Which new player will have the biggest impact

LordOfEntropy · 03-06-2008, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Last, but not least....we need a safety!!!! Harper has played fairly well, but the rest are atrocious!!!!!!

Hear hear! If and when we upgrade FS, then I'll vote for that as the one position to make the most impact.

cgctobe · 03-06-2008, 10:26 AM

This is a no brainer.....McCray without a doubt!! He will get after the QB on a regular basis and the secondary instantly becomes good. Other teams converting on 3rd down will soon be a thing of the past people. Bank on it!

BooBirdSaint · 03-06-2008, 01:48 PM

Vilma b/c ESPN insider headlines say so. Only I'm to cheap to pay for insider so I don't know what they are saying. Can anyone who ain't cheap post the story so I can validate my support for Vilma?

pakowitz · 03-06-2008, 05:57 PM

all i seen on espn

VilmaJonathan Vilma, MLB, New Orleans Saints
If healthy, Vilma is exactly what the Saints need. He is ultra-competitive, tenacious and a natural leader on the field. He has great range and is a playmaker with some of the aggressive traits that have served his fellow Miami alums so well in the NFL. New Orleans did not have a defensive identity or a leader who made everyone accountable last season, but it does now with Vilma. The Saints would be wise to add another big body at defensive tackle to help protect the undersized middle linebacker, and it is still unclear how well the 25-year-old has recovered from a knee injury, but this is the type of move that can quickly turn around a defense. New Orleans has a good chance to win the NFC South next year, and Vilma is a major reason why. The Saints got better in a hurry on defense, and without pressing needs on offense they are in a position to further bolster that unit on draft day.

hagan714 · 03-06-2008, 08:06 PM

If he can start opening day. But I am doubting it. Morgan is our insurance policy if Vilma can not go

gandhi1007 · 03-07-2008, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Morgan is our insurance policy if Vilma can not go

That is scary. So....our insurance policy for Vilma is a guy that's missed nearly half the games in his career because he's had more concussions than a crash test dummy? I think Vilma will be ready to go. Hell....I hope he'll be ready to go. I've always liked Vilma. He's got heart & good work ethic. Of course....supposedly, so does Morgan. He's just...uhmmm...brittle.

beauchristopher · 03-07-2008, 04:16 AM

Vilma will be comeback player of the year since Brees should of been in 06'.. Pennington sucks. This would be great payback. Not that anyone cares about meaningless awards.. ha.

LordOfEntropy · 03-07-2008, 07:16 AM

Missile, you summed up my viewpoint exactly.

hagan714 · 03-07-2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Hear hear! If and when we upgrade FS, then I'll vote for that as the one position to make the most impact.

Talbid is the FS in round 1, IMO. Then Carlson followed by Phillips. This year draft is loaded with tweeners.

LordOfEntropy · 03-07-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

This year draft is loaded with tweeners.

I've heard others talking about moving Talbid over, saying he'd be a good fit at FS. But I haven't watched any of his play myself, and so I can't say. I trust your read on it though.

Realistically, do you think we have a good chance of trading down? Personally, I think we're in perfect position. I know teams sometimes shy away from the top 10 picks, because of the risk associated with such costly contracts, and the massive hits to salary caps. But I think at about 10, things start to be come more manageable, teams become more willing, so we might be able to pull this trade off.

So I'm thinking -
1) trade down in the first round towards the bottom, and use that pick to get Phillips. KK stays as a backup, but Bullocks gets put on the trading block.
2) use the additional pick to get a replacement for Shanle.

Doing so would solve the two worst problems on the team (IMO), but still leave us with 2nd and 3rd rounders to draft best available talent.

Fantasy land?

View Poll Results: which player will have the biggest impact
Jonathan Vilma - LB	53	72.60%
Randall Gay - DB	10	13.70%
Bobby McCray - DL	9	12.33%
Dan Morgan - LB	1	1.37%
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03-06-2008, 09:16 AM	#21
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Last, but not least....we need a safety!!!! Harper has played fairly well, but the rest are atrocious!!!!!! Hear hear! If and when we upgrade FS, then I'll vote for that as the one position to make the most impact.

03-06-2008, 10:26 AM	#22
cgctobe 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 114	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact This is a no brainer.....McCray without a doubt!! He will get after the QB on a regular basis and the secondary instantly becomes good. Other teams converting on 3rd down will soon be a thing of the past people. Bank on it!
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03-06-2008, 01:48 PM	#23
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 264	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact Vilma b/c ESPN insider headlines say so. Only I'm to cheap to pay for insider so I don't know what they are saying. Can anyone who ain't cheap post the story so I can validate my support for Vilma?

03-06-2008, 05:57 PM	#24
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact all i seen on espn VilmaJonathan Vilma, MLB, New Orleans Saints If healthy, Vilma is exactly what the Saints need. He is ultra-competitive, tenacious and a natural leader on the field. He has great range and is a playmaker with some of the aggressive traits that have served his fellow Miami alums so well in the NFL. New Orleans did not have a defensive identity or a leader who made everyone accountable last season, but it does now with Vilma. The Saints would be wise to add another big body at defensive tackle to help protect the undersized middle linebacker, and it is still unclear how well the 25-year-old has recovered from a knee injury, but this is the type of move that can quickly turn around a defense. New Orleans has a good chance to win the NFC South next year, and Vilma is a major reason why. The Saints got better in a hurry on defense, and without pressing needs on offense they are in a position to further bolster that unit on draft day.
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03-06-2008, 08:06 PM	#25
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact If he can start opening day. But I am doubting it. Morgan is our insurance policy if Vilma can not go

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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact Originally Posted by hagan714 Morgan is our insurance policy if Vilma can not go That is scary. So....our insurance policy for Vilma is a guy that's missed nearly half the games in his career because he's had more concussions than a crash test dummy? I think Vilma will be ready to go. Hell....I hope he'll be ready to go. I've always liked Vilma. He's got heart & good work ethic. Of course....supposedly, so does Morgan. He's just...uhmmm...brittle.

03-07-2008, 04:16 AM	#27
beauchristopher 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 227	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact Vilma will be comeback player of the year since Brees should of been in 06'.. Pennington sucks. This would be great payback. Not that anyone cares about meaningless awards.. ha.

03-07-2008, 07:16 AM	#28
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact Missile, you summed up my viewpoint exactly.

03-07-2008, 07:49 AM	#29
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Hear hear! If and when we upgrade FS, then I'll vote for that as the one position to make the most impact. Talbid is the FS in round 1, IMO. Then Carlson followed by Phillips. This year draft is loaded with tweeners.

03-07-2008, 11:47 AM	#30
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Which new player will have the biggest impact Originally Posted by hagan714 This year draft is loaded with tweeners. I've heard others talking about moving Talbid over, saying he'd be a good fit at FS. But I haven't watched any of his play myself, and so I can't say. I trust your read on it though. Realistically, do you think we have a good chance of trading down? Personally, I think we're in perfect position. I know teams sometimes shy away from the top 10 picks, because of the risk associated with such costly contracts, and the massive hits to salary caps. But I think at about 10, things start to be come more manageable, teams become more willing, so we might be able to pull this trade off. So I'm thinking - 1) trade down in the first round towards the bottom, and use that pick to get Phillips. KK stays as a backup, but Bullocks gets put on the trading block. 2) use the additional pick to get a replacement for Shanle. Doing so would solve the two worst problems on the team (IMO), but still leave us with 2nd and 3rd rounders to draft best available talent. Fantasy land?
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