Not quite time to panic

LordOfEntropy · 03-02-2008, 09:37 AM

Damn, that's a scary thought. JD cannot be a starter. Please God. I can't take another season of watching powdered toast man being made fun of by the entire league.

CheramieIII · 03-02-2008, 09:37 AM

I would have to agree Bob that we will probably trade for a CB before the draft considering we are interested in Hall and Sheppard and maybe every other cornerback in the league that any team will listen to trade offers for.

cajunasian61 · 03-02-2008, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Maybe Payton is gun shy.

Here's the big 4 from last year- David, KK, Mare and Simmons. Toast, bench, and cut X 2.

On the other hand Patten, Thomas, Clancy and Johnson were serviceable.

I wouldn't feel so bad about free agency if I knew which draft Payton is going to have: Year 1 A+, Year 2 C-

Year 1 was an A, but I would have to say that year 2 was an F as of right now. We got nobody and traded up to get a running back tat got cut after preseason. As good as the 1st draft was the last draft was that much worse. I would be satisfied with something in the middle this year.

Analysis

Year 1:
1st round: Reggie Bush - could be great if used properly
Round 2 - Roman Harper - could be better 2 yrs removed from ACL. Jury is still out
Round 4 - Jahri Evans - Great pick. Our best offensive lineman in my opinion
Round 5 - Rob Ninkovich - Could have been good but too many injuries
Round 6 - Josh Lay - Is he still on the practice squad?
Round 6 - Zach Strief - solid backup
Round 7 - you know who!
We also traded for Faine, Simoneau, and Hollis ondraft day (which is really what made this draft so excellent)

Year 2:

Round 1 - Robert Meachem - all I can do is hope, but I think that may just be unrealistic optimism
Round 3 - Usama Young - Did not look impressive last year
Round 3 - Andy Alleman -Barely played
Round 4 - Antonio Pittman - Traded up for him and then cut him
Round 4 -Jermon Bushrod - never played
Round 5 - David Jones -didnt even notice him in preseason (try drafting someone from an actual college)
Round 7 - Marvin Mitchell - looks like he will be a solid special teamer (maybe we should justt draft 7th rounders)

cajunasian61 · 03-02-2008, 10:34 AM

Thats 7 starters from 2006. 0 so far from 2007

CheramieIII · 03-02-2008, 10:36 AM

and I have a feeling we are going to rely on the draft to fill the rest of our holes and it ain't going to happen.

If you think we'll go 6-10 and we actual go 7-9 does that feel like a win to you?

winmill1 · 03-02-2008, 10:53 AM

We should take the picks and the money we offered for Shockey and go get a premiere corner.

andersen · 03-02-2008, 11:00 AM

Rookie cornerback? Most QB's drool over that the night before. Need a lockdown man corner with this defense.

CheramieIII · 03-02-2008, 11:08 AM

Most teams are already looking at our secondary and laughing hysterically because they know all they have to do is throw the ball and they'll win. That's why our run defense didn't look so bad last year, everyone was passing us to death.

Euphoria · 03-02-2008, 11:17 AM

CB isn't the answer! There is this thing called a "pass rush" and unless you can get one going you will suck. You wanna win games, impose your will on the opposing team's offense. Even the best of CB's will get burned if you give a QB all day to wait until his WR do get open. Address the front 7 and you'll start to improve. I can't name not one secondary person for the Giants off the top of my head but I sure do know what that front 7 did to the Pats.

lsutigerfan · 03-02-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

CB isn't the answer! There is this thing called a "pass rush" and unless you can get one going you will suck. You wanna win games, impose your will on the opposing team's offense. Even the best of CB's will get burned if you give a QB all day to wait until his WR do get open. Address the front 7 and you'll start to improve. I can't name not one secondary person for the Giants off the top of my head but I sure do know what that front 7 did to the Pats.

must not be an LSU fan other wise you would know who Corey webster is.

03-02-2008, 09:37 AM	#11
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Not quite time to panic Damn, that's a scary thought. JD cannot be a starter. Please God. I can't take another season of watching powdered toast man being made fun of by the entire league.

03-02-2008, 09:37 AM	#12
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Not quite time to panic I would have to agree Bob that we will probably trade for a CB before the draft considering we are interested in Hall and Sheppard and maybe every other cornerback in the league that any team will listen to trade offers for.

03-02-2008, 10:31 AM	#13
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: Not quite time to panic Originally Posted by ScottF Maybe Payton is gun shy. Here's the big 4 from last year- David, KK, Mare and Simmons. Toast, bench, and cut X 2. On the other hand Patten, Thomas, Clancy and Johnson were serviceable. I wouldn't feel so bad about free agency if I knew which draft Payton is going to have: Year 1 A+, Year 2 C- Year 1 was an A, but I would have to say that year 2 was an F as of right now. We got nobody and traded up to get a running back tat got cut after preseason. As good as the 1st draft was the last draft was that much worse. I would be satisfied with something in the middle this year. Analysis Year 1: 1st round: Reggie Bush - could be great if used properly Round 2 - Roman Harper - could be better 2 yrs removed from ACL. Jury is still out Round 4 - Jahri Evans - Great pick. Our best offensive lineman in my opinion Round 5 - Rob Ninkovich - Could have been good but too many injuries Round 6 - Josh Lay - Is he still on the practice squad? Round 6 - Zach Strief - solid backup Round 7 - you know who! We also traded for Faine, Simoneau, and Hollis ondraft day (which is really what made this draft so excellent) Year 2: Round 1 - Robert Meachem - all I can do is hope, but I think that may just be unrealistic optimism Round 3 - Usama Young - Did not look impressive last year Round 3 - Andy Alleman -Barely played Round 4 - Antonio Pittman - Traded up for him and then cut him Round 4 -Jermon Bushrod - never played Round 5 - David Jones -didnt even notice him in preseason (try drafting someone from an actual college) Round 7 - Marvin Mitchell - looks like he will be a solid special teamer (maybe we should justt draft 7th rounders)

03-02-2008, 10:34 AM	#14
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: Not quite time to panic Thats 7 starters from 2006. 0 so far from 2007

03-02-2008, 10:36 AM	#15
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Not quite time to panic and I have a feeling we are going to rely on the draft to fill the rest of our holes and it ain't going to happen. If you think we'll go 6-10 and we actual go 7-9 does that feel like a win to you?

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03-02-2008, 11:08 AM	#18
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Not quite time to panic Most teams are already looking at our secondary and laughing hysterically because they know all they have to do is throw the ball and they'll win. That's why our run defense didn't look so bad last year, everyone was passing us to death.

03-02-2008, 11:17 AM	#19
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Not quite time to panic CB isn't the answer! There is this thing called a "pass rush" and unless you can get one going you will suck. You wanna win games, impose your will on the opposing team's offense. Even the best of CB's will get burned if you give a QB all day to wait until his WR do get open. Address the front 7 and you'll start to improve. I can't name not one secondary person for the Giants off the top of my head but I sure do know what that front 7 did to the Pats.
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03-02-2008, 11:26 AM	#20
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Not quite time to panic Originally Posted by Euphoria CB isn't the answer! There is this thing called a "pass rush" and unless you can get one going you will suck. You wanna win games, impose your will on the opposing team's offense. Even the best of CB's will get burned if you give a QB all day to wait until his WR do get open. Address the front 7 and you'll start to improve. I can't name not one secondary person for the Giants off the top of my head but I sure do know what that front 7 did to the Pats. must not be an LSU fan other wise you would know who Corey webster is.