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Old 02-08-2008, 03:17 PM   #21
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Re: DE evaluation

Champ Bailey and Dre Bly... need I elaborate? Worry about the front 7 first.
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:19 PM   #22
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Champ Bailey and Dre Bly... need I elaborate? Worry about the front 7 first.

Bingo! Same with the Giants.

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Old 02-08-2008, 03:38 PM   #23
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ummm good point? but our d line is much better than the broncos...and they flat out suck....they still had better defense against the pass than us so whats your point?
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:06 PM   #24
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The point is that you can have all the stud corners you want and it wouldn't mean squat unless you solidify your front 7. I guess I should have made myself more clear.
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:18 PM   #25
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Passion,

Didn't intend it to make it sound like I was being a smart , I just don't see a CB making as big of an impact as a DT or LB. LB is my first choice. There is always a chance Ellis or Dorsey could fall in our lap. Stranger thing have happened.

Don't mistake me not jumping on JD as a sign of me "favoring" him. I am a very BIG HATER of Mare and Jason David. I have been on David's case since the Indy game. So yes, I agree with you that our CB's suck big time and we need some serious help in that position. I just think we can get that in the second and third round. I am no MM fan either. I agree with Hagan, we he said the Saints is a old timers home for defensive players.

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Old 02-08-2008, 04:41 PM   #26
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its kool sapper..yea well listen....honestly...i want keith rivers for our 1st round....but only if we get Samuel or Trufant...but i would love to get Sedrick Ellis...in my opinion and many other peoples....Sedrick Ellis is better than Dorsey...Dorsey just has all the hype....Ellis is 5 times more athletic and he makes plays....he is a better natural pass rusher than dorsey....but look...i honestly think if we can get a good corner in FA we cant go wrong with drafting a DT or LB....but i love Rivers athleticism...he is going to be a man in the NFL when he bulks up a bit...im not impressed too much with Dan Connor though....i mean he is good but no comparison with Rivers....After seeing Dan Connor get launched on his back by Matt Forte I was not impressed....and he does lack speed..... i just want this to happen for the saints... an upgrade to Jason David....and any other defensive players chosen in the draft will make me happy.....im a true saints fan and have been a saints fan all my life and am just tired of putting up with mediocre defenses when we have such a talented offense...you think someone would make a change by now....if Jason David is starting next year im going to become a hornets fan...lol
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Old 02-08-2008, 06:58 PM   #27
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Trust me when I say passion, that it used to be a total reverse, when Mora Senior was at the helm. All defense, and mediocre offense, and I would put the front seven from that time, up against any high powered offense. I agree that CB needs to be addressed, but you brought up an interesting point about the DTs impact in the first season. How much of an impact can a rookie CB make against star receivers, in their first year?

All I'm saying is, that we should take our gambles on CBs in FA, or in the later rounds of the draft. Shore up the front seven in the first three rounds, unless they get an impact DT, or LB in FA. I just don't share alot of people's optimism, with the abilities of our front four. What was our turnover differentium this past season? It wasn't very good, if I remember correctly, and turnovers start with the line. Qb's make more mistakes when they are running for their life. Tom Brady proved that in the superbowl, and he is what I would call an "elite" quarterback.

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Old 02-08-2008, 07:22 PM   #28
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umm..ok.. how many rookie cornerbacks did good this year? quite a bit... how many DTs racked up on sacks?? yea thats what i thought... lets see..Aron Ross ..rookie CB starter on giants.... leon hall had like 5 picks... a DT cant just pick up the center and get to the qb every play....you realize a cornerback can get beat every play.... which is way more critical if a cornerback gets beat than if a DT gets beat.... if a DT gets owned by a center...nothing happens if its a pass except more time for qb...if a CB gets burned it can allow big plays to happen....which is why it is more critical for us to focus on a CB first.... because ours suck ass...and you act like glenn dorsey is a freaking god or something are u kidding me...hes so overrated....ever taken a look at ellis? hes better...but wont be pushing centers around like you think... ok main point....who would make a bigger impact next season.... sedrick ellis with jason david. or Mike Jenkins with Bryant young?>?? ok we all know the answer therefore you are wrong...and you agree with me too...
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Old 02-08-2008, 07:50 PM   #29
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Tackle to Tackle is where football games are won . The closer to the ball you play the more important you are , Always take the good big man because GOD did'nt make that many of them . Denver has a pretty damn good pair of starting Cbs (Bailey and Bly) they finished 28th in scoring Def. I would rather invest in front seven talent than overpay a CB FA. The NFL is moving to more wide open passing game and rule changes have made it much harder for CBs to have great impact on the game . I am not saying that you do'nt need good CBs . What I am saying is that a fierce pass rush is more effective at stopping today's NFL offenses than a Great CB
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Old 02-09-2008, 04:36 PM   #30
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ok but you dont understand...we wouldnt be having the conversation if Jason David sucked so bad....if we had another mike mckenzie no one would care about getting a CB.....you dont understand how ****ty David is...i dont care what you say about the front 7....sedrick ellis wont make jason david not get burnt every play..ok....our line is not as bad at denvers either as i already said....so your saying will smith and charles grant suck>? ok good job you dont know anything
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