'd sign Asante Samuel Alan Faneca Dallas Clark I'd draft 1st: Kenny Phillips 2nd: Chevis Jackson or Erin Henderson 3rd: Best available LB 4th: Best available CB 5th: Best available DT 6th: Matt Flynn
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01-16-2008, 10:27 PM	#3
Cancer Beater 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 154	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Clark is not leaving Indy. . I don't know how Indy can afford him. They gave Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeny, and Bob Sanders HUGE deals. How can they pay Dallas Clark too????
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01-16-2008, 11:40 PM	#4
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,705	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? Very good question... There are lots of areas to address. The thing I would put at the priority list is getting Gary Gibbs the players he needs to get him back into coaching his 3-4 defensive scheme. I would put my main focus on that first. To make this happen, it's going to be a handful of so called second tier guys in free agency. There is really no such thing as prime free agents anymore, thanks to teams finally learning how to manage the salary cap. The second move is getting more help through the draft. Kenny Phillips should be a very nice start. More than that, the focus should be on what players can make a difference on defense. This upcoming draft should absolutely have no offensive players involved. Should be seven picks, all defense. More specifically, players who could excel in the 3-4 scheme. On offense, basically the core is still together and that should be fine. A backup QB is needed, I would go the veteran route. Maybe a guy like McCown from Oakland could be it. Resigning Martin would not be the worse idea in the world, although I think an upgrade is needed. As for WR it's time to get Colston signed to an extended contract, and let Meachum hit the field. As a GM I will probably let Henderson and Copper walk, unless they are talking moderate contract terms. As for a kicker, no need to worry. As a GM I would be OK with Gramatica and Mare battling it out, and maybe bring in a free agent who wasn't drafted. Let the best man win. One last spot to think about is the RB position. As a GM I am totally happy right now with Bush, Thomas, and Karney. What I would do a little different is bring in another fullback. I would like to see 2 FB and 3 RB. Karney could be lethal as a spot duty RB with another FB leading the way. There should be a lot of interest in bringing in Michael Turner and as a GM I am going to try my best to get him in a Saints uniform. As far as Deuce goes, I am pulling for him and hope he makes the team, but as a GM I am not counting on it.

01-17-2008, 12:25 AM	#5
SoulStar 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arlington Tx Posts: 157	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? Ask Payton what he needs to bring a superbowl championship to Nawlins Then pretty much what Matthew T said, its like you read my mind there man.

01-17-2008, 05:31 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? FA: 1) A Captain for the Defense. LB,S whatever. Just a drew type of leader. 2) YOUTH for CB and DT, You can live with the growing pains here. It can not get any worse than the past two years. But at least you have a start for once. Mid level FA are fine. it is a start 3) WR for the #2/#3 position. long term goal of playing #3 because meachem will produce by the third year and be the #2 we drafted him to be. 4) Sign Colston and Smith to long term deals and get it out of the way for next year. Draft: Wheel and deal like 2 years ago moving up and down the draft board in each round aquiring picks and/or players. well more down than up, please. We are not young enough or deep enough to make too many moves up the board. The OL is the only postion we are deep enough to do that with, but there are too many questions yet unanswered about the least two years of draft picks to do anything. If there is a starter in the wings, at Tackle, our best trade bait is Stinch. He is in his last year of his contract. Other than that we do not have much. any other position would hurt the team. But do not be affraid to make a move because of it. Be smart though. So go with the BPA for each and every round. Get as many picks as possible. Please try at least to get yourself into position so the defense has a chance to be that BPA. We can afford to reach once in a while. Just do not go nuts.
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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? First thing, bring charges against Jason "3rd Down" David for impersonating an NFL CB... then cut his lil' behind ... then re-work Colston's contract No to Samuel: yes to Asomugha if he isn't tagged Yes to Faneca Clark is not leaving Indy. Draft.... I like Phillips, but would have a hard time picking between him and Talib...

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? Originally Posted by SoulStar Ask Payton what he needs to bring a superbowl championship to Nawlins I'm still not so sure about that. Payton at times still exhibits symptoms of "Offenseitis": the mistaken belief that offense wins championships. So if I were GM I'd build a solid defense, make sure that we had the personnel to run the football, then go ask Coach what else he needs. So then I agree that... Then pretty much what Matthew T said, its like you read my mind there man. MatthewT has the priorities right. The Saints are going nowhere fast until the defense becomes dependable. SFIAH

01-17-2008, 08:00 AM	#8
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? Good Points SHIAH. You too Hagan. I really think Payton also depends too much on small schools. Yes, you can find "A diamond in the ruff", but jeez, at least in the late rounds pick an SEC guy.

01-17-2008, 08:27 AM	#9
Cancer Beater 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 154	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? Originally Posted by SapperSaint Good Points SHIAH. You too Hagan. I really think Payton also depends too much on small schools. Yes, you can find "A diamond in the ruff", but jeez, at least in the late rounds pick an SEC guy. It was a curse for us to have found Colston and Evans in their schools. Now, we will over-look SEC schools for more "Diamonds" in these small schools.
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01-17-2008, 08:30 AM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Your the Saints GM, what would you do this off-season??? Originally Posted by Cancer Beater I don't know how Indy can afford him. They gave Reggie Wayne, Dwight Freeny, and Bob Sanders HUGE deals. How can they pay Dallas Clark too???? Indy has already stated that if they can't come to an agreement on a contract for Dallas Clark, they're going to franchise him. He's not going anywhere. I posted this on earlier this offseason... but this is what I'd like for us to do. I'm just going to put a list of guys who I think we actually have a chance at. Albert Haynesworth and Nnamadi Asomugha are more than likely to be franchised. It would be nice if we could have either but that's just not going to happen. For the backup quarterback position, I would like us to sign Josh McCown to backup Brees. He has a big arm and capable of being a starter in this league. Should Brees ever go down, heaven forbid, I'd feel more comfortable with McCown than Martin. At running back, should we decide to not retain Deuce, these are guys would I would look at... Chris Brown, TJ Duckett, LaBrandon Toefield, Ron Dayne, and Aaron Stecker. If we aren't going to commit to letting Bush run full time back there, we need a grinder and these guys fit the bill. I was going to mention Julius Jones, but he wants to be a full time starter and that's not happening here. At receiver my main target was Crayton... but it looks like he's about to sign an extension with Dallas. Moving forward my next target would be Bryant Johnson... good size, speed, route running, and his hands aren't bad. He surely won't break bank either. I think he could surprise here in New Orleans. Other names are Andre Davis, DJ Hackett, Jabar Gaffney, and David Patten. There are some quality guys on the market that are all affordable. At tight end re-sign Billy Miller and also consider Ben Utecht of the Colts. He's also been solid there when his number was called. I'd like to see what he could do in an expanded role. At OL, the only two options that I want and realistically can get are two Steelers... Faneca and Max Starks. Bring Starks in to push Stinchcomb and Faneca could instantly be put in Nesbit's position. We would have to maulers at guard which should help Bush not becoming so hesitant to hit those holes. At center re-sign both Faine and Goodwin and let them battle it out. I'm confident Faine is just having a off year and he'll rebound next season. We have yielded the least amount of sacks this year. People here tend to think highly of Goodwin, though only two games, so re-sign him also. May the best player win. I'm not impressed with the free agent linebackers. I think Briggs is a bit overrated and being in Chicago's system definitely plays a big part in his success. I wouldn't break bank for the guy... I'm interested in finding players that can get to the quarterback and ones that have a nose for the ball. Though a restricted free agent, Michael Boley is my number one choice. Actually Dansby would be but Arizona will not let him leave... no way no how. At corner, Marcus Trufant... the guy we most Saints fans thought we were going to draft years ago. Here's our chance... we have the cap room to steal him away from the Seahawks. He would make a great option opposite Mike. As much as I do like Asante, I really do, he's going to command too much money. I've said this before that I think being in New England's scheme and playing outdoors in that environment helps him also. If we make a run for him great, I'd love to have him... but I probably would target Trufant first. This year my Rod Hood is Drayton Florence. At safety, if the organization feels we need to make a move here, my pick is Gibril Wilson. He would make a great starting safety for any team in this league. I still have faith in both Bullock and Harper, but I can understand if the team's patience in them is wearing down. At DT/DE, if we don't extend Will Smith, the obvious choice to replace him is Jared Allen. As much as I'm a Charles Grant fan, I kind of wish now we didn't re-sign him. Having Allen opposite Smith would give us that much needed pass rush. Oh well... hopefully Charles loses some weight and become a force again. Some DT's to consider are Damione Lewis and Randy Starks. Former first round bust Lewis has resurrected his career in Carolina and I think he would be a solid signing. Starks is having a down year but he's a solid tackle... and still very young. We need to get younger, stronger, and faster... these two guys fit the bill. As far as the draft is concerned, BPA is all I have to say. Whether it's a corner, WR, LB, DT, OL, whatever... take whoever is rated highest on our board. As far as specific players I would like to have, Quentin Groves is a favorite of mines. Dan Connor is as solid as they come and some already know how much I like this guy... been on him since the beginning of last year. Cason/Jenkins are two guys at corner I'm sure we all would love to have. Not really enamored with any DT's as of yet, Glen Dorsey is out of our reach, but I'll have a better feel for them as workouts come. That was 2 or 3 weeks ago and there are some players I'd like to add. Talib CB from Kansas, Corey Williams DT from Green Bay, Sedrick Ellis if he's there at 10, Pat Sim and Dre Moore if we pass on Ellis in the first with our second pick. We really need to address getting a pass rushing specialist this offseason. We cannot continue to rush 4 guys with Smith only being the effective one. Get an edge speed rusher and move Grant inside on third downs. As I said up there, I think Groves can be that guy. One more thing if we take a kicker in the draft, that guys needs to be Brandon Coutu. This kid has one hell of a leg. 60 yarders for this kid would be a cake walk.
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